Don’t get how neves and tielemans would be suitable alternatives to de Jong. There playing styles are no where near for starters. Much rather us go for someone like Fabian Ruiz… would be easier to get aswell. Why does it always have to be about being proven in the prem… yes it helps but surely you put quality first.
Frenkie de Jong | The last muppeting lap
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Could it be that Barcelona is only trying to push him to lower his wages?
Top transfer market going burst because of this bankrupt club. Uefa allowed this despite they try to do them through super league. 
Can’t wait to see how Murtough and the rest of the muppets explain this catastrophic failure of a window
They’ll make documentaries about the fall of this club.
Get Anthony, Martinez and Tielemans and move on ffs.
They’ll make documentaries about the fall of this club.
Get Anthony, Martinez and Tielemans and move on ffs.
He did know what he was doing when he pinned this entire FFP on the previous president. There isn’t a hope in hell he planned for this level nonsense just to operate is in any way intentional. You’re the one telling me that you have money and it’s ffp holding you back. Well that’s in Laporta.
There’s absolutely no reason for this.
I thought you wrote hivesIsn’t the simple answer being Ten Hag knows he doesn’t want to come but is backing himself to change De Jongs mind?
His basic wage over his 6 year deal equates to around 260k euros /week.
Hope you’re right
Wouldn’t be in any way surprised if we’re here this time next week though with absolutely nothing new though
Is that “simple”? I’d say that’d be a stupid as feck stance to take.
He knew everything, absolutely everything. And there's no debate on that. Laporta expected a bit of flexibility in Spain's FFP, but he knew every step he took.
He is a scoundrel at maximum levels but he has nothing as a fool, and he also surrounds himself with very prepared people.
I think your record is stuck mate, every post is the same.
You don’t like our board. We get it. ‘Move on ffs’.
I must admit, I got more confident as I was typing and it came out contradictory
Now I’ve never been so convinced that he’s coming.
Here’s a Reddit post that explains it. Laporta tried his little trick, La Liga did their own audit and called them out on their lies and completely bulldozed their own immediate to short term future. This is in Laporta but the propaganda points everything back to the previous board. Laporta should have walked for this alone
For anyone wondering, Laporta and his board had reported all their losses caused by their rebaseline and devaluation of their intangible assets (e.g. players) in one go in early 2021 which meant it had made this season’s wage cap extremely low and difficult to manage. The original upside was that you can only report the debt in scope once and you are not spreading out the reported losses over multiple years. It was a strategic business/accounting decision by Laporta and his board.
HOWEVER. La Liga themselves also did their OWN audit and they came out with an announcement that they believe Barça had purposely overstated their losses. They in turn also have discretionary power in a following fiscal year to scrutinize harder the way how we have reorganized our debt structure and reported revenue based upon their interpretation on the feasibility of repayment of future debt and forecast of revenues (and not just a standard review of the preliminary submitted financial report for this fiscal year for cap calculations - which may result in recommendations for additional financial operations by the club anyways to satisfy La Liga’s ad-hoc concerns).
Also, In the last 12 months we have taken a single billion euro loan to cover operations and immediate maturing debt -AND- approved ANOTHER billion dollar loan to finance Espai Barça. Although on paper we don’t need to be paying it all right now, it is now added on as a heavy layer of debt into our future seasons with no real guarantee of sufficient revenue to cover debt and have a substantial profit margin. The forecasted revenue presented to culés had actually been very optimistic back on October 2021.
On top of that if we are only talking about evaluations for the immediate year, we do have maturing debts nevertheless that needs to be paid just this year as well as the increase of expenditure on postponed salaries and increase in salaries of renewed players or new players who made a financial sacrifice this season but will have an increase the following season.
La Liga in turn when they review our financials to determine wage cap, DOES have the discretionary right to question our long term financial stability in the upcoming years to stifle our more current immediate following fiscal year’s wage cap as a form of financial control. There is DEFINITELY an additional layer of political aspect too where things get blurry and Tebas and his supporters can leverage the complex situation to try to push for a CVC agreement.
