you think they're gonna borrow over 700m euros and won't have to pay a penny back?
you're deluded.
Yes Im deluded that they are selling a stake in their business for a fee that they won’t need to pay back.
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Yes Im deluded that they are selling a stake in their business for a fee that they won’t need to pay back.
There it is ladies and gentlemen we wasted how many weeks on this now? pathetic
Jacque Talbot is a freelance football journalist. Reliable? Who knows.
Nothing is going to happen here until the last week of June.
Optimistic. Be surprised if anything has happened by August.
There what is pal? Old mate Frenkie has made it clear on multiple occasions now that he'd prefer to stay at Barca. Problem is whether or not Barca wants that
Dude, we ain't signing no one.....
No it’s more like taking huge a cash payout of 2-3 years of your pay, for half your future pay for the next 10 years. I can see why people confuse it with a loan, I’d argue it’s worse than a loan. As a loan would be a fixed amount per year, barca lose half of anything they might make
I didn't... I said from start it was a waste of time & we were repeating all the same mistakes as before.
I got vilified, so far I was spot on.
The only way I won't be pissed off with this snail paced transfer is if we end up signing him. If it ends up we've wasted over a month trying to convince him to join us only for him to stay at Barcelona or move elsewhere, it'll only put more weight into the argument that nothing has really changed at United. I guess we'll see.
So you're saying we will sign someone?
That’s the problem, Dejong wants to stay, Barca we’re waiting to sort out there financials this week and by the look of it they have a good chunk of it sorted so no need to sell, and united have wasted weeks to see what would happen. We go on Pre-Season in 3 weeks with nobody brought in yet, it’s just bad…blame and simple imo
Yes, a chinese player called No Guan
All makes sense.Sorry folks.. no new tweets in this post leading you all more astray but I’m still in the ‘Frenkie will sign for us’ club..
ETH knows this team needs a Frenkie and even he needs Frenkie to make something of this team if he wants to survive and even stay..
This is one of those signings where a single player can have a huge impact on how a team operates or functions..
Almost like Bruno for Ole when he arrived and took Pogba out of the equation in so many ways..
The extra bucks we may have to spend on Frenkie will all be worth it and ETH knows that.. United obviously won’t give in so early into the transfer window but we will get the player most likely..
He just doesn’t fit into Xavi’s system Regardless of how much extra funds they may have now and wouldn’t need to sell him bla bla bla
Haven’t been a part of the Caf too long but been following this club way too long and every summer there is always one marquee signing and Frenkie will be that for us..
Rest of the budget will revolve around this adjustment..
Mourinho did get Pogba wrong but initially he was supposed to be that game changer for him..
Ole was forced to get Maguire but that was never meant to be his marquee signing.. it was always Sancho for him but we kinda got him too late while also sacrificing a midfielder that he always wanted.. I do hold Ole accountable for a lot but he did get some things right and he may have gotten more right had he not been influenced by external factors (board/owners).. Ronaldo (a saving grace signing) and Maguire hampered our budget in many ways while Ole was here..
Even with Mourinho, sure he signed the wrong defenders initially but when he did ask for new ones, he wasn’t wrong. Even so far down the line we can still see what a joke Lindelof is and Bailly is just a afterthought if I’m terming it right..
Same issues will happen to ETH if crucial and pivotal changes are not made.. it’s vital for us to sign Frenkie no matter what it takes.. he’ll bring a sense of calmness and composure to everyone around him for starters.. then next couple windows we can look to sign players accordingly.. in the meantime many of our players will get to prove if they’re worth staking a claim for in the long run (Shaw, Fred, Maguire, Rashford, McT for starters)..
Edit: I had initially posted this as two diff posts in transfers thread by mistake but they were meant for the Frenkie thread so I deleted them and here we are..
I wouldn't be too bothered if Frenkie was the only player we bought and we integrated Hannibal and Garner into the match day squad and we kept Amad and Pelistri.
The guy is supposed to be a brilliant methodical coach with a high workrate and he demands the same from his players so if we even get that from the existing players it is going to be a massive improvement on last season.
Im talking about selling 49% of BLM not the TV rights part. Its a sale of a business it cannot be confused with a loan.
