I think of these "Levers" as like the beer pumps in the pub, but instead of beer flowing out, it's Barcelona's credibility.
Frenkie de Jong | The last muppeting lap
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they’re trying to sell him without paying what they owe, right?
presumably there is a point of contention there and if they left him out of the tour, they’d weaken their own stance in that “negotiation”
I was thinking more of Squid Game, where you pull a lever and a pot drops cash. Only a matter of time until they get killed though
That makes sense, thank you.
I can see why they're pushing hard for him to go, especially seeing as though Xavi has players he'd rather have over him too
A bit odd now that ETH has such tunnel vision for this player, I'm not sure too many would be that bothered if we'd left this a while ago. People would have snapped your hand off for Neves and Eriksen in early June, which seems perfectly doable.
The fact we're hearing we could let this roll on until after the season has started is a bit worrying, as the longer we let it go the less chance we will be able to sign an alternative.
The fact we're hearing we could let this roll on until after the season has started is a bit worrying, as the longer we let it go the less chance we will be able to sign an alternative.
My understanding from reading/listening to journalists who I believe are reliable, is that it’s the Barcelona board who want to sell De Jong, but Xavi wants to keep him
I’m sure the decision to take him on tour is Xavi’s and the board would have rather left him out
Is it a one and done over this period or is it a recurring injection over the 25 years? Seems like a long time to leverage TV rights with the inflation over the past few years.
Laporta said it was up to Xavi who goes on tour. Hi picked Frenkie and now Xavi has been left behind 
They are desperate they had no choice.
Any inflation over an agreed amount goes to Barca
Not too sure as i've also read reports that Xavi likes him as a player but does understand that he needs to be sold for financial reasons, and given the options he's got in the squad, he's happy for de Jong to go
Interesting. I guess we ll see how it plays out over the next 30 days.
It reminds me of LVG and his love of Kevin Strootman. Allegedly Strootman so vital to LVG’s system at the WC that he even called postion #6 the Kevin Strootman role.
You have to wonder how much effect the Martinez deal has had on slowing this down a little.
That's my understanding anyway.
I think United have done all they can on this deal at the moment. It's just upto Barca to get their stuff in order. Maybe when this lever is activated, they'll pay his wages and he'll be gone, giving them the funds and FFP wiggle room to sign Silva at the very least, especially if a fee has been agreed already
It's the other way around?
We spent too much time on this deal and Martinez price went up a few mill.
Murtough & Arnold were in Spain prior to the Martinez agreement.
I just think it’s interesting we agreed the price on Frenkie first and it seems Ajax have gotten more out of us. Could be possible that United wanted to know how much they would be committing to Frenkie before moving to finalise Martinez
This is a waste of time, granted it’s interesting following the summer drama but there comes a point where you draw the line.
It’s already got to the stage where United are over paying…and the bloke still isn’t arsed about playing for United.
ETH…Move on please!
It’s already got to the stage where United are over paying…and the bloke still isn’t arsed about playing for United.
ETH…Move on please!
Keano would not want him.
Move on to who? This is the player which ETH wants. There arent that many players who can do what FDJ does. We will give it that as much time as it is possible because alternatives may not suffice for ETH style of play.
You don't know whats said in private though. It's been suggested that he's been advised to say he wants to stay to ensure that Barca give him what he's entitled too.
EtH has obviously recieved assurances that he wants to come when all the problems have been sorted and i don't imagine that personal terms will be difficult to sort at all
I’m confused, now you’re saying there was reporting done by the press that supports your belief that the wages weren’t deferred but were forgiven in exchange for an increased wage in a new and improved contract….but are at the same time saying that the press that is currently reporting the issuing being non payment of deferred wages (which doesn’t support your opinion) is less credible? To me it seems as if you are just choosing to believe the reports that support your position while discrediting those that contradict you.
Perhaps you are more litigious than I am, but for me the first step in negotiating a release from a contract is not to run to a court but to engage in a negotiation with your counterparty. I posit that what we are witnessing is the negotiation of the release, through the press. It has everything to die with the deferred wages, as well as loyalty bonuses and perhaps whether De Jung’s deferred wages should also include an element of an interest rate as well.
This could be the case. Dutch media also confirming VDS stepped in to speed up the Martinez deal. I think VDS told United's representatives to pay up or shut up and stop unsettling the player. Otherwise I can't explain how United have out of the blue raised their offer to this amount after weeks of lowballing.
Rumour is that it is capped at current value and will not increase if the TV revenue go up. For example if revenue is 100m at the moment then they will pay 25m for next 25 years even if the TV revenue go up. But it hasn’t been confirmed
They had stronger negotiation on the back of selling Haller & Gravenberch.
Money in the pocket so demand more for any other players also leaving.
I think we will go all in for FDJ, but surely there have to be other players capable of playing Ten Hag -ball. If not it will be a few tough years ahead and maybe he will have to tweak the model.
Hope it fecking skyrockets
The thing is, it was reported a while ago that Barca would accept a deal of €75+€12 straight away, and coincidently thats very close to what we've agreed now.
I think we've paid higher to accommodate the Lewandowski signing as Bayern wanted a fixed, up front payment for him (even though they won't see a penny of our cash until they sort the de Jong wage issues out)
I’m more referring to the figures mentioned in the last few days by various sources. All of a sudden now it’s gone up an extra €10 million or so.
I keep seeing this but why is it obvious? Isn’t the fact Barca need to sell and a promise to force him out if a fee is agreed as likely as De Jong wanting to come here? Why wouldn’t United agree to that and wait it out even if the player is currently unwilling to move?
Yeah that’s a possibility too.
It started at €40m. Should have finished the deal in early June.
In what way would that weaken their stance? My reading of this is that the player has basically said he's not budging, as he doesnt want to leave and is owed potloads of money,. He's in the tour squad so they dont waste a good player and if he's in training and playing then that just supports his position at the club.
If it is the case, then it tells me that this is much more advanced than we think, and the going on tour thing is because he's still legally their contracted player.
Still i don't think it is unfortunately. It would be nice to think so, and i do wonder how they've managed to find that much cash to pay Bayern as a fixed fee, especially after agreeing a fee with us with a higher fixed amount which would cover the Lewa fee.
How do you figure?
Even still, they need to keep him match fit, in case he doesn't actually leave. He was always going to go on the tour, regardless of a fee being agreed or not. His position at the club is that he's not wanted and that, apparently, Xavi likes him as a player but he has other players that he prefers over de Jong and understands that he needs to be sold for financial reasons. So at best, his role would be a rotational squad player at the very best i'd imagine if he stayed
I never really doubted that he’d go on tour. I don’t really consider that a significant development because as you say he is still a Barca player and the deal is not close to being done. I don’t really think him being on tour with them is an obstacle in any way either though. I’m sure United expected him to go.
It was £40m, not €40m.
Arsenal were very close to agreeing the deal at £40m, we offered £45 with - £5m approx in add ons.
Whatever has happened in the last week we've now jumped up £54 / €64m.
Just put him on ignore.You actually think I care about that
A new low even for you
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