This isn't happening. I had a semi once upon a time but it's over. We need to move on.
Frenkie de Jong | The last muppeting lap
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Because FdJ is not in a hurry.
Are we sure the impression given was his basic salary when signing was €22M and covid then broke out, where a €9m and €12m from that basic salary was deferred over the duration of the remainder of his 5 year contract in which case if this is true, the player would be paid €29 per season for next three years and you wonder why they want him out and he’s digging his heals in, I really think this is nearer to the truth and if so why on earth did United get involved in such a mess in the first place, If Klopp or Pep wanted him, the owners would soon explain to both managers why this transfer was never happening.
The thing for United is that the alternatives people are suggesting - players like Tielemans or Neves - are not only big drop offs in terms of quality, but they look like they'll be available late into the transfer window. For me it makes sense to leave this as long as possible before cutting our losses.
If we were at risk of losing out on players from other clubs, it would be different. But as it stands the only problems we face are a slightly disrupted pre-season and egg on our face. Not ideal, but not the end of the world.
It feels like Barcelona are desperate to get rid of FDJ. If he stays, Barca lose out on the transfer fee and the wages saved and still have to pay the deferred amount. So Barca are strongly incentivised to come up with a compromise with FDJ. Its better for them to just pay him the deferred amount and then sell him, since they're paying it in any case.
It also seems that, if he's pushed out, he'd come to United. He can't be forced to leave but he might find himself with vastly reduced playing time and end up being sold next summer anyway, having lost a year of his career. Or worse, he might see next to no football and lose his form by the time the world cup comes around. Whether he stays or he leaves, this isnt really what he wants.
Overall it feels like the deck is stacked in favour of the move happening. We obviously want it, Barcelona really want it and while FDJ doesn't, he probably also doesn't want the realistic alternative, sitting on the bench for a year before being sold anyway. My guess is United see it this way and are happy to let it play out for another couple of weeks before moving away. As long as they leave themselves time to get a replacement before 1st Sept, I think they're playing a difficult situation well.
If we were at risk of losing out on players from other clubs, it would be different. But as it stands the only problems we face are a slightly disrupted pre-season and egg on our face. Not ideal, but not the end of the world.
It feels like Barcelona are desperate to get rid of FDJ. If he stays, Barca lose out on the transfer fee and the wages saved and still have to pay the deferred amount. So Barca are strongly incentivised to come up with a compromise with FDJ. Its better for them to just pay him the deferred amount and then sell him, since they're paying it in any case.
It also seems that, if he's pushed out, he'd come to United. He can't be forced to leave but he might find himself with vastly reduced playing time and end up being sold next summer anyway, having lost a year of his career. Or worse, he might see next to no football and lose his form by the time the world cup comes around. Whether he stays or he leaves, this isnt really what he wants.
Overall it feels like the deck is stacked in favour of the move happening. We obviously want it, Barcelona really want it and while FDJ doesn't, he probably also doesn't want the realistic alternative, sitting on the bench for a year before being sold anyway. My guess is United see it this way and are happy to let it play out for another couple of weeks before moving away. As long as they leave themselves time to get a replacement before 1st Sept, I think they're playing a difficult situation well.
Yeah, I think this is getting lost in the void. Barcelona don't actually owe him a "debt". I think i got confused by this as well last week. There is no "wage debt" outstanding. The wage cuts he took led to a new contract. Barcelona have promised to pay him inflated wages over that contract lifespan as almost a way of "repayment", but FDJ is getting paid what he's owed. The scummy part is that Barcelona are now doing everything possible to sell him before the huge payments are due, FDJ rightly sees this as "lost wages" even though legally they aren't. Because if FDJ leaves for MUFC then that's the end of the Barca contract.
So FDJ is using the Barca - MUFC fee agreement to say "hey, if you feckers are selling me, I want a pay out for lost wages or i'm staying"
So FDJ is using the Barca - MUFC fee agreement to say "hey, if you feckers are selling me, I want a pay out for lost wages or i'm staying"
Doesn't mean we should close the thread man.
Here lies the problem. Why would you lie and deceive a manager you have a fantastic relationship with just for giggles. If he ever wants to Work with Ten Hag in the future, either at United or elsewhere you wouldn't burn your bridges by lying to him.
I'm sure there is massive mutual respect between them both. If de Jong said: "Look boss, I understand how much you want me there but I'm happy here and I'd like to stay regardless of whether a solution is found to my current problem" then Ten Hag would accept that and we'd move on. We've proved that we do that with Timber and Brobbey. For us to stick around this much, de Jong must want to join if he's paid what he's owed by Barca
Because before the lever was activated they had trouble with cashflow ? They didn't just spend 100 odd million on Lewa and Raphinha ?
Thanks for the context.
I know they want rid of FDJ for the sake of the wage structure as much as anything, but can you see any other way for them to achieve FFP with La Liga by selling only other 'fringe' players and not FDJ? It may explain why they are not forcefully booting him out.
