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Cassidy said:
No one wants any of our players is it? Ok
If you really are not going to move from your offer. The other party needs to believe that. Right now they do not because we are still at the table
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Are you purposely not reading posts properly? Im referring to players on sale not the whole squad. Who wants wan bissaka? Only palace, and even that is a loan and us paying fees.

You think there's a queue for Martial and Jones? Have a word with yourself.
 
They know that Utd are desperate and our negotiators will dance around the asking price for the next month, before shitting themselves and paying what Barca want. We should go for a player, by agreeing our maximum offer before we bid and put a 2 week timescale on it. 1/2 bids then the final maximum bid, if these bids are not accepted by 2 weeks of the opening bid, end it. This is the only way forward imo to show selling teams we wont be taken to the cleaners every time.
 
Hoof The Ball said:
What happens between one rejected round of discussions and another? Always seems like it lasts a month. Whenever we make an offer and it's rejected, it's as though we're paralyzed by the rejection and in need of at least a week to recover mentally before plucking the courage to approach with an improved offer.
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60, no 85
Day 2, 65 no 85
Day 3, 70 no 85
Day 4, 75 no 85

Sounds like a great way to negotiate :lol:

You lot must be wank at poker.
 
VP89 said:
Are you purposely not reading posts properly? Im referring to players on sale not the whole squad. Who wants wan bissaka? Only palace, and even that is a loan and us paying fees.

You think there's a queue for Martial and Jones? Have a word with yourself.
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I did not mention only those players though when I made the comment about loaning/selling players so you need to have a word with yourself
 
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Cassidy said:
I did not mention only those players though when I made the comment and loaning/selling players so you need to have a word with yourself
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Who would you be referring to then? The players who aren't for sale? :lol:

feck it, lets go nuts and sell Rashford and Sancho and Bruno to speed up the purchases. And negotiate faster as you put it.
 
VP89 said:
Who would you be referring to then? The players who aren't for sale? :lol:

feck it, lets go nuts and sell Rashford and Sancho and Bruno to speed up the purchases. And negotiate faster as you put it.
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Yes thats the only players. We have a bloated squad with a bunch of players we who do not fit. Villareal are reportedly interested in Bailly. We want to loan Henderson but we could sell him instead. Sell McTominay, and replace him in the squad with Garner or Levitt there are options. Sell Lindelof, sell Pellstri, sell Amad list could go on

Clubs like Chelsea see this
 
Tavern in the town said:
You’re right. feck negotiation, let’s just get rinsed.
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Well that depends if you think 15m for the managers prime target, a highly rated central midfielder, amounts to being rinsed when weighed up against the frustration its supposedly causing Ten Hag and the time it takes from getting other targets in for pre season. I don't.
 
SER19 said:
Well that depends if you think 15m for the managers prime target, a highly rated central midfielder, amounts to being rinsed when weighed up against the frustration its supposedly causing Ten Hag and the time it takes from getting other targets in for pre season. I don't.
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Frustration :lol: Even if we sign him today, he will join on 8th July. I dont think ETH is that dumb to get frustrated over not signing a player he cant use anyway for next 3 weeks. That line was just written to get a reaction from internet fans and create more clicks. Nothing else
 
Cassidy said:
Yes thats the only players. We have a bloated squad with a bunch of players we who do not fit. Villareal are reportedly interested in Bailly. We want to loan Henderson but we could sell him instead. Sell McTominay, and replace him in the squad with Garner or Levitt there are options. Sell Lindelof, sell Pellstri, sell Amad list could go on

Clubs like Chelsea see this
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They'll say not right now, we'll wait until you're even more desperate, thanks.
 
Leftback99 said:
They'll say not right now, we'll wait until you're even more desperate, thanks.
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Yeah right. Somehow other clubs manage it. We on the other hand just like to hang on to deadwood
 
pratyush_utd said:
Frustration :lol: Even if we sign him today, he will join on 8th July. I dont think ETH is that dumb to get frustrated over not signing a player he cant use anyway for next 3 weeks. That line was just written to get a reaction from internet fans and create more clicks. Nothing else
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Do you not think planning the squad is harder if he doesnt know if FDJ will be in it or not? Do you not think thats the fraustration?
 