Hopefully this makes sense.
Think I might come out in hives if I have to endure another Di Maria ‘joke’
That’s the spirit! CHOO CHOO!I must admit, I got more confident as I was typing and it came out contradictory
Now I’ve never been so convinced that he’s coming.
True to be fair
Just sick of this shitty ‘transfer saga’ there’s nothing else happening.
They’ve done that once already
Seems plenty is happening with Martinez and Eriksen.
One target is stuck in the mud, due to a ridiculous situation between a shithead club and the player. Just one.
Erik seems an ambitious and pragmatic man, I doubt he would want to waste time chasing a player who did want to come. Indeed, if as reported he is growing impatient with the delays in transfer deals and it’s him causing it by trying to persuade his top target that seems a bit dumb and kinda implausible.
His salary in Barca seems not ridiculous. €250K. It matches the reported sum of two year deferred pay, i.e., €17m. 250k x 52 = 13m per year. He earned 3m and 6m last two years to defer the pay in total, 13m x 2 - 3m - 6m = 17m.
If we offer him £250, it’s already a pay rise not small.
Who knows, maybe we’ll get a surprise at the end of the window - sign somebody really unexpected or out of the blue. Or even not Dutch!
He lied and got caught out. His plan literally did not work
Whether he wants to move to United, who knows but after the way Barca have acted & the fact they’re basically withholding his wages why would he want to stay there. United or not he surely can’t think he has a long term future there.
Yep. I had a brief vision of Di Maria with Hugh Jass hives and even that was more pleasant than said joke.
Watch it unfold in the next 5 days.....
"Tense meetings"
"Laporte and De Jong at a standstill"
"Unhappy Frenkie looking for a solution"
"Ten Hag offers a lifeline for FdJ"
Cometh the friday cometh the tweet:
"FdJ to United! Here we go!!!!"
All this talk that De Jong wants to stay in Barca I don't necessarily think is true. He can sees that he's lost his place in the squad and is no longer wanted. It's obvious that at a minimum he has indicated to United that he is open to a move, more likely he has been pushing for the move. But at this point, it's a poker game between him, United and Barca. Him insisting that he wants to stay at Barca reduces their leverage in the situation. He wants to get paid and get his move.
So I'd argue this stance by him is actually helping United here. It could be the case that De Jong really wants to stay, but I'd really doubt United would be pushing this hard for him if that were the case, especially with the relationship between he and ETH plus the agents involved.
So I'd argue this stance by him is actually helping United here. It could be the case that De Jong really wants to stay, but I'd really doubt United would be pushing this hard for him if that were the case, especially with the relationship between he and ETH plus the agents involved.
Perfect! Seems very reasonable.
He can’t exactly say he wants to leave when he’s owed a bucket load of money can he?
I know we fell off, and I think I’ve mostly come to terms with it, but every time I read tweets like “definitely doesn’t want to leave X for MUFC” I still get pissed 
Seen this comment a few times.
That would stop making even the tiniest bit of sense about 3 weeks into the season when the transfer window closes. They leave him in the stands till january and his transfer value probably drops by 17m+. They've threatened to do that previously and La Liga told them it was illegal anyway, if the player is fit, capable (ie by being an international for their country) and willing they need to be given an opportunity to play. They can only be excluded on merit.
They could just pay him what they owe him. Cant really argue they cant afford it when they're being paid 65m to sell him.
Never buy players who don’t want to join. Such an obvious thing United can’t seem to understand. Should have moved on 6 weeks ago and now will be flapping around to get targets in when we have missed opportunities already. The club is still run by morons.
Barely!
Seriously give it a rest. You've been constantly banging this over used drum now in every thread I've seen, it's beyond tedious now.
Of course they are. There has been nothing from the club or English journos to suggest otherwise. As has been said numerous times, we'd know if the negotiations were over very quickly. We'd brief as such or we'd move on to a new target and get stuff done quickly as we did when we ended the pursuit of Timber
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