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WPMUFC said:
dude is literally being sold against all his objections, his utter lack of any desire to play for us, his dream club turfing him to the curb to fund a player that is almost at the end of his career, and it was only a few pages ago the idea is mocked that we should be weary about the situation.

This place is weird sometimes. :lol: :wenger:
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Don't think anyone is being mocked for saying we should be weary, it's just that the constant comparison with one single player years ago that is tiresome. Also noone knows if he has an "utter lack of desire to play for us". All we know is that:

a) He prefer to stay at Barca and won't think about moving until the clubs tell him to pack his bags
b) United aren't exactly presenting the best sporting project at the moment (even if it's finally looking positive in terms of changes being made!), meaning every single player that has any ambition needs to do some due diligence before accepting an offer from United

Obviously would prefer if he was pushing for a move to us, but the reality is that we aren't in a position to wait for world class players to do so. So don't see anything wrong with his comments despite it contradicting us supporters' view that United is the pinnacle of football.
 
Rozay said:
He didn’t say he doesn’t want to play for us. He said he wants to play for Barcelona. So if Barcelona make that no longer an option, what do you propose he does? Retire?
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What did Demebele and Umtiti do when it was made clear to them that they were no longer wanted? Did they retire? No, they stayed at the club regardless.
 
nainaisson said:
What did Demebele and Umtiti do when it was made clear to them that they were no longer wanted? Did they retire? No, they stayed at the club regardless.
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Umtiti is a permacrock and probably doesn't have many strong suitors and it's not looking like Dembelé is pushing to stay is it?
 
ehsanul said:


Can we stop trying to buy players that doesnt want to come to us.
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It’s Ten hag mate. Ten hag wants him. Do you not want to back him ? Or you want the fans and board to undermine the manager before he even starts ?
 
I'm sure he will be professional if he has to leave.

He's made his intentions clear, if Barca still want to get rid of him then he will have to suck it up and move on.

We should obviously be a bit careful, but there's not many great options out there for the type of role ETH wants.
 
I have zero doubt he would prefer to stay at Barcelona.

I also have zero doubt that many of the players who excelled for us in the past would have preferred to be at Barca/Madrid as well.

Unfortunately for footballers, they don't get to choose to be at whatever club they want. That club has to actually want them there too. And, because this is professional sport and they're professional athletes, 99% adjust to not being able to play for the club they most want to play for.

The vast majority of players who leave clubs like Barca, Madrid, United, etc. would prefer to stay. It doesn't stop them then committing to or excelling at other clubs. Because if it did, the football industry would fall apart.

People massively overthink these things. Generally speaking if a player ends up signing for us, they will then be committed to doing as well as they can for us, as they will have deemed us the best of their available options. If you want something to love you unconditionally, get a dog.
 
nainaisson said:
What did Demebele and Umtiti do when it was made clear to them that they were no longer wanted? Did they retire? No, they stayed at the club regardless.
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And if that is what De Jong actually does, then we won’t have to worry about a player who ‘doesn’t want to play for us’ playing here - because he won’t be playing for us!

As you have pointed out, he has the right to stay anyway, so if he doesn’t exercise that right and instead chooses to leave and join Manchester United, that would clearly mean that given the circumstances he finds himself in, he has decided that the best option for his career is to join us. If he doesn’t want to play for United, then he simply won’t.
 
Adam-Utd said:
I'm sure he will be professional if he has to leave.

He's made his intentions clear, if Barca still want to get rid of him then he will have to suck it up and move on.

We should obviously be a bit careful, but there's not many great options out there for the type of role ETH wants.
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could get dicey if we stump up a big fee and he just doesn't perform for ETH. ETH won't hesitate to drop him and then we will see just what changes have really been made behind the scenes.
 
People actually think top players should be begging to play for United :lol: Have you been in a coma the last 10 years?
 
sullydnl said:
I have zero doubt he would prefer to stay at Barcelona.

I also have zero doubt that many of the players who excelled for us in the past would have preferred to be at Barca/Madrid as well.

Unfortunately for footballers, they don't get to choose to be at whatever club they want. That club has to actually want them there too. And, because this is professional sport and they're professional athletes, 99% adjust to not being able to play for the club they most want to play for.

The vast majority of players who leave clubs like Barca, Madrid, United, etc. would prefer to stay. It doesn't stop them then committing to or excelling at other clubs. Because if it did, the football industry would fall apart.

People massively overthink these things. Generally apeaking if a player ends up signing for us, they will then be committed to doing as well as they can for us. If you want something to love you unconditionally, get a dog.
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But don't you think if Utd interest was that close to signing him then he wouldn't have said those things to the media.I feel Utd interest and Barca willing to sell have been overblown in the media.
 