Hansi Fick said:
Two questions

1. Which performance since his Barca move did you ever witness that suggests he is an elite midfielder worth anywhere near the money that's been quoted? Rather than pretty mediocre and very overhyped?
2. Have you ever considered why Barca are so eager to get rid of him? Yes, they need to save the money - but to invest it in players that they deem worth it, quality-wise..
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These are good questions.
The 2nd is easier to answer. 350k a week for a midfielder is expensive basically. Theres dozens of reasons like Busquets still being quite good. Pedri will probably be expesnive to hold onto sooner than later. They can get a good transfer fee for him too, I think their keeper is their only other player that would get a fee over 50m. Pedri probably would too but his wages are probably relatively low. They need quality elsewhere.
The first is the tough question that we've failed at consistently over the last decade. That goes for us fans too - we were begging the club to get Pogba done every day for weeks and pay whatever it takes.
I think his individual quality is kind of easy enough to see, he's pretty unique, not entirely straightforward to make use of but he's clearly a talented player. I think Barcelona have frequently misused him or been undone by weaknesses elsewhere - he looked better at ajax and for holland but maybe this is a red flag like with pogba for juve and france. I could say we desperately need a player like him but that goes for close enough to every ability you need in a succesful football team so probably doesn't mean much. I'm wary of the signing to be honest, I think i am about every signing without exception these days but theres really obvious risks with this one.
I've jokingly been saying we should bid for de jong every time barcelonas money woes have come up pretty much since he signed for them, he kind of inherited Veratti's 'midfielder i'd love to have' daydream so part of me is excited and hopeful. I think he looks one of the more obvious candidates for this generations top tier midfielders along with Pedri, Kimmich and maybe Camavinga at a stretch (he's less obvious). You have to have some belief that things can work out and not be too pessimistic all the time, or at least the people running the club have to. Any type of player you care to mention we can offer an example of a similar kind of player failing at the club over the last 10 years.
I dont think its worth talking about fee's with a bayern supporter if im being blunt. Liverpool wouldn't sell to us but if we were to go for a player like Mane we wouldn't get him for less that 70m. We just exist in a different space financially.
 
Cassidy said:
Yes thats the only players. We have a bloated squad with a bunch of players we who do not fit. Villareal are reportedly interested in Bailly. We want to loan Henderson but we could sell him instead. Sell McTominay, and replace him in the squad with Garner or Levitt there are options. Sell Lindelof, sell Pellstri, sell Amad list could go on

Clubs like Chelsea see this
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Clubs aren't trying to buy Henderson because they cant afford him and his wages, bar Newcastle who haven't really pursued their interest further.

Also, you dont decide who gets sold, Ten Hag does. He has sat with Murtough weeks ago and the likes of Wan Bissaka, Henderson, Baily, Jones, Martial were established sells. But you cant force clubs to buy :lol:

You're just getting frustrated that there's no buyers. Its a weird gripe to have.
 
VP89 said:
Clubs aren't trying to buy Henderson because they cant afford him and his wages, bar Newcastle who haven't really pursued their interest further.

Also, you dont decide who gets sold, Ten Hag does. He has sat with Murtough weeks ago and the likes of Wan Bissaka, Henderson, Baily, Jones, Martial were established sells. But you cant force clubs to buy :lol:

You're just getting frustrated that there's no buyers. Its a weird gripe to have.
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We have no idea if there are no buyers actually. Also no my point was if you feel like you are having issues with the budget due to the price of an imperative target of it. You can actually reassess your sales list. Again this is what better run clubs do. You are acting like everything is rigid when it is not. You have to be able to react to situations are they unfold.

Many summers have passed where we have refused loans and sales because they are to apparent rival clubs. Pretty sure we could sell Henderson if we wanted to if hes going on loan its because we do not.

Again proof is in how other clubs operate, we are not good at selling and it isn't just because no one is interested.
 
Cassidy said:
We have no idea if there are no buyers actually. Also no my point was if you feel like you are having issues with the budget due to the price of an imperative target of it. You can actually reassess your sales list. Again this is what better run clubs do. You are acting like everything is rigid when it is not. You have to be able to react to situations are they unfold.
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There may be buyers later but not currently. We do know that because its not reported by the journalists who get briefed on advanced negotiations. So you're basically saying we should sell faster even though no one is biting at the moment. Makes sense.
Cassidy said:
Many summers have passed where we have refused loans and sales because they are to apparent rival clubs. Pretty sure we could sell Henderson if we wanted to if hes going on loan its because we do not
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Under the old regime, yes.
Saying youre pretty sure we can sell Henderson? Really? You know hardly any clubs need a keeper right now outside of Forrret right, and then we enter loan deal territory. You cant just make up transfers in your head.
 
