Frenkie de Jong | The last muppeting lap

[Telsim]

First of all, players are deferring wages, not losing them. Voluntarily. Laporta saying that is media/fanbase talk. In reality, players remain at the club as THEY CAN'T FORCE THEM TO LEAVE. Something that has been happening for many seasons now. Coutinho's multiple loans, Pjanic, etc.

Frenkie is OBVIOUSLY fine with all of that as he is likely not just not losing money but actually earning more later. Otherwise, him and the rest of the players, wouldn't have agreed to the deals.

On top, he is CONSTANTLY being quoted saying he wants to stay there as it's his dream club and enjoy himself there. Does that sound like the modern day slave Cristiano circa 2008?

Players deferred their wages back during the pandemic to allow Barcelona to fit under La Liga's wage cap. Instead Barcelona will pay their deferred wages back with I think 3% interest over a set period of time. So yes, in theory these players would earn more money.

However, it turns out Barcelona are in such dire straits they need to sell their future profits to survive and barely managed to do that on the last day of the deadline (30th of June). But instead of using these funds they gained to pay the deferred wages and future wages, they turn around and look to spend a 100 million+ on Lewa, Raphinha etc., while asking the players that deferred their wages before and await payment to lower their future wages.

And now Barca are trying to scam De Jong out of his deferred wages.

Remember, on top of all this is is the interest Barcelona owe on their bank debts.

 

[Cassidy]

It’s the structure that Alenany has implemented and obviously doesn’t include those already at the club. As we’ve seen they are pressuring those above that to reduce.

Above what? They are pressuring players who are not in the bracket of the highest paid stars in the structure to lower their salary.
A wage structure has tiers, you can't have Lenglet earning the same as Busquets

 

[El-Manos]

Why he accepting a sh!tty new deal?

I just remember him sysing in that interview a couple of weeks ago” my preference is to stay at Barcelona “

 

[Mainoldo]

I just remember him sysing in that interview a couple of weeks ago” my preference is to stay at Barcelona “

I’m sure his overall preference is to get paid accordingly.

 

[Berbaclass]

He is owed his differed payments and they are not included.
He was originally signed on 16m euros a year, the new contact is 18m basic with bonuses and he is still owed his differed payments.
Bartomeu gave him the contract as a reward for loyalty, which makes sense when you think about it, issue is they can't really afford it.
Even the original 16m a year was too high for De Jong because he isn't amoungst the clubs stars, but they did it thinking he eventually wound be and because they desperately wanted to beat PSG to him.

An example remember when we signed Sanchez on 400k, do you remember the issue that caused with contract renewals for other players?

He renewed on a deferred wage to help the club out.

Sanchez was not on 400k base.

 

[Niemans]

Even the €16 million would be breaking the new wage structure.

The new salary maximum will be €10m net. Lewandowski will be on that first level.

 

[El-Manos]

I’m sure his overall preference is to get paid accordingly.

Time will tell.

 

[AdNani]

They haven't actually signed anyone yet except 2 players on free transfers, and the reason is that they don't have the funds yet.

So two more wages on to a wage bill we've established they already cannot afford. With more signings on the way...

 

[Cassidy]

He renewed on a deferred wage to help the club out.

Sanchez was not on 400k base.

Yes with a future reward for doing so. Look at the figures 2m a year extra for 4 years does not cover his losses for even the first year he deffered, its simple maths

 

[georgipep]

Cristiano Ronaldo claims he will stay at Manchester United

Spoiler

Check the date of the image, then my post. What you do afterwards is up to you.

 

[Cassidy]

So two more wages on to a wage bill we've established they already cannot afford. With more signings on the way...

Missing key points to suit the agenda doesn't make it correct. They can't afford until they sell 15% of TV rights which is why they are deffered.

 

[georgipep]

That's why they are trying to force him to sign up for something totally different..... right cos he's going to earn more money they are so kind this Barcelona.

And he seems so distressed and frustrated about it, right?

Can you imagine Barcelona saying different things to him and the public? Would that be feasible for you?

 

[Berbaclass]

The new salary maximum will be €10m net. Lewandowski will be on that first level.

Above what? They are pressuring players who are not in the bracket of the highest paid stars in the structure to lower their salary.
A wage structure has tiers, you can't have Lenglet earning the same as Busquets

€10 million net

 

[Berbaclass]

Yes with a future reward for doing so. Look at the figures 2m a year extra for 4 years does not cover his losses for even the first year he deffered, its simple maths

The reason was not due to loyalty mate

 

[hellhunter]

Check the date of the image, then my post. What you do afterwards is up to you.

Well done on missing the point

 

[Cassidy]

€10 million net

And how is 16m above 10m net?

 

[georgipep]

I love how you're so sure about all that. Do you have some inside knowledge or just pure speculation like the rest of us.

But how do you know that Frenkie saying he wants to stay is media/fanbase talk? How do you know he's not just saying that go keep the fans happy should his move not go ahead? If Laporta can lie to the fans, so can Frenkie, or does it only go one way

I know because this is business negotiations 101. And Frenkie might as well be saying all of this to keep appearances. Which only means he doesn't desperately want to leave. Which only means he is not that bothered by neither what Barcelona have done with the deferred wages, nor with what they say publicly right now.

 

[Cassidy]

The reason was not due to loyalty mate

Deferring payments is an act of loyalty, he could have decided to say no, or forced a transfer

 

[Flexdegea]

Obviously, this is the job of the scouting department.

The Caf has been throwing out midfielders for the last 2-3 years, in no particular order, Ndidi, Rice, Phillips, Camavinga, Partey, Bissouma, Saul, Tonali, Sangare….