Lynty said:
People actually think top players should be begging to play for United :lol: Have you been in a coma the last 10 years?
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there's a massive difference between "begging for MUFC" and a player saying "well if my only options are not playing football again, and playing football...i guess i'll play football"

stop with the extreme ends of the spectrum. it's completely normal to be weary about the intent of player that obviously does not want to join us.
 
"He doesn't want to come to united"
Who in his right senses would ?
Let's stop behaving like all players should tremble at the name of the club,if there's one thing I see in him it's commitment, for every di maria there's a hiererra
 
Feel a little bit sorry for him. Getting pushed out of his dream club due to the dire mismanagement under the previous administration.

He's probably better staying quiet for now because wherever he does end up he's got to look remotely happy to be there.

I guess the one thing we can say is that at the very least Erik will get the best out of him. So whether he wants to leave or not, at least he's going to a place where the coach understands him and will build around him.
 
WPMUFC said:
could get dicey if we stump up a big fee and he just doesn't perform for ETH. ETH won't hesitate to drop him and then we will see just what changes have really been made behind the scenes.
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That's football though isn't it? ETH knows enough about him and their relationship seems good.

We don't know whether he will excel in the PL, but there is no reason he won't. It just depends whether his heart/head will be in it.

Perhaps he will be a bit upset to begin with, but he seems a good/professional player, i'm sure he will try his hardest.
 
Pirlo'sBeard said:
Stay well clear.

He's getting forced out of Barca and has no interest in playing for United.
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United must not hold absolute, unchallengeable, overbearing principles in the mercato during a critical revamp, and should steer clear only if an individual has nooo interest in playing for us and would rather join some other club (like Di María with Paris Saint-Germain, though in his case there were other aggravating factors to compound the problem after that fact). Frenkie is a professional footballer — not a semi-amateur who is solely motivated by his whims and fantasies, and if the hierarchy of Barcelona is intent on offloading him for financial reasons, he will turn the page and focus on the club that signs him (the chance of a reunion with the coach who made him the lynchpin of his team and extracted the best performances out of him at Ajax even gives us a personalized edge over many of the other potential suitors). Consider Robben for a relevant example: didn't want to leave Madrid in the summer of 2009, but turned out to be one of the most astute signings of the modern era for Bayern Munich (who took a calculated risk during the post-Klinsmann reconfiguration with van Gaal at the helm, and were handsomely rewarded in the ensuing decade):
Real Madrid have warned Arjen Robben that they are prepared to leave him out of their squad next season if he refuses to leave the club this summer. The club's director general, Jorge Valdano, has admitted: "It would be better if Robben listened to the offers coming in for him." And it has now emerged that he has threatened the Dutchman with the possibility of being banished to the stands in a World Cup year if he insists on staying. Robben risks being left without a squad number and not being registered for La Liga or the Champions League. The central reason for wanting to sell Robben is financial, as Madrid seek to recoup some of the money spent on Cristiano Ronaldo and Kaka and to raise cash to make more signings this summer. That has left Madrid looking to offload as many as nine current players and Robben is top of the list. He is the one expendable player for whom Madrid believe they can command a major fee.
Real Madrid threaten to sideline Arjen Robben if he does not leave.
 
Surely these comments reinforce that will likely be on the move. When a player knows for sure he isn't leaving, they are very emphatic about shutting down the rumors. He probably doesn't want to move, but if he's being pushed out, he will have to move.
 
Adam-Utd said:
That's football though isn't it? ETH knows enough about him and their relationship seems good.

We don't know whether he will excel in the PL, but there is no reason he won't. It just depends whether his heart/head will be in it.

Perhaps he will be a bit upset to begin with, but he seems a good/professional player, i'm sure he will try his hardest.
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agree, my post was less about him and more focused on that this could be a good test case to see if we genuinely have had some back room / club level changes if the worst was to occur.
 
King7Eric said:
Surely these comments reinforce that will likely be on the move. When a player knows for sure he isn't leaving, they are very emphatic about shutting down the rumors. He probably doesn't want to move, but if he's being pushed out, he will have to move.
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I think it's as obvious to him as it is to us. If Barca are going to sell to fund transfers, he knows he's a dead man walking. But if there is another way around it for Barca, there is no chance in hell that we will get him.
 
WPMUFC said:
there's a massive difference between "begging for MUFC" and a player saying "well if my only options are not playing football again, and playing football...i guess i'll play football"

stop with the extreme ends of the spectrum. it's completely normal to be weary about the intent of player that obviously does not want to join us.
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Where did he say that?
 
People need to understand that 'prefers to stay at Barcelona' and 'doesnt want to play for united' are not two fully overlapping circles..
 
Move on to other targets now. We can't afford to wait around this market. We need the squad to be ready for the season, and need players that want to come here. Can't afford to have a high budget passenger again.
 
