This will make or break our summer , i still belive it will happen but its got me worried how long its taking. Anyway we have Zidane hes got our backs !
Frenkie de Jong | The last muppeting lap
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Barca are, of course, bald faced liars. If Lewandowski joined them it's because they offered more money than us, not less. It's that simple.
And there's nothing wrong with that either. But according to Barca PR, players always take a wage cut to join them, always. Because, let's be honest, the honour of playing for this great club is compensation in itself.
Kind of a difficult narrative to hold on to when your club is on the brink of collapse due to the height of your wage bill, but they're holding on to it no less
Its almost like North Korean level of PR.
I have something against sneaky cnuts pretending she rules his life just so they can stick up photos of her.
I know we're eventually gonna get Frenkie.
Still, it's tiresome.
Even when we do sign him it's going to be an anticlimax.
The feeling is already a bit ......meh.....
Still, it's tiresome.
Even when we do sign him it's going to be an anticlimax.
The feeling is already a bit ......meh.....
Yes. Second half
Dont be poking fun at his sister.
Who are you kidding? Wives rule.
Very good, that will have him much closer to full fitnes for the Brighton game.
Yep, in the second half, but they played him in defence…
Pleading the Fontaine defence. The last recurse of the uninspiredThis phone. Ffs
Btw, Sport is essentially still a fanzine and is historically close to Laporta so yeah, take everything they write through that prism
Fixed for you.
That's what I mean. If that is our stance, to expect him to just change his mind and walk away from the money, then it's ridiculous like I said.
Sure it's been answered and is probably a stupid question but why can't United subtract the amount from the fee and just pay De Jong the 17 mil.
Interesting. If that’s not a message I don’t know what is….. thanks chaps!
Even more reason to buy him, he can play defence
Agreed. We should strive to be like them.
De Jong CB Martinez DM lets goEven more reason to buy him, he can pay defence
Because they can't do that without the agreement of Barcelona?
Maybe we can pay pique's wages too?
No serious though...I'm not sure tbh. Maybe Barca being as cheeky as they are want is to pay his wages without reducing agreed figure
Ja ja Ja! United revolution! Frenkie in defense, Lisandro at CM, Scott as striker and Fred at LBEven more reason to buy him, he can pay defence
If Barca have any hope of selling at his current price then they can't do anything that will drive down his price. Perhaps they'd try again next summer, but they will need to play him regularly (which I think they will) to keep his value up.
He probably played CB yesterday because Barca basically had all of the ball and he was dictating play. He still played practically in the opponents half. If they continue to play him there then I would tend to agree that they're making it difficult for him, but he wasn't playing a typical CB role last night.
Probably because Barca will want the agreed fee and not 17m less, else they could pay De Jong themselves.
Delete that picture pal... Barca execs will be on to you ASAP! They don't need their "lever" being exposed! hahaNew lever.
Money printing machine lever
It is almost like they've got a direct link to some dodgy lender where they get on the phone and say "Just do me €50m real quick will pay it back when we can"
I'm sure that could be arranged. However, Barca simply wants the extra 17 million for themselves.
Ah, I see. Yep I agree that I am growing increasingly sceptical it'll happen. I guess it depends how eager Barcelona genuinely are in wanting him out of the club. They've taken on loads of players this summer who won't be playing for a pittance. They still owe Pique huge sums as well. I wouldn't be surprised if they were hoping we'd cough up more to cover De Jong's owed wages. Feels like a game of chicken at the moment.
Come on Frenkie, the disrespect!
What is the Dutch for major shit show?
Apparently we can't due to tax reasons or something. It seems to be more complicated than just paying off De Jong, although I don't see how it would be a problem if we just remove 17 mill from the transfer fee and give FDJ a 17 mill signing on fee.
The whole situation smells a bit fishy, considering we've agreed a fee with Barca a week ago and yet he's still on tour playing minutes.
I keep seeing that mentioned, but is there another source? As far as I know, only this guy mentioned it, and only once
Rafael van der Vaart
I imagine it would need FDJ to contractually agree to not receiving the deferred wages, knowing that he would then get an extra €17million signing on fee from United.
However, this just sounds like a logistic nightmare from a legal POV. Can’t imagine it working and we’re talking about a silly amount of money moving around and from different parties.
The only way this is solved is if Barcelona pay him outright what he owed so he moves on, or FDJ takes a pay cut to stay.
Edit: Barcelona would also need to agree to taking €17million less guaranteed, which messes up their FFP.
I get that he's a top class midfield, and if ETH is this keen on getting him, then we are absolutely right to be pushing.
That said, is he so good that we essentially right off all other options who could fill the massive void that's been left by both Pogba & Matic leaving this summer?
Even with Eriksen, our midfield options are phenomenally weak compared to pretty much every top half club in the league.
There have been excellent bargains in the midfield market this summer (Bissouma the stand-out deal), and there are others clearly to be had (Tielemans).
By the time we end up looking elsewhere, it's going to be pretty slim pickings.
That said, is he so good that we essentially right off all other options who could fill the massive void that's been left by both Pogba & Matic leaving this summer?
Even with Eriksen, our midfield options are phenomenally weak compared to pretty much every top half club in the league.
There have been excellent bargains in the midfield market this summer (Bissouma the stand-out deal), and there are others clearly to be had (Tielemans).
By the time we end up looking elsewhere, it's going to be pretty slim pickings.
Why would barca agree?
Sadly both of them options at the moment seem to be none movers. Barca just don't want to pay him what he wants and de Jong refuses to take a pay cut again.
Hence the stalemate at the moment. It's a case of who blinks first and crumbles
It's the fact that we've agreed a fee already though, including us paying an extra 10m euros up front, which makes me think we won't throw any more money at this. I wouldn't be sure we even have the money to pay them the extra 17m euros + bonuses he believes he is owed. I read somewhere that the total that de Jong may be owed is probably closer to 30m euros! That isn't a situation that will be resolved in the near future.
The problem is he's not technically owed anything. FDJ sees it as him being owed, but technically he agreed for a cut in his salary providing he get's an increase in his salary later on, now Barcelona is trying to get rid of him before the increase is activated.
According to Capology Lewandowskis salary is 360K weekly gross until jun 30th which equals 56m for three years. That being said Lewandowski didn't go to Barca for the wage. It surely won't last forever but as long as Barca wants to play the possession game I think it will remain THE club players want to play for.
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