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If the reports are true that they’re asking him to take a pay cut after deferring some of his wages because of covid then yeah, they are taking the piss, what he earns is really irrelevant, they signed the contract with him to pay him X amount, now they need to pony up they’re trying to get him to take another cut? And by all accounts he ain’t the only one and YET they’re still trying to buy players.

Mes que un wankers.
How is that taking the piss? Are they forcing him to defer wages? Are they insulting him? He has already agreed to that, as well. It's just getting a portion of his millions a bit later. I don't think Frenkie is all that frustrated about that.
 
They're clearly trying to create a narrative that he is on too much wages and he should do the honourable thing and reduce what hes on. This will paint him as some mercenary when he leaves the club.

It's so obviously clear what they're doing.
They create a narrative that they need to implement austerity measures, because that's what Laporta's main opponent is asking for. This has nothing to do with the conversations Barcelona are having with the players and their agents.
 
they've literally just registered Kessie and asked him to defer payments, they've already asked countless players to defer payments and they're trying to weasel out of paying De Jong the money he's already deferred.

maybe get your facts right before being a condescending cnut :)

Your facts are still wrong because the end goal isn't just about registering shiny new toys on big money. So again check your facts and leave out the name calling or you'll get reported.
You haven't even figured out what you were wrong about, which is the reason you should check your facts
 
They create a narrative that they need to implement austerity measures, because that's what Laporta's main opponent is asking for. This has nothing to do with the conversations Barcelona are having with the players and their agents.
So let me get this straight, after FdJ agreeing to a wage cut or two already and having his pay deferred, you seem to think that Barca are absolutely right to demand he takes another cut, all whilst simultaneously bringing in Raphinha and Lewandowski on, presumably, big wages.

Even after Laptora says today, anyone who does not accept a renewal proposal under our terms can leave, you think that's fair? That's basically saying screw what we promised you, you ain't having that, you will cut your wages or you're gone
 
Supposedly the scouting structure was completely revamped 2 years ago with one of the Glazers bragging that they had a feck-ton of players in their database, etc.

But here we are.:(


So who could we realistically buy now who better than DeJong and would come?


The manager wants him for his system, if you got a ready made player their we could slot in for a cheaper price and at a club who do business better than Barca, would love to know who it is.

Top top quality aren't going on trees, no point buying for sake of buying, be running into same issues of a bloated squad again year or 2 down the line
 
So let me get this straight, after FdJ agreeing to a wage cut or two already and having his pay deferred, you seem to think that Barca are absolutely right to demand he takes another cut, all whilst simultaneously bringing in Raphinha and Lewandowski on, presumably, big wages.

Even after Laptora says today, anyone who does not accept a renewal proposal under our terms can leave, you think that's fair? That's basically saying screw what we promised you, you ain't having that, you will cut your wages or you're gone

The part you're getting wrong is here.
They shouldn't be asking De Jong to forgo his differed payments. However if Lewan was to sign it would be for max 16m euros a year which is less than the crazy contract Bartomeu gave De Jong at the last renewal. Its the reason Messi had to leave
They are in the mess they are in now partly because the previous management handed out unsustainable contracts and they are in the process of bringing everyone into a wage structure. Those they can't bring into that they would need to sell, else they probably in the long run go bust.
 
The part you're getting wrong is here.
They shouldn't be asking De Jong to forgo his differed payments. However if Lewan was to sign it would be for max 16m euros a year which is less than the crazy contract Bartemoue gave De Jong at the last renewal.
They are in the mess they are in now partly because the previous management handed out unsustainable contracts and they are in the process of bringing everyone into a wage structure. Those they can't bring into that they would need to sell, else they probably in the long wrong go bust.
Are we talking €16m gross or €16m net. Either way he'll be the highest paid at the club by all accounts, which is a slap in the face for all those who have to take pay cuts to stay in my opinion.
 
Are we talking €16m gross or €16m net. Either way he'll be the highest paid at the club by all accounts, which is a slap in the face for all those who have to take pay cuts to stay in my opinion.

No if De Jong stays on his current deal he'll be on less than De Jong, and parity with Busquests and the likes
 
So let me get this straight, after FdJ agreeing to a wage cut or two already and having his pay deferred, you seem to think that Barca are absolutely right to demand he takes another cut, all whilst simultaneously bringing in Raphinha and Lewandowski on, presumably, big wages.