Much like Xavi there's a lot of appeasing the Barca fans going on here so when he's sold neither Xavi or FDJ look like they forced it
 
BarstoolProphet said:
Where did he say that?
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Frenkie: "Well.. I prefer to stay at Barcelona. I said this before, Barcelona is the club of my dreams ever since I was little." • And if other clubs call, then you will take the call? Frenkie: "Well, yes. But you always do that."
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That is a statement that you have to obviously entertain other offers if you're sold. He's not talking about talking to every club that comes sniffing is he? So if he's sold, what are his options? Never play again or entertain other offers. Simple.
 
Just stop wasting time and move on ffs.

United arent the draw they once were. He clearly doesn't want to come here and he'd be on huge wages.

We will just end up with another high earning player that's not committed.
 
Take De Gea, as an example. He obviously wanted to join Real Madrid. He agreed a deal to join Real Madrid. Which given that also meant being able to return to his hometown and be with his girlfriend, was obviously a fairly major thing for him and you can imagine his chagrin when the deal fell through.

Yet immediately after that he signed a new contract, captained United for the first time, went on to be our POTY that very season, ultimately stayed for seven years and counting and will almost certainly end up being the goalkeeper with the most appearances in the history of our club.

That's professional football.

If De Jong wants to stay but is pushed out, he'll be dissappointed. But he'll get over it, as footballers do. And whichever club signs him will benefit.
 
We would be mad to spend £70m+ along with what I assume would be £350k+ on wages for someone who doesn't want to play for us. We have never been able to really compete when it comes to players wanting to go to RM and Barca etc and now we really can't on any level other than wages. The shine of wages very quickly dull so if a player doesn't want to be here then they won't give 100%. We don't need another player on silly wages who wants out.
 
Tbh i'm not sure what else people expect him to say.

He says himself the club haven't informed him of anything, they haven't said he has to leave.

Why would he start making noises to join another club when to him there is no possibility of that?

He says afterwards I'm not even thinking of it as the option hasn't arisen. He's just being smart and sitting on the fence.
 
Adam-Utd said:
Tbh i'm not sure what else people expect him to say.

He says himself the club haven't informed him of anything, they haven't said he has to leave.

Why would he start making noises to join another club when to him there is no possibility of that?

He says afterwards I'm not even thinking of it as the option hasn't arisen. He's just being smart and sitting on the fence.
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I disagree completely. Saying barca is my dream club and preference is to stay is not sitting on the fence. It's explicitly stating he doesn't want to move.

He could have said a generic " I love it here, but you never know what the future is. "
 
Berbaclass said:
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Is this something that we haven't known yet? Everyone knows Barcelona is his dream club from childhood. We all know about the nature of De Jong's situation.

I take that as a nothing tweet. De Jong was being diplomatic, with a hint of stating his love for Barca again to not burn bridges with the fans. It's nothing to get excited about, but it's also nothing to get freaked out for. I look at it just as it is: A young player thought he had "made it" to his dream club and assumed he would retire there, only to be hit with the harsh reality of the football world. Now the next few days are decisive to his career. He is basically pledging Barca to get their acts together because he loves being there. If they still do not have any other financial solutions, he'd have to accept the situation and move on (Or retire, if he feels he has had enough football for life). Do you think Rooney wanted to leave Manchester United, or Lampard wanted to leave Chelsea when they did? Yet they still "moved on" with their careers, and they were much closer to their retiring age than De Jong.

Let's leave Di Maria aside for a moment, this situation reminds me a bit of Carlos Tevez. He clearly loved United while being here (Even winning the double with us) but then we did not really prioritize buying him. At least not determined enough to get him like City. Does that stop Tevez from playing his parts at City? These ones are professional players playing for a career, not us average fans who look at things from an emotional perspective.

To be frank, the board meeting of Barcelona and their official statement interest me much more than this De Jong interview filled with diplomacy.
 
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dannyrhinos89 said:
Just stop wasting time and move on ffs.

United arent the draw they once were. He clearly doesn't want to come here and he'd be on huge wages.

We will just end up with another high earning player that's not committed.
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never gets old reading wild assumptions based on other human beings personalities
 
We should be informing Barca we are moving on here. Even if we are still keen, it's just better business to act as though we don't want a player who clearly wants to be there.

Leave the ball in their court. If they want to piss off and alienate their player we can swoop in then and be the hero. Should be able to negotiate a better price as well.
 
WPMUFC said:
That is a statement that you have to obviously entertain other offers if you're sold. He's not talking about talking to every club that comes sniffing is he? So if he's sold, what are his options? Never play again or entertain other offers. Simple.
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I feel that is a very dramatic interpretation of what he said, but each to their own. If he were to leave Barcelona then I'm sure that he will have a few suitors lined up. If he then decides to join us then you can't exactly say he has an "utter lack of any desire to play for us". If he opts to join another club or play for free for his dream club then it won't be our problem either.
 
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