It's a stalemate and there is nothing united can do at this moment to resolve the issue. Wait and hope, or walk away.
Frenkie de Jong | The last muppeting lap
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No, that's why he'll be turfed out on a big money loss within a couple of years. If a player doesn't want to come and is this adamant that they don't fancy it, it's best we move on.
Just been listening to Graham Hunter and the issue is Barca's wage bill, and how much they need to force the issue with FDJ. Do any of our experts in here know the scale of Barca's wage problem, and do they have a strict deadline, as to when they need to comply with La Liga, in order to register their new signings?
I still don't believe FDJ wants to come, but how much pressure will they exert on him - do they have alternative options should FDJ stay i.e. will moving on likes of Depay, Aubmanyeng and Braithwaite suffice in terms of wage cutting exercise??
I still don't believe FDJ wants to come, but how much pressure will they exert on him - do they have alternative options should FDJ stay i.e. will moving on likes of Depay, Aubmanyeng and Braithwaite suffice in terms of wage cutting exercise??
I'm wondering if de Jong was included on the tour to drive home that he's not going to be a full on starter anymore. He might get a few minutes but thats it. Or nothing at all. I'm wondering if they hope it'll break him down a little and cause him to soften his stance on wage payments.
Pure opinion of mine though
Pure opinion of mine though
Second lever activated, if it has any relevance we will see.
course that would only make you more motivated to prove them wrong wouldn’t it once you got over it…I’d be worried if he was a Barca academy product but he’s not…coming to his ex manager…it might hurt ok but not as much as going anywhere else on many levels
This muppet doesn't even have a blue tick?
I love how they all look so calm and happy about signing the future of the club away
Ducker reiterated this morning it's the wage issue that's the problem:
Oriol Domenech mentions De Jong at the moment refusing to leave but in a follow up tweet mentions 2yrs worth of deferred wages being an issue.
"Welcome to Barca. We are more than a club. We are family. Family help each other fnancially. We will cut your wages by 50%. Thank you for your contribution"
Look I get Barca’s financial situation and I buy that they really need him off the wage books. However if that is true then I can’t explain why Barca aren’t trying to freeze him out.
I know the optimists here keep going on about “he’s Barca’s player” and “they have every right to take him on tour” and they’re right, but it looks like the onus is on Barca to force him out of the club.
If they are serious about doing so. They have to take harsh measures like leaving him off the tour like they did Brathwaite and the likes, they have to threaten to not let him train with the first team all year.
In short - they have to act like there’s no future for FdJ at Barca. The fact that they’re not doing that makes me a bit less confident in this happening. Makes me think they might find a way to come to some sort of resolution without selling FdJ - maybe sell other players, maybe get some wage cuts across the board or do some other financial feckery to make it work.
I wish this happens, I really do, but I think people are putting too much faith in “assurances” that might just be hints and backup options rather than a proper desire to join. And I also think some people are putting ETH on a bit of a pedestal. Maybe he’s just a bit blinded by the faint possibility of FdJ joining that he doesn’t wanna give it up. Or maybe he’s being a bit pigheaded too - top level coaches are known to be that at times like Jose and Pep as well.
Also wish Barca were more forceful with forcing him out like other clubs have been towards players in the past. It’s on them to force him out, he’s clearly not gonna go willingly.
Status quo then
Is there any logical explanation/assumption or at least a good theory why De Jong and his agency need to say that they want to remain at Barcelona, even if he really wants to leave?
I do not get how this supposedly strong stance is going to bring benefits in the wages owed. If his camp let the journalists know that if he gets fully paid the deferred wages he is going to leave to United, otherwise he is happily sitting on the current agreed contract in Barcelona, wouldn't that be better for everyone who doesn't have a clue what is going on and try to assume things? I believe that then the media would pressure Barcelona even more about the wages thing (providing that this is the case).
I do not get how this supposedly strong stance is going to bring benefits in the wages owed. If his camp let the journalists know that if he gets fully paid the deferred wages he is going to leave to United, otherwise he is happily sitting on the current agreed contract in Barcelona, wouldn't that be better for everyone who doesn't have a clue what is going on and try to assume things? I believe that then the media would pressure Barcelona even more about the wages thing (providing that this is the case).
If that's the case though it just doesn't make sense. Barcelona are paying him even more money the longer this goes on. He will pick up almost 1m in wages on this tour alone and god knows how much it will be if it goes until the end of Aug.
He loves Barce, he's just bought a £5m house for him and his fiance I think the appeal of United is near zero. The only thing going for us is the 'well we wouldn't chase him for 2 months if he didn't say he would join'........yeah ive seen enough of United in the past 8 years to see exactly that happening.
Why would he or his representatives give us assurances he is willing to come? What do they have to gain from that? A new contract? The only new contract he is getting offered from Barca would be a massive reduction.
So either:
- We have spoke, he has said "no" and we are still pursuing him.
