Frenkie de Jong | The last muppeting lap
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Of course - but not embarassing 2 months of licking Barca and also knowing that the player never once said he wants to come here.
This is not acceptable from our club.
Have you seen any other serious club going through this?
Did City/Liverpool/Spurs etc take two months to get their players?!
Ridiculous.
2 months is nothing. Hard deals take time. Yeah, I have seen other deals take just as much time. It’s not something that only happens with us.
Everyone would obviously like to see things move faster, but that’s not the reality with every deal out there. In this case it’s not just us and Barca haggling on the fixed fee. It’s also intern issues with Barca and the player.
Calling it embarrassing is way off mark.
Absolutely nothing so far about this transfer is “embarrassing” for United. Barcelona have a terrible financial situation in which they have had to put a player up for sale, a player our manager has worked excellent with earlier in his career.
United have negotiated and agreed on a price with the selling club and are now awaiting the results of negotiations between the player and the club.
If that embarrasses you, my God you get embarrassed bizarrely & easily.
I'm actually embarrassed for you that you're not embarrassed.
How did that Mbappe 2 year saga work out for Madrid?
And remember when Spurs spent months chasing Dybala
or when Liverpool spent an entire Summer chasing VVD only to not get him until 6 months later And City absolutely did not chase Harry Kane for the entire Spring & Summer of 2021… cause “serious clubs”.
But yeah, it’s only United. You need to think before you post sometimes @christinaa, as frustrating as a transfer window can be, it’s often that way for any team chasing a top player from a top club, especially if they don’t have a release clause.
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To be fair, alot of similarities between himself at 25 and McT at the same age.
Common thread being they were both made scapegoats by supporters and routinely criticised. Until he got into his prime, then he was almost our best player
Fletcher was never our best player. He was decent during 1-2 season which was ridiculously hyped to being able to singlehandedly destroy Pep's Barca on his own if only he was available (I call that the Fabio Da Silva effect) but there's no way in hell that he was anywhere near to Carrick's level let alone Paul 'the genius' Scholes. However I do admit that Fletcher was 10 times the player McT or Fred are.
Having said that......we did win the league with the likes of Smalling, Jones and Cleverley as pretty much first teamers. The secret was SAF's ability to build a well balanced squad by compensating one player's weakness with another player's strength. Cleverley on his own was a championship level player. However he could run all day and was humble enough to understand his limits. That suited well United's system as the only thing an old Carrick and an ancient Scholes needed was legwork. Thus Cleverley played while the much more talented but less accommodating Pogba sat on the bench.
I believe that United are hoping that McT can be ETH's Cleverley. Surely De Jong and Bruno are better players then Carrick and Scholes were during SAF's last year (not before, a prime Carrick-Scholes would shit on both). Then maybe we would then move for Rice. Everyone knows that United's transfer shortlist tend to be like that Hotel California song.
"You can check-out any time you like but you can never leave!"
I'm embarrassed that you embarrassed for him that he's not embarrassed.
Grow up mate.
Of course - but not embarassing 2 months of licking Barca and also knowing that the player never once said he wants to come here.
This is not acceptable from our club.
Have you seen any other serious club going through this?
Did City/Liverpool/Spurs etc take two months to get their players?!
Ridiculous.
To be honest this view is ridiculous itself.
If United were happy to ‘lick Barca’ then we’d have caved in and paid the wages or whatever else it took to get the deal done.
The club are negotiating and happy to wait it out. Under the circumstances that is the right thing to do.
Let’s see when the club decide to go to plan B and what that looks like before judging.
Liverpool City and Spurs haven’t been signing a star player from an elite club have they? Come on. You’re smarter than this.
No they didn’t. They spent the previous summer trying to get Kane. It didn’t work. The next summer they just activated Haalands clause.
So they first got in touch with Raiola and Haaland in May?
Deal was done with Raiola back in 2021 once Kane didn’t get done, no question, to fend off any other interest.
Well you’ve just strengthened the same point. If the deal was done back in 2021 then they didn’t chase him for a year did they.So they first got in touch with Raiola and Haaland in May?
Deal was done with Raiola back in 2021 once Kane didn’t get done, no question, to fend off any other interest.
My goodness.
So they first got in touch with Raiola and Haaland in May?
Deal was done with Raiola back in 2021 once Kane didn’t get done, no question, to fend off any other interest.
So they didn't spend a year chasing him then
I know, I'm kidding.I doubt if Arnold or mctough feels the same. More like frustrated and tired.
Maybe you should invest in a little time on the thread to get a clearer handle of the situation.
Otherwise it's more like embarrassing for you
He might be, but it does sort of seem likely. We aren’t linked to any particular DM.
Also, eschew — Luckhurst is at it with the word of the day
Oh feck me, they couldn’t rubber stamp a deal in 2021 could they, the deal was complete in May 2022.
My goodness.
How long are there between 2 summers?
If you think it was as simple as City came in one day, activiated his release clause then I have a bridge to sell you especially when Haaland was being offered out to every big club in europe (and by accounts other clubs balked at the money and left it).
How long are there between 2 summers?
9 months!
I don't know him personally but I know there would be some footballers who would.
I'm fairly sure barca would play him if they had to pay his exorbitant salary and they would have more chance of winning trophies this season vs us. But yes he probably would be bitter.
