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Frenkie to United?

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pocco said:
You really don't think we're capable of such a thing? Given what we've experienced over the last 10 years?! Come on.... There isn't a more likely club in the world then us to do such a thing. Di Maria, Ramos... You must remember? There's probably many more.
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You think United is the only club that this happens to? You only have to go back a couple of weeks -- Mbappe and Real Madrid?

It happens to everyone.

And people keep harping on about the past 10 years -- we have a new team in place -- new manager too.

Newsflash!! Edward Woodward has left the building.

Do you think there arent any lessons learnt? Only the fans or posters here know how to buy a player?

Unless you can provide some constructive ideas, its otherwise known as whinging. And one that seems to have afflicted a vast majority of people. What you stated has been said a thousand times in the last month. You must have cut & pasted tat statement -- if you haven't you should.

This window will be different since we have a new manager, DOF and a new philosophy. Its not cookie cutter solutions. Plus a WC that's in the middle of a season which screws up any planning on ETH's part for this very 1st season at United.
 
Don't think the barca cash influx means it's finished, but it certainly ended any hope of a bargain. There is no incentive to do a cut price deal now. The fact that fdj didn't push the move obviously slowed this down but now Barca will look for top price.

We might still get him, but the odds have dramatically collapsed. I thought he was a certainty, I just wasn't happy with his desire to stay. Now I think we could walk away if Barca feel confident to play hardball.
 
They need to sell, but I‘m starting to wonder whether we should do business with these feckers.

Laporta is asking the players to accept a 50% salary cut, while trying to sign big name players. He is obviously the sort of crazy that 3rd world dictators are.

They are trying to force us into overpaying for Frenkie. Time to move on to next target.
 
Mmm-Qatarian said:
I don't see why everyone is seeing that ffpolo update as a negative? The subtext is fairly obviously that, whilst Barca no longer need to sell De Jong to help avoid financial disaster, they'd still be willing to do so in order to bring in Bernardo Silva.
He's NOT saying "the deal is dead" at all.

Feels like some users only want to see the negative in anything at the moment.
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The deal is dead. Move on.
 
pre season starts 1 week 3 days time.

ETH said he wants a full pre season with the players.

I'm guessing he will have it in 2023 then
 
GinobiliTheGOAT said:
irrelevant:lol:

the amount of rubbish takes in this thread is astoundin. They’re still a big draw for marquee players. They’ve got some wonderful youth players, amongst the best in the world and are getting a top 3 player in Lewandowski potentially. Jesus
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How is it irrelevant?

You clearly don't realise just how bad Barcelona's finances are. They won't be at the top of world football for a long time.

Good luck keeping Pedri and Gavi when other clubs offer to double their wages :lol:
 
Adam-Utd said:
How is it irrelevant?

You clearly don't realise just how bad Barcelona's finances are. They won't be at the top of world football for a long time.

Good luck keeping Pedri and Gavi when other clubs offer to double their wages :lol:
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You are overstating how it effects their ability to compete because they are quite obviously still able to build a highly competitive squad
 
choccy77 said:
pre season starts 1 week 3 days time.

ETH said he wants a full pre season with the players.

I'm guessing he will have it in 2023 then
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Agree, could be famous last words by me :lol: , but if we are signing fdj, it won't be till well after the tour.

If we are trying to get Eriksen and Antony they should be priority now.
 
Cassidy said:
You are overstating how it effects their ability to compete because they are quite obviously still able to build a highly competitive squad
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Highly competitive? they just got stuffed by Frankfurt in the europa and came nowhere close to winning the league :lol:

It's not overstating anything. You are looking very short term, they are over 1 BILLION euros in debt.

Yes they will always have a history and 'pull', but if they are unable to compete financially then they won't be signing or keeping the top players in the world.

They'll have to go back to their routes and hope La Masia starts bearing fruit again, otherwise they won't get anywhere near Madrid in the future.

This agreement they are about to sign off on, effectively means that 50% of their income in the future will be owned by the banks. So whatever wage/transfer budget they will have left will be miniscule.