Adds zero value currently.
I know, you wouldnt know what to do with your free time.
Ramos was after a new contract. I'm not sure how Fabregas 'took us for a ride'.
What is Frenkie's reason for (presumably) telling EtH he wants to join if he doesn't?
These kinds of comments add zero value.
Because he wants to keep an option open. He would rather join than be stuck in the reserves, but he really doesn’t wanna leave. It’s not a lie or a deception. It’s just how the politics of football work sometimes.
It offers hopium to transfer muppets
Or (which is the most likely scenario)
Barca AND De Jong are negotiating and exploring ways of keeping him and if it isn't possible we're plan B.
And I'm sure Ten Hag knows he'd rather stay but de Jong has also probably admitted to him that to stay he needs to take a pay cut and he doesn't want to do that. Therefor his only real option is to leave but he wants what he's owed.
It would make no sense for United to stick around of there was a high chance he stays, its a waste of everyone's time
They have explored it, it involves a huge pay cut and that's a non starter for de Jong if reporters are to be believed... so they want to sell.
Even Laporta said for him to stay he needs to take a big pay cut, why should he when he's already done that?
You've jumped to an extreme there though. He's probably been clear that he'd join us if Barca push him out and if they pay him compensation or we cover it. There's no messing about ETH.
Given his talent we've probably made the assessment it's worth the risk to see what happens.
and the Barca director made it clear FDJ's wages made him the one to sell because it's the simplest way to boost fair play thresholds.
Yup so there is no exploring other options, it's a case that he either takes a big pay cut to stay, or he's sold to "help the club"
Ah sure why not, but this is a classic imo.
Yep, nothing new since we agree the fee
Yep
FDJ's agent has been busy this morning
I don't think we can even pay him €22m a year without breaking our wage structure, let alone compensate for his deferred salary.
Never understand why people do this.Easy there tiger im sure your favourite thread will stay open for a while longer!
The contract was renegotiated and the bulk of wages pushed back over a further 2 years. He been paid correctly as per his new contract up to this point, hence the standoff.
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He cannot be forced to take a paycut. He has valid contract until 2026 and can just stay. I don't think him lowering his wage demands is even being considered by his camp, there is literally zero reason for him to agree to that.
The only way for them to keep him is to just honor his contract. There is nothing to negotiate in that case.
All the theories about him agreeing to 50% paycut to stay are just nonsense. Nobody in the world would do that.
I'm sorry, what? We have seen evidence of the Brobbey deal? Like we were seriously interested in him.
When and where in my post have I stated we haven't done anything?
Also by taking a pay cut he's essentially giving up the money he would be paid back by the deferment. No way he does this in my opinion.
Yeah, which is why it doesn't fill me with confidence. Also, people are acting as if time is going to resolve thigs. We need to start getting things done.
Yeah, conversations might have taken place but if Barca do not give him his money owed, he isn't leaving.
I agree with you mate, keep threads open! Especially this one, we will not give up!
I have been refreshing this thread evey 5 mins for 2 months now,not going to stop now thats for sure
It's like some people can’t be bothered to read the thread so selfishly want it closed. Weird.I agree with you mate, keep threads open! Especially this one, we will not give up!
I have been refreshing this thread evey 5 mins for 2 months now,not going to stop now thats for sure
If people want updates only just use the transfer tweets thread or the feed.
Seems we are caught up in a stand off between De Jong and Barcelona over the 17m Euro's that they owe him. They are lying that they want him to stay, and he is lying that he doesn't want to leave. They are both player poker here, waiting for the other side to fold.
But it may seem that De Jong has the upper hand, because they need him out to recoup the cash and register their players for la liga rules, and they can't do this with FDJ on the books at 22m per season. It screws up their FFP.
I just hope that we don't end up copping for the deferred wages. I think this deal will happen, but it might mean De Jong taking the money in instalments over 3 years instead of full payment.
But it may seem that De Jong has the upper hand, because they need him out to recoup the cash and register their players for la liga rules, and they can't do this with FDJ on the books at 22m per season. It screws up their FFP.
I just hope that we don't end up copping for the deferred wages. I think this deal will happen, but it might mean De Jong taking the money in instalments over 3 years instead of full payment.
Little known fact, FdJ is a member on here and refuses to sign until this thread is 1000 pages long.
Can see them paying him his owed monies once the funds from the next levers are in. No way Barca keep him he is too expensive for them to keep circa 20m per year wages when the rest of the squad contracts are being renegotiated so they can balance their books.
Its still on like De Jong!
Can see them paying him his owed monies once the funds from the next levers are in. No way Barca keep him he is too expensive for them to keep circa 20m per year wages when the rest of the squad contracts are being renegotiated so they can balance their books.
Its still on like De Jong!
Apparently so. It was reported that he contacted ten Hag directly and told him that he would prefer to go to Ajax and that was the end of it. We moved on and abandoned the talks
Might be difficult for us to understand, but Barca players usually don't need to be forced.
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