Even after Laptora says today, anyone who does not accept a renewal proposal under our terms can leave, you think that's fair? That's basically saying screw what we promised you, you ain't having that, you will cut your wages or you're gone
First of all, players are deferring wages, not losing them. Voluntarily. Laporta saying that is media/fanbase talk. In reality, players remain at the club as THEY CAN'T FORCE THEM TO LEAVE. Something that has been happening for many seasons now. Coutinho's multiple loans, Pjanic, etc.

Frenkie is OBVIOUSLY fine with all of that as he is likely not just not losing money but actually earning more later. Otherwise, him and the rest of the players, wouldn't have agreed to the deals.

On top, he is CONSTANTLY being quoted saying he wants to stay there as it's his dream club and enjoy himself there. Does that sound like the modern day slave Cristiano circa 2008?
 
First of all, players are deferring wages, not losing them. Voluntarily. Laporta saying that is media/fanbase talk. In reality, players remain at the club as THEY CAN'T FORCE THEM TO LEAVE. Something that has been happening for many seasons now. Coutinho's multiple loans, Pjanic, etc.

Frenkie is OBVIOUSLY fine with all of that as he is likely not just not losing money but actually earning more later. Otherwise, him and the rest of the players, wouldn't have agreed to the deals.

On top, he is CONSTANTLY being quoted saying he wants to stay there as it's his dream club and enjoy himself there. Does that sound like the modern day slave Cristiano circa 2008?
Cristiano Ronaldo claims he will stay at Manchester United
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Your facts are still wrong because the end goal isn't just about registering shiny new toys on big money. So again check your facts and leave out the name calling or you'll get reported.
You haven't even figured out what you were wrong about, which is the reason you should check your facts

ok, so they've deferred payments on de jongs contract, they've asked him to take a pay cut. They can't afford to pay him his deferred payments. They owe countless other players deferred payments (presumably can't afford those either)

all of this is going on while their currently trying to sign Raphina, Bernardo Silva, Lewandowski. Shiny new toys, I realise their sole aim isn't to reduce wage bill for new signings but they're still doing it.

apologies for name calling
 
First of all, players are deferring wages, not losing them. Voluntarily. Laporta saying that is media/fanbase talk. In reality, players remain at the club as THEY CAN'T FORCE THEM TO LEAVE. Something that has been happening for many seasons now. Coutinho's multiple loans, Pjanic, etc.

Frenkie is OBVIOUSLY fine with all of that as he is likely not just not losing money but actually earning more later. Otherwise, him and the rest of the players, wouldn't have agreed to the deals.

On top, he is CONSTANTLY being quoted saying he wants to stay there as it's his dream club and enjoy himself there. Does that sound like the modern day slave Cristiano circa 2008?

That's why they are trying to force him to sign up for something totally different..... right cos he's going to earn more money they are so kind this Barcelona.
 
However if Lewan was to sign it would be for max 16m euros a year which is less than the crazy contract Bartomeu gave De Jong at the last renewal.

Lewandowski makes 24 million Euro at Bayern, I don't believe he will accept a 33% pay cut just to play for Barcelona.
 
ok, so they've deferred payments on de jongs contract, they've asked him to take a pay cut. They can't afford to pay him his deferred payments. They owe countless other players deferred payments (presumably can't afford those either)

all of this is going on while their currently trying to sign Raphina, Bernardo Silva, Lewandowski. Shiny new toys, I realise their sole aim isn't to reduce wage bill for new signings but they're still doing it.

apologies for name calling

Yet, not until they sell the 15% of TV rights which will raise 400m euros. Part of which will be used to fund transfers and part of which will be used to pay what they owe.
However if they leave players on crazy contracts they will be in the same situation in a few years time.
 
First of all, players are deferring wages, not losing them. Voluntarily. Laporta saying that is media/fanbase talk. In reality, players remain at the club as THEY CAN'T FORCE THEM TO LEAVE. Something that has been happening for many seasons now. Coutinho's multiple loans, Pjanic, etc.

Frenkie is OBVIOUSLY fine with all of that as he is likely not just not losing money but actually earning more later. Otherwise, him and the rest of the players, wouldn't have agreed to the deals.