Without no star players like Messi to keep them afloat, where do you think the money will come from? They've got a new stadium to pay for also
 
Adnan said:
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Probably some truth into Barca trying to steer De Jong into leaving slowly still. He has a contract to 2026, playing at his dream club, in a city with sunny beaches and CL football in a league he prefers over England going off his old interviews. Even when they have poor season they still manage CL, there's no oil clubs taking up spots. Add what De Jong has said during this United move possibility it sounds commensurate to the situation between the parties. Barca would like to offload but don't want to upset the player if he ends up staying which is very likely. All depends on how Barca paint his future there and how much do they need to push him for other players whether United and Barca agree a fee or not.

De Jong has enough belief he can oust players, play enough and take advantage of injuries to others at Barca.
 
Adam-Utd said:
Highly competitive? they just got stuffed by Frankfurt in the europa and came nowhere close to winning the league :lol:

It's not overstating anything. You are looking very short term, they are over 1 BILLION euros in debt.

Yes they will always have a history and 'pull', but if they are unable to compete financially then they won't be signing or keeping the top players in the world.

They'll have to go back to their routes and hope La Masia starts bearing fruit again, otherwise they won't get anywhere near Madrid in the future.

This agreement they are about to sign off on, effectively means that 50% of their income in the future will be owned by the banks. So whatever wage/transfer budget they will have left will be miniscule.

Without no star players like Messi to keep them afloat, where do you think the money will come from? They've got a new stadium to pay for also
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I’m not looking short term at all the whole point of selling a stake in BLM and some of their TV revenue is to reduce their immediate debts and make them more servicable, whilst in the long term expanding BLM globally to increase its revenue long term. It seems you are just speaking from the point of view of not really knowing what they are doing to fix their issues.


And yes they had a poor season last year, I mean they lost Messi, but they have already improved the squad and if they can add Lewan and Kounde would make them contenders for titles next season.
 
Sorry folks.. no new tweets in this post leading you all more astray but I’m still in the ‘Frenkie will sign for us’ club..

ETH knows this team needs a Frenkie and even he needs Frenkie to make something of this team if he wants to survive and even stay..

This is one of those signings where a single player can have a huge impact on how a team operates or functions..

Almost like Bruno for Ole when he arrived and took Pogba out of the equation in so many ways..

The extra bucks we may have to spend on Frenkie will all be worth it and ETH knows that.. United obviously won’t give in so early into the transfer window but we will get the player most likely..

He just doesn’t fit into Xavi’s system Regardless of how much extra funds they may have now and wouldn’t need to sell him bla bla bla

Haven’t been a part of the Caf too long but been following this club way too long and every summer there is always one marquee signing and Frenkie will be that for us..

Rest of the budget will revolve around this adjustment..

Mourinho did get Pogba wrong but initially he was supposed to be that game changer for him..

Ole was forced to get Maguire but that was never meant to be his marquee signing.. it was always Sancho for him but we kinda got him too late while also sacrificing a midfielder that he always wanted.. I do hold Ole accountable for a lot but he did get some things right and he may have gotten more right had he not been influenced by external factors (board/owners).. Ronaldo (a saving grace signing) and Maguire hampered our budget in many ways while Ole was here..

Even with Mourinho, sure he signed the wrong defenders initially but when he did ask for new ones, he wasn’t wrong. Even so far down the line we can still see what a joke Lindelof is and Bailly is just a afterthought if I’m terming it right..

Same issues will happen to ETH if crucial and pivotal changes are not made.. it’s vital for us to sign Frenkie no matter what it takes.. he’ll bring a sense of calmness and composure to everyone around him for starters.. then next couple windows we can look to sign players accordingly.. in the meantime many of our players will get to prove if they’re worth staking a claim for in the long run (Shaw, Fred, Maguire, Rashford, McT for starters)..

Edit: I had initially posted this as two diff posts in transfers thread by mistake but they were meant for the Frenkie thread so I deleted them and here we are..:wenger:
 
Cassidy said:
I’m not looking short term at all the whole point of selling a stake in BLM and some of their TV revenue is to reduce their immediate debts and make them more servicable, whilst in the long term expanding BLM globally to increase its revenue long term. It seems you are just speaking from the point of view of not really knowing what they are doing to fix their issues.


