Negotiating is always the best strategy no matter what your budget is.
Frenkie de Jong | The last muppeting lap
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So according to Richard Arnold, we have people in Barcelona sorting out a deal for De Jong.
"United officials are in Barcelona getting the deal done for De Jong" & "everyone is working all day & all night to get it over the line, I haven't slept in the last few days"
This is according to protesters who rallied in his local pub before heading to his house, but Arnold met them at the pub and bought them beers.
"United officials are in Barcelona getting the deal done for De Jong" & "everyone is working all day & all night to get it over the line, I haven't slept in the last few days"
This is according to protesters who rallied in his local pub before heading to his house, but Arnold met them at the pub and bought them beers.
United has a transit team to help players settle in
Is this a piss take, City and PSG get players on the cheap? when?
Grealish 100m
Torres 40m
Ake 26m
Cancelo 56m
Rodri 58m
Random teenagers ever year 8-15m...
So when they swapped Cancelo for Danilo are you trying to tell Redcafe City paid £56m on top?
Until around 3 years ago City were notorious for not spending a penny over £50m for an individual player. We have broke that barrier many a time.
The lockers at Barcelona must be bloody massive. Frenkie has been clearing his out for 3 weeks now.
It wasnt a swap though, was it, they just sold and bought, unless you are getting into net spend bullshittery.
Danilo was sold for around 32m, Cancelo bought for 56m..
Claiming that you have a huge budget isn't a good negociation strategy. Ask Barcelona what happened once everyone knew their pockets were filled with Neymar's cash.
It has nothing to do with getting players cheap, it's because they target different profiles. KdB failed once in the PL before the got him, Rodri wasn't a very popular player etc. For sure, if you buy Sancho, a pretty popular prospect, Pogba who's crushing it in Italy, or this kind of players, the price tag is going to be very different.
Still, City spent 76M€ for KdB, 68M for Mahrez, 65M for Laporte, 63 for Rodri, there's nothing cheap there.
They sold and brought because Juventus love the good old assets on the accounts book trick.
But it was still a flipping swap deal. They paid x amount for Danilo and swapped him for another player. Do you really think Juventus had the funds to transfer £56m to Man City for one player. Get a grip.
They tried the same thing with Dybala and Lukaku and also famously with Arther and Bosnian who I can’t remember for some reason.
They would of sold Danilo for whatever price Juventus thought Cancelo was worth.
You said two example which hold no weight to the majority of their signings. KDB won German player of the year and was hot property. He wasn’t cheap, we was interested and would of have to spend similar fee’s which is why we probably didn’t pursue it. Rodri can’t lie didn’t know who he was but the price tag alone was expensive considering his reputation. So I really don’t get what point you are trying to make ?
The point I was making was they didn’t do the spending the majority of their budget on 1 player. It was spread evenly across their signings only until recently. When you could argue they can afford too. The only signed 1 player last summer right?
I was continuing the conversation about the original post claming that " Clubs know that PSG and City have a bottomless pit of money but they are still able to sign players for reasonable fees ".
Of course, but it takes more than a day to settle in. Ideally, Frenkie would be allowed a week or two.
Must be all the love letters ETH has been sending.
Okay no I agree.. if the point is they will still get their pants pulled down. However the reluctance of this has decreased which I think United are trying to do. It all about your reputation within football world. There’s a reason why Dortmund’s price ain’t United’s price.
Reckon he wouldn't say anything like that if there wasn't the expectation that it'll get done...
Is there a recording of that one?
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Amazing how Anderson looks better here compared to FDG. Just goes to show what a waste of talent Anderson was. If only he could stay fit and in shape.
Or two good players for one position. Why do so many people assume we have to play both together all of the time or the move makes no sense. Bruno needs competition and to be rotated so he's fresher come the end of the season.
Such an incredible talent he was. Shame how he failed to make the most of it. Could have been one of the best.
This is absurd. The rest of the conversation leaked is absurd too. Fans shouldn’t be posting this stuff.
Seems like he and Rangnick are doing their best in playing to the fans. The social media generation -- the constant need for affirmation.
This is why they never serve alcohol to officials at press conferences or official speaking functions. Loose lips. His very Woodward-esque comment just eroded whatever the transfer negotiation team is trying to achieve.
It's just dumb. Hope he makes up for it in other ways.
Either the deal is really close for De Jong or he just shot himself in the foot. Imagine Barca to have a stronger position now as CEO all over social media confirming money is there. Home its the former as latter can fire a CEO for making such claims in the middle of a negotiation going on for weeks.
So does anyone think that Barca don't know we can pay 85m for him? It has nothing to do with it, it's just a game of who gives in first. This will be 70 plus and everyone will come out triumphant. It's all about the image.
He didn't really give out much and most of those 200m budget quotes cannot be corroborated with actual video, safe to assume it's just people making up stuff or mishearing him. I think he handled the situation well for the most part and if his actions today is reflective of how he often is, then it's a bit reassuring to know someone like him is at the helm.
Yeah, my comment didn't really make sense anyway in regards to the other guys concern, but I agree with you. Eriksen would be great to rotate with Bruno. We've got some quality players but we're far too dependant on them because lack of depth
May sound like a conspiracy theory But maybe city is doing a lot of dodgy player deals involving unaccounted money especially for the agents commission.
No one knows whether Bruno would fit into ETH football or not. Personally I don’t see how he could fit his plan, but who knows. If ETH prefers other players, so be it. I don’t think it’s hard to sell Bruno for good price, as he has been largely outstanding in the league over past few years.
To be fair he did overpay some of their signings for inflated price like us, but they also get some bargains on cheap too.
For example, City bought Haaland for official price of 54m (maybe add another 30m for agent fee/adds on), and Alvarez for 15m. PSG gets Donnarumma and Wijnaldum for free. Those are some of their most recent signings.
Ragnick?
I think people sometimes exaggerate when talking about ETH philosophy. Bruno didn't have such a good season (who except DDG and CR7 did?) but he is still one of our best player. When you sign a new manager you can't expect to change the whole first team. Players have to adapt to the new system, but so do the managers. Plus we need quantity as well as quality
Plus, who knows how FDJ will fit into Premier League football if/when we get him
His pressers were a disaster.
He's one of our best for all the wrong reason just like donny wasn't for all the right reason.
In order to be a best player in a well functioning team you need to be able to master the basic and adds a sprinkle of flair. Basics like keeeping the ball, keeping possession, team positioning and everything else that made football a team sport.
At the moment our best players are those that can pull out things individually and that would matter little in ETH team.
So the jury would still be out on Bruno
Its stupid of him for sure, but I think his intention wasn’t bad. The fans should be better here IMO.
That said, i think we have this signing in the bag. He can’t have this out there and not get it done.
Bruno biggest weakest is keeping possession/involve in build up play, while his biggest strength is playing final ball in counter attack and scoring goals. ETH biggest strength is possession football with lots of control and build up play. No one knows for sure how well Bruno could adapt to new system which is totally opposite to his strength. But I'd say lets see.
Agree it was just very sloppy work on his part. Very rookie mistake.
Won't build confidence between the Glazers and him though. If he needs shit approved or to increase the budget, then this won't help.
Who is Richard Arnold?
the CEO of Manchester United.
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