VP89 said:
There may be buyers later but not currently. We do know that because its not reported by the journalists who get briefed on advanced negotiations. So you're basically saying we should sell faster even though no one is biting at the moment. Makes sense.

Under the old regime, yes.
Saying youre pretty sure we can sell Henderson? Really? You know hardly any clubs need a keeper right now outside of Forrret right, and then we enter loan deal territory. You cant just make up transfers in your head.
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Southampton just signed a keeper, Ajax had one leave this summer. The market doesnt only exist in England.

Newcastle are looking for a keeper as we speak.

One of the reasons we struggle to sell is that we do not have a market players with links in the market (or in other words a DOF/Sporting director) this is how clubs like Chelsea tap into the market and make deals happen. It remains to be seen what we can do this summer, but I am not saying things cannot be done, its you that is
 
Cassidy said:
Southampton just signed a keeper, Ajax had one leave this summer. The market doesnt only exist in England.

Newcastle are looking for a keeper as we speak.

One of the reasons we struggle to sell is that we do not have a market players with links in the market (or in other words a DOF/Sporting director) this is how clubs like Chelsea tap into the market and make deals happen. It remains to be seen what we can do this summer, but I am not saying things cannot be done, its you that is
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Chelsea is an odd example, given that before the quickie sale they were being run by Marina Granovskaia (Romans personal assistant prior to this role) and Bruce Buck (an American lawyer specialising in mergers and acquisitions).

Interesting that they have all of these football contacts to tap into the market.
 
Cassidy said:
Do you not think planning the squad is harder if he doesnt know if FDJ will be in it or not? Do you not think thats the fraustration?
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No, not at all. Why would a manager allow himself to be frustrated a week or so into a window? These guys know the business and how it works and that things aren't guaranteed. They're also more informed so I don't think they operate in this state of panic that some on here do. He'll be getting on with other aspects of his job.
 
phelans shorts said:
Chelsea is an odd example, given that before the quickie sale they were being run by Marina Granovskaia (Romans personal assistant prior to this role) and Bruce Buck (an American lawyer specialising in mergers and acquisitions).

Interesting that they have all of these football contacts to tap into the market.
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Emenalo was there before who built the links actually. Granovskaia took over from him once relationships had been built and established
 
Abraxas said:
No, not at all. Why would a manager allow himself to be frustrated a week or so into a window? These guys know the business and how it works and that things aren't guaranteed. They're also more informed so I don't think they operate in this state of panic that some on here do. He'll be getting on with other aspects of his job.
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I don’t know ask the managers who have publicly said so
 
Cassidy said:
I don’t know ask the managers who have publicly said so
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Who is saying that they are currently frustrated?

Even if they are, clearly the club can't operate to avoid a managers frustration inside a week. That isn't a reasonable parameter.
 
Abraxas said:
Who is saying that they are currently frustrated?

Even if they are, clearly the club can't operate to avoid a managers frustration inside a week. That isn't a reasonable parameter.
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Pretty sure managers do not sit down with clubs and discuss targets the day the window opens. Pretty sure clubs don't start the work then either.
 
Cassidy said:
Pretty sure managers do not sit down with clubs and discuss targets the day the window opens. Pretty sure clubs don't start the work then either.
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I never said that they did. What I was interested in was the evidence for them being frustrated because you've presented a view that to me is out of proportion with the situation as we stand.

There's little to substantiate it which I guess is why you've swerved it, just the odd dodgy article from the likes of The Mirror. Can't find much on other managers either.
 
Abraxas said:
I never said that they did. What I was interested in was the evidence for them being frustrated because you've presented a view that to me is out of proportion with the situation as we stand.

There's little to substantiate it which I guess is why you've swerved it, just the odd dodgy article from the likes of The Mirror. Can't find much on other managers either.
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The last tweet shared from the Athletic in here is the evidence. As for our previous managers go back to the pre season press conferences.
 
Cassidy said:
I don’t know ask the managers who have publicly said so
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are we talking about the same Chelsea who have dozens of players on loan at any one time? Henderson is clearly on the market, but we want 35m plus for him, and he has abig contract, who can afford that? Ajax can’t, the only club realistically would be real, the top 6-8, including Newcastle? Who are showing themselves to be pretty smart so far.
Bailly no one has shown interest in, other than a loan, all our other dead wood no one wants as our wages are ridiculous. Unfortunately it’s a problem we created. A problem based on “retaining the value” of deadwood. My guess this might actually be creative accounting somewhere. That is we have jones as an asset on our books worth like £30m, if we just get rid of all these our accounts probably show a loss of £250m plus
 
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