Until his pay comes into his account every fortnight
Of course - but not embarassing 2 months of licking Barca and also knowing that the player never once said he wants to come here.
This is not acceptable from our club.
Have you seen any other serious club going through this?
Did City/Liverpool/Spurs etc take two months to get their players?!
Ridiculous.
Little bit hysterical.
The point would still stand if what you said is true (because there wouldn't have been any chasing going on would there). I doubt they actually did the deal with Riola back in 2021 anyway, Madrid were still in the running.
You are still struggling with this aren’t you, bless you.
If you think the deal was done in 2021 then they clearly didn’t “chase him for a year” did they. If they only did the deal in 2022 then they didn’t chase him for a year still.
You said city chased him for a year. No they didn’t. You can beat around the bush all you like.How long are there between 2 summers?
If you think it was as simple as City came in one day, activiated his release clause then I have a bridge to sell you especially when Haaland was being offered out to every big club in europe (and by accounts other clubs balked at the money and left it).
City chased Kane all summer last year. Right till the end of the transfer window. There was no chance City had any interest in negotiations for Haaland at that point. Once the window was closed, they dropped interest in Kane and turned attention to Haaland. Didn’t chase him for long at all. This deal was done months ago.
The deal could only ever be done in principle though, as you well know, so obviously they could be gazumped by the likes of Madrid and would’ve been in constant contact with the agent.
They chased him for a good while, likely even before 2021, as you well know, so it’s a daft as feck debate we’re having. We both know City have chased Haaland, and didn’t just decide in May, “oh, there’s a release clause on a player we like”.
My best educated guess, once the transfer window closed and Harry Kane wasn’t a City player, they instantly focused all their attention on getting him in and were in immediate contact with the agent in September.
A deal would’ve been done in principle, but until May 2022 there was always a chance that another club could come in like PSG or Madrid and gazump them.
feck me, yet I’m the one struggling, bless.
All over the place now
All over the place now
Ok, let’s pretend City got in touch in May, and did the deal in 2 weeks.
Or let’s pretend they only realised in December that his release clause was coming up and acted then.
What do you think likely happened Chief? Considering they knew on September 1st 2021 they weren’t getting Kane and couldn’t rubber stamp a deal for Haaland until May 2022?
I'm looking forward to Romano's update later.
Barcelona and de Jong met today. Important hours ahead. Frenkie's message is still the same, he wants to stay and will not accept reduced wages.
Barcelona and de Jong met today. Important hours ahead. Frenkie's message is still the same, he wants to stay and will not accept reduced wages.
Why does it depend on his contract? A contract guarantees you the amount signed unless there's some sort of annexe saying, we're not going to pay you if we don't feel like it.
If his contract is backloaded with more wages guaranteed towards the end of the contract, they owe him nothing. Not that I expect this to be the case here, mind
Because his new deal guaranteed him €3 million for year one, somewhere between 6 to €9 million for year two, €17 million years 3 to 5 and €80 million for year six.
So without seeing his contract it’s impossible for anyone to know if Barça have legally paid him what they owe according to his contracted terms; or if there are early termination agreements in the contract which ensure that he doesn’t get screwed for years one and two in the event that they sell him early.
Generally when a player is transferred, the remainder of the contract is written off and the contract effectively terminated. I don't recall a deal before where the selling club has also had to pay the player all the money he would have earnt if he stayed.
The 'rumour' is that FdJ renegotiated his deal so that his salary was reduced for the first to years, then inflated for the remainder. If he is sold now then he will probably have to walk away from a hell of a lot of money. This is the issue. The thing we don't know is if there was some sort of clause in there that covered this eventuality for FdJ and whether Barca would be liable to pay him a lump sum to cover the wages he missed out on in the first two years.
Didn’t they defer paying him what they owed? These aren’t incentivized payments, it was his normal wage that they asked if they could pay the rest later. Unless he forgives the debt, they have to pay up. I’d imagine if they were not crowing about bringing in a bunch of new players he’d be slightly more inclined to make a deal with them, but at this rate he should tell them to get fecked and pay up.
It’s pointless him posting it, you’ve beaten him to it haha
See the posts above. If they deferred by allocating the money to later years of his contract, the situation isn't quite as black and white
I think it all amounts to squeezing FDJ to wave away the money or for his new employer to pick up the tab. A war of nerves.
How did that Mbappe 2 year saga work out for Madrid?
And remember when Spurs spent months chasing Dybala
And City absolutely did not chase Harry Kane for the entire Spring & Summer of 2021… cause “serious clubs”.
But yeah, it’s only United. You need to think before you post sometimes @christinaa, as frustrating as a transfer window can be, it’s often that way for any team chasing a top player from a top club, especially if they don’t have a release clause.
Well said.
I feel like it should be pointed out that if de Jong were to say he wants to leave, Barca would have valid reasons to withhold his loyalty bonus - but if he's technically forced out - they can't make that argument.
The difference between de Jong saying he wants to stay and wants to leave is a €3M bonus.
Ask yourself, what would you do?
His agent and lawyers would have to be incompetent to agree to that. I doubt that is the case. Plus, why refer to it as "deferred wages" in that case?
The difference between de Jong saying he wants to stay and wants to leave is a €3M bonus.
Ask yourself, what would you do?
His agent and lawyers would have to be incompetent to agree to that. I doubt that is the case. Plus, why refer to it as "deferred wages" in that case?
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