‘My point is, if FDJ is the only player in world football who can run Ten Hag’s system, then we’re in a very difficult spot because he may stay at Barca. If he doesn’t come, hopefully there’s a plan B.

None of them are as good at what he does, or even close to the same type of player, and to do what Hag clearly looking to do with this team. As I said be buying for sake of buying if we were to try and buy a lesser player than DeJong, when Barca or the player haven't even rejected the move yet.


It's not a case of all eggs in this basket or we are screwed, we clearly for assurances he willing to move, we know Barca will sell him as they are negotiating currently, the main issue is Barca themselves is a total circus at the moment.

All I can say is have some patience, just like the club is showing at the moment.


Plenty of preseason and the transfer window still to go before we can get this done.

 

[georgipep]

Players deferred their wages back during the pandemic to allow Barcelona to fit under La Liga's wage cap. Instead Barcelona will pay their deferred wages back with I think 3% interest over a set period of time. So yes, in theory these players would earn more money.

However, it turns out Barcelona are in such dire straits they need to sell their future profits to survive and barely managed to do that on the last day of the deadline (30th of June). But instead of using these funds they gained to pay the deferred wages and future wages, they turn around and look to spend a 100 million+ on Lewa, Raphinha etc., while asking the players that deferred their wages before and await payment to lower their future wages.

And now Barca are trying to scam De Jong out of his deferred wages.

Remember, on top of all this is is the interest Barcelona owe on their bank debts.

How are Barca trying to scam De Jong? Can you elaborate on that?

Everything else you say is true and I don't see why Frenkie would be bothered by it. He will get paid, he doesn't care who Barca owes and how much.

 

[caid]

He'll get a longer contract which means he'll make the same over the length of the contract and he'll get a sign-on bonus also.
16m is the reported figure

I dont think i'm inclined to believe any reports associated with Barcelona to be honest. They seemed pretty positive they could get him for 40m and that already looks like bullshit.

 

[Berbaclass]

Deferring payments is an act of loyalty, he could have decided to say no, or forced a transfer

Interesting spin haha

 

[Cassidy]

Interesting spin haha

You don't think De Jong agreeing to do that, and the other players that did showed loyalty?
Not all players agreed if you don't remember

 

[Berbaclass]

And how is 16m above 10m net?

Am I missing something here?

 

[AdNani]

Missing key points to suit the agenda doesn't make it correct. They can't afford until they sell 15% of TV rights which is why they are deffered.

again, why do you think it's acceptable that they defer wages on contracts that they willingly gave out until they activate their next 'lever' while still actively signing players? having signed several other players in previous windows

if the TV rights are being sold, at which point they can afford to pay all the money due. why not wait until this deal kicks in before looking at bringing in new signings? it's not like they're looking to add 1 or 2 they're looking at 3/4 players this window.

 

[hellhunter]

Am I missing something here?

Net and gross, I assume

 

[Berbaclass]

You don't think De Jong agreeing to do that, and the other players that did showed loyalty?
Not all players agreed if you don't remember

The reason for the renewal was not loyally. He may have signed it out of loyalty but that was not the reason it was offered to him.

 

[Cassidy]

I dont think i'm inclined to believe any reports associated with Barcelona to be honest. They seemed pretty positive they could get him for 40m and that already looks like bullshit.

I'm only going by whats reported. To be honest I think Bayern will sell for close to that amount, he has 1 year left. Issue is Barca do not have the funds yet

 

[LawCharltonBest]

 

[Berbaclass]

Net and gross, I assume

Fair enough sorry, I assumed it was net.

 

[Brownie85]

He said the same on Saturday... you can't have an agreement with a club then say the player isn't for sale without ending negotiations

 

[Cassidy]

The reason for the renewal was not loyally. He may have signed it out of loyalty but that was not the reason it was offered to him.

I think you are arguing a nonpoint, to be honest.
I didn't say he was offered his differed payments for loyalty. I'm saying he was given a further pay rise on top of his differed payments as a reward for differing his payments.

 

[Cassidy]

He said the same on Saturday... you can't have an agreement with a club then say the player isn't for sale without ending negotiations

He didn't say he isn't for sale though, it was caveated with an UNLESS

 

[hellhunter]

He didn't say he isn't for sale though, it was caveated with an UNLESS

It was this time as well, no?

 

[KiD MoYeS]

This article contradicts its headline within the first paragraph.

 

[Brownie85]

He didn't say he isn't for sale though, it was caveated with an UNLESS

He said the same today... he's not for sale unless we need too. There's always an unless or a but.

 

[caid]

I'm only going by whats reported. To be honest I think Bayern will sell for close to that amount, he has 1 year left. Issue is Barca do not have the funds yet

The reports contradict each other on a daily basis. It comes off as wish fulfillment.
Theres reports of Pique retiring, half a dozen players renegotiating contracts, De jong and Dembele resigning on half their current wage, player forgoing deferred payments. City are going to take 60m for Bernardo Silva, Bayern will take 40m for Lewandowski. Both players will sign for wages a fraction of what they'd earn elsewhere.

 

[B. Munich]

He'll get a longer contract which means he'll make the same over the length of the contract and he'll get a sign-on bonus also.
16m is the reported figure

This only works, if Bayern doesn't extend his contract for another year in 2023.
Actually he has to play a year longer to earn the same amount. Doesn't look like a smart deal to me.

 

[Cassidy]

Probably they most pertinent thing he has said

 

[Adnan]

Simon Stone's piece is relaying the below information from Marca, which explains why things are not moving currently imo.