And yes they had a poor season last year, I mean they lost Messi, but they have already improved the squad and if they can add Lewan and Kounde would make them contenders for titles next season.
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To be fair selling almost 50 percent of BLM and claiming it’ll help with expansion stinks of giving reasons why such a shitty deal isn’t as shitty as it really is. It isn’t something you can just decide to expand and make more money from. It’s not as if Barca have just been concentrating on the Spanish market for all these years.
 
cyberman said:
To be fair selling almost 50 percent of BLM and claiming it’ll help with expansion stinks of giving reasons why such a shitty deal isn’t as shitty as it really is. It isn’t something you can just decide to expand and make more money from. It’s not as if Barca have just been concentrating on the Spanish market for all these years.
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They mainly have though haven’t they. BLM is only 4 years old too
 
Cassidy said:
I’m not looking short term at all the whole point of selling a stake in BLM and some of their TV revenue is to reduce their immediate debts and make them more servicable, whilst in the long term expanding BLM globally to increase its revenue long term. It seems you are just speaking from the point of view of not really knowing what they are doing to fix their issues.


And yes they had a poor season last year, I mean they lost Messi, but they have already improved the squad and if they can add Lewan and Kounde would make them contenders for titles next season.
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It seems you're putting your head in the sand and thinking a short term loan will fix all their problems. Improved their squad? signing the likes of Kessie and Christensen? Lewandowski only happens if we sign De Jong. Kounde not a chance.

There is no such thing as a free lunch. Time will tell, but their shoestring budget isn't going to look very attractive like it used to be.
 
Adam-Utd said:
It seems you're putting your head in the sand and thinking a short term loan will fix all their problems. Improved their squad? signing the likes of Kessie and Christensen? Lewandowski only happens if we sign De Jong. Kounde not a chance.

There is no such thing as a free lunch. Time will tell, but their shoestring budget isn't going to look very attractive like it used to be.
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There is no short term loan, again understand whats going on first
 
Cassidy said:
They mainly have though haven’t they. BLM is only 4 years old too
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Yes but Nike had control of it before then. What Barca are basically saying is, somehow, Nike didn’t do a very good job at raking in money and they can not only do better but to do so that explains away selling almost half of their rights..a now Messi less Barca who are a shadow of what they were back when Nike were in control.
it’s propaganda mate
 
sewey89 said:
Christ.. if there’s anything that can have a negative spin, you can rely on @ehsanul to post it immediately :lol:
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Rozay said:
What’s funny is you guys are probably to new to the forum to remember @ehsanul ‘s reputation in the transfer forum about 12/15 years ago. He is actually the biggest transfer muppet the caf has ever seen, he was linking us to any tom dick and harry daily.
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Yeah he was once the king Muppet. Now he's crossed over to the other side.
 
cyberman said:
Yes but Nike had control of it before then. What Barca are basically saying is, somehow, Nike didn’t do a very good job at raking in money and they can not only do better but to do so that explains away selling almost half of their rights..a now Messi less Barca who are a shadow of what they were back when Nike were in control.
it’s propaganda mate
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Fair point.
 
Hoof The Ball said:
Well, Pereira is back, so, that's like a new signing, I suppose.
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Not to mention Donny, and he is Dutch, so same thing as De Jong really. Success, lets all go on holiday...!! :lol:
 
Are we signing only midfielders ? Are we not signing players for other positions ? If yes, then what’s the hold up ? If de Jong situation is getting delayed then why don’t we sign other targets? I don’t get it. Seems like we have difficulty in signing every player we want, i’m sorry but that can only be down to incompetence whether in terms of planning or acquisition or negotiation.
 
Plot twist: Barcelona actually want to sell De Jong for Sporting Reasons not just economical

I'm not saying we are signing a Barca Flop but he hasn't exactly smashed it there has he?! They have Pedri and Gavi as teenagers and "Press Resistant" (the new buzzword this summer) players who will become better than the Dutchman. De Jong is 26 soon.

maybe Frenkie will get it through his thick head one day his dream club Barcelona just don't rate him and want to sell him regardless as they prefer other players to sign. De Jong isn't as good as he thinks he is.

i don't even think Manchester United should be going for a marquee signing this summer when we need about 5-6 players in. Quantity over quality. More risky signings but potential to be the next De JONg like that Vitinha
 
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