Btw the TV rights parts equates to up to 5% of their annual revenue
Of course we will sign people. Look forward to the oil tanker like neves
Bitcoin has a higher degree of recovering than us getting FDJ at this point.
Plus future income, that sounds like borrowing to payback in the future to me
Anyway, Mas que un club eh
I meant in more in a way that if it doesn't happen by the 1st of July, then it's not going to happen at all and we should move on. Reportedly, Barcelona need the money by the end of this month. A sale not going through would mean they are not strapped for cash and have no reason to sell him. I think the situation at Barcelona is heavily overblown. Dire, but it's not like they aren't the second biggest club in the world.
What does “outside the club” mean? Journalists? This forum? Dave on the street?
If you sell a stake in a business then naturally the future revenue of said business is no longer your own. That is not a loanPlus future income, that sounds like borrowing to payback in the future to me
Anyway, Mas que un club eh
Done, story over. 4 weeks wasted. Time so start scouting again and monitor players.
"Outside the club" means dickhead journalist making shite up.
if they want to buy players they still need to sell nothing has changed in that regard
We De Go again
Still think he will go to City/PSG over us, hopefully i’m wrong but I don't see him picking us over a stable team that offers CL football.
probably Donny who is whispering some things to certain people
Bored of this already. If we can’t get a deal done next week then move on, no point wasting any more time on this. Supposedly we’ve got alternatives lined up so let’s go and sign one of them.
Are you inside the clubs?
This seems like it's dead in the water to me to be honest. Deals like this seem to either get done surprisingly quickly or they tend to be protracted talks that span several transfer windows whilst everything is ironed out.
Really what is the hold up? United haggling over price doesn't paint a great picture to the player himself in terms of how much they actually want him, and doesn't get them any closer to a deal with the club.
Barca seem to be buying time because they're selling anything and everything they can commercially that isn't nailed down in order to keep hold of players, and they'll probably succeed and end up not needing to do this deal.
And if FDJ himself really wanted to move you figure there'd be more noise about him pushing this along, whereas it seems Barca are able to stall on this without any ramification.
Really what is the hold up? United haggling over price doesn't paint a great picture to the player himself in terms of how much they actually want him, and doesn't get them any closer to a deal with the club.
Barca seem to be buying time because they're selling anything and everything they can commercially that isn't nailed down in order to keep hold of players, and they'll probably succeed and end up not needing to do this deal.
And if FDJ himself really wanted to move you figure there'd be more noise about him pushing this along, whereas it seems Barca are able to stall on this without any ramification.
He is in "biggest club in world". And now they don't need to force him out.
Remember that tweet few days ago about us being calm because Barca are desperate for money?
Remember that tweet few days ago about us being calm because Barca are desperate for money?
Its a typical United big signing, this is how it always goes.
Barcelona desperation all over the place in all these tweets trying to save face and look like they don't need the money, drastic mess they are in and still need to sell, all about trying to get the best price possible.
The kids on 350k a week they make our wage management look reasonable.
The kids on 350k a week they make our wage management look reasonable.
I'm not really bothered with the news, it changes nothing.
Would really like him in our squad but either we sign him or we sign someone else, people are deluded if they think he's the only one we're talking to.
I know we are all fed up after the last season in particular but ease up on the doomsaying ffs, it got old weeks ago.
Would really like him in our squad but either we sign him or we sign someone else, people are deluded if they think he's the only one we're talking to.
I know we are all fed up after the last season in particular but ease up on the doomsaying ffs, it got old weeks ago.
There is no news. It’s a tweet citing an old quote. Theres been been radio silence on this deal for days which may be a good thing
This is what I am considering also.
When you think about it, any deal that is made the terms are usually fairly generic. £xyz up front, plus certain add ons etc. So it does make me wonder how these deals take so long. Are they talking on a daily basis? Do these conversations even need to last longer than 10 minutes?
When you think that teams get deals done within an afternoon on deadline day, it does make you wonder exactly what is going on behind the scenes of these long, drawn out transfer negotiations.
EDIT: I think we let it drag on at times so we can get the player to Manchester and shoot announcement videos etc. But I'd love to know what the negotiations consist of for the previous weeks/months. I miss the days where we would just announce a signing with 'more to follow' on the website, then the photos etc arrive in due course. This whole dramatic announcement stuff is cringeworthy.
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