On top, he is CONSTANTLY being quoted saying he wants to stay there as it's his dream club and enjoy himself there. Does that sound like the modern day slave Cristiano circa 2008?
I love how you're so sure about all that. Do you have some inside knowledge or just pure speculation like the rest of us.

But how do you know that Frenkie saying he wants to stay is media/fanbase talk? How do you know he's not just saying that go keep the fans happy should his move not go ahead? If Laporta can lie to the fans, so can Frenkie, or does it only go one way
 
Lewandowski makes 24 million Euro at Bayern, I don't believe he will accept a 33% pay cut just to play for Barcelona.

He'll get a longer contract which means he'll make the same over the length of the contract and he'll get a sign-on bonus also.
16m is the reported figure
 
So who could we realistically buy now who better than DeJong and would come?


The manager wants him for his system, if you got a ready made player their we could slot in for a cheaper price and at a club who do business better than Barca, would love to know who it is.

Top top quality aren't going on trees, no point buying for sake of buying, be running into same issues of a bloated squad again year or 2 down the line
Obviously, this is the job of the scouting department.

The Caf has been throwing out midfielders for the last 2-3 years, in no particular order, Ndidi, Rice, Phillips, Camavinga, Partey, Bissouma, Saul, Tonali, Sangare….

‘My point is, if FDJ is the only player in world football who can run Ten Hag’s system, then we’re in a very difficult spot because he may stay at Barca. If he doesn’t come, hopefully there’s a plan B.
 
The part you're getting wrong is here.
They shouldn't be asking De Jong to forgo his differed payments. However if Lewan was to sign it would be for max 16m euros a year which is less than the crazy contract Bartomeu gave De Jong at the last renewal. Its the reason Messi had to leave
They are in the mess they are in now partly because the previous management handed out unsustainable contracts and they are in the process of bringing everyone into a wage structure. Those they can't bring into that they would need to sell, else they probably in the long run go bust.
De Jong earned 3mil and 6mil after signing the goodwill contract for COVID relief of Barca. How much is his original salary? My understanding is that 18mils starting this new season includes those deferred salary. If so, the contract might not be that crazy? I probably miss something here?
 
De Jong earned 3mil and 6mil after signing the goodwill contract for COVID relief of Barca. How much is his original salary? My understanding is that 18mils starting this new season includes those deferred salary. If so, the contract might not be that crazy? I probably miss something here?

I don't believe that's correct, his original salary was 16m euros I believe
 

16m euros is less than the highest paid player, so it doesn't break the wage structure unless 16m is outside of it, which it isn't.
A salary breaking the wage structure means its way above the max paid
 
Yet, not until they sell the 15% of TV rights which will raise 400m euros. Part of which will be used to fund transfers and part of which will be used to pay what they owe.
However if they leave players on crazy contracts they will be in the same situation in a few years time.

They're in the situation now, why do they keep signing players if they can't afford to pay the ones they've already got what they're due?
 
They're in the situation now, why do they keep signing players if they can't afford to pay the ones they've already got what they're due?

They haven't actually signed anyone yet except 2 players on free transfers, and the reason is that they don't have the funds yet.
 
They haven't actually signed anyone yet except 2 players on free transfers, and the reason is that they don't have the funds yet.
They're not playing for free, though. Demand reduced wages for your employees while further adding players should be straight out forbidden
 
16m euros is less than the highest paid player, so it doesn't break the wage structure unless 16m is outside of it, which it isn't.
A salary breaking the wage structure means its way above the max paid
It’s the structure that Alenany has implemented and obviously doesn’t include those already at the club. As we’ve seen they are pressuring those above that to reduce.
 
I think it is correct

He is owed his differed payments and they are not included.
He was originally signed on 16m euros a year, the new contact is 18m basic with bonuses and he is still owed his differed payments.
Bartomeu gave him the contract as a reward for loyalty, which makes sense when you think about it, issue is they can't really afford it.
Even the original 16m a year was too high for De Jong because he isn't amoungst the clubs stars, but they did it thinking he eventually wound be and because they desperately wanted to beat PSG to him.

An example remember when we signed Sanchez on 400k, do you remember the issue that caused with contract renewals for other players?
 
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