- We haven't spoke after all this time, and we have no idea if he will come, which means we are either still negotiating a fee with Barca or we have agreed a few but just refuse to offer him terms.
- We have spoke, he has said he will come, but he is not leaving his €17m on the table and him and Barca are locked in a game of chicken to see who will pay/walk away first.
Here is a very elaborate thread about Barca money issues.
I can not attach media yet.
Staff and Mods should at least make me a full member after this
.It opens even some lids on United finances.
Very good read.
Here is the link...
Add h before the ttps to get the full link, then post it here.
ttps://twitter.com/SwissRamble/status/1548917012021145606?t=ESho3EBhm0Tmmf__vbvZqQ&s=19
Do you mean relevance as in, they can then pay off FDJ in order to make him leave and therefore get the £60m ish from United?
Actually regarding Fabregas saga, I still remember back then many people saying along the same lines, that we won’t pursue the signings had we not receive positive response from Fabreags camp, and hence the deal would eventually realized.
That's sort of what I was inferring yes.
Because nothing has changed, he would like to stay on his current deal, Barca say that’s impossible.
No solution has been found.
So how is this news? It’s exactly the same info we had 6 weeks ago.
I believe he's been paid what he's owed but he signed a contract that lowered his pay for the past two years but raised it for the next two years to compensate. If he leaves now he essentially doesn't get the compensation for taking a wage cut over the past two years.
I have to hand it to you. You are the ultimate FDJ muppet.
Graham Hunter is a Barcelona fan and is saying that it’s mostly FDJ fault because he wants to prove himself as a top player at Barcelona because As I previously suggested, he’s not exactly been brilliant whilst playing there. The club see him is the most logical sellable asset for raising funds and reducing a bloated wage bill.
Barcelona are signing new players with the draw of playing for Barcelona, yes they are paying quite high transfer fees and agents fees but even Lewandowski has signed on for a rumoured €17m Euros per season or a pay cut from Bayern. I would not be surprised if players like Kessie and Christensen have signed on .€6m per season and Raphina €8m. Why are they doing this, simple new Uefa FFP is demanding that by season 24/25 a club can only spend 70% of their total revenue on wages, transfer and agent fees. Barcelona during the Messi days we’re paying 110%, which is why they are in so much financial trouble today.
The club simply want him gone as he’s on €22M per season going forward for the next three seasons and they want to change their wage structure, With only Busquets, Lewandowski and Dembele near that wage. They just don’t want him which is what Graham Hunter reported, because after their diabolical season last year, they can’t justify his wage or place in the team. Their request for paying his deferred payments owed from his reduced salary to contract of £18m being paid by then over 3 years, he wants it one instalment. It’s going to get nasty in the next two weeks because they can not register any player until they sell him.
Well Barca can't just decide to lower his wages unless he agrees to it, which he won't. They have a legally bindning contract just like any employer/employee, and the terms must be met unless BOTH parties agrees to a revision. The fact that Barcelona seems to be splashing cash around them buying lots of new players sends a pretty shitty message to De Jong.
That's my understanding too. I think he's well within his right to demand that money, although he's probably not legally owed it if he restructured the contract in that way.
Thats exactly the case. If he plays out the entire contract the big boosts in wages over the coming years are supposed to be a form of compensation for the wage reductions YoY.
Barca don't actually owe him a "debt", he's currently being paid as per his contract. Barca are trying to sell him to get out of those massive upcoming wages and FDJ is seeing this as "lost wages". Which is where a payout deal is supposed to be the sticking point if he leaves.
This thread is absolutely mental; you love to see it 
Scenario 1 and 2 make no sense at all and would be a pointless waste of time all round. Scenario 3 is where we're at right now
I think there’s a secret fourth option people aren’t considering. Frenkie knows Barca are trying to force him out or take a big pay cut, so even though he doesn’t wanna leave - he hints to his ex manager that he might be willing to join him if he’s forced to leave. All the while he privately wants to fight tooth and nail to stay at Barca. It gives him an out in case Barca really do something drastic like try to freeze him out but at the end he doesn’t wanna leave and has no intention of leaving.
So unless Barca actually freeze him out - no training with the team, no pre season, no game time, he fancies just staying knowing at some point in the season someone will get injured, he’ll get a chance (cos Barca can’t afford to keep someone they’re paying so much to on the sidelines forever) and he backs himself to become a regular there again and see this out.
I'd say there have been saga threads more mentalThis thread is absolutely mental; you love to see it
No I'm afraid that honour goes to @Berbaclass. He is the ultimate king muppet
There is already evidence of this with Timber and Brobbey to a degree. In for both players, realized it won't happen and promptly walked away to pursue other targets.
Not to mention we've signed three players (and agreed on the fee for the FDJ deal) already, it's not like we've been doing nothing.
Lock the thread for a couple of weeks, nothing will happen. More of the same repetition. This will take another month until we have some movement, if at all.
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