My peepee is tingling. Does that count?
Frenkie de Jong | The last muppeting lap
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My peepee is tingling. Does that count?
This is the problem isn't it. Who are the two "decent" midfielders you're getting for £35 million each? What did Fred cost?
None.
Thats why we have a thread of 133 pages from which at least 100 pages are a discussion about his position.
Frenkie really is unique and does not compare to other midfielders.
Absolute nonsense. Having players who actually want to be at your club is not important at all. Why would that matter?
He's not coming. Move on.
Jorginho sits deeper and doesn’t have the ability to dribble with the ball.
De Jong is probably more comparable to someone like Kovacic. Maybe a bit of Verratti too, though the latter is a more insightful passer.
That’s literally everything we don’t want though. He will have no alternative but to come to us.
we need players that want to be here.. not because it’s their only option. Literally don’t care how good they are.
I think that playing for Man Utd is still more of a draw than you make it sound. It is also a really unique opportunity to improve your reputation as even half decent performances will be hailed here at present.
What did Kante cost? What did thiago cost? What did Jude Bellingham cost? We’re always getting robbed of teams and bent over that’s why we always overpay… it’s always been the same for us. If we used our scouting team proper then there are loads of players out there who’ll cost fairly cheap and will do a decent job… the trouble is everyone’s wants the well known superstars and the big names. We need to be smart about the players we sign… there’s a guy from mgladbach called kone who’s a cm, looks quality and I reckon he’ll be cheaper then 35m
Because if he doesn’t want to play for the club he won’t join. What you’re saying is we should stop trying to convince him because he’s hesitant to the idea of leaving Barca. If we only sign players that don’t need convincing we won’t improve the team that much. The best players have the option of playing in the cl so they will need convincing.
Damn, if thats the case i can see why theres so much excitement. We obviously made a mistake in not pursuing luka hard enough when he was at spurs. Lets hope we get a better outcome with FDJ.
Thats really interesting.None.
Thats why we have a thread of 133 pages from which at least 100 pages are a discussion about his position.
Frenkie really is unique and does not compare to other midfielders.
Thanks. Sounds like a player whos difficult to piegon hole. Im intrigued byt remain sceptical of him signing until it actually happens. Been burnt too many times.
This is the chance. Frenkie must be sold by Barcelona and players like this don’t become available often. He wants to stay, but has not been used correctly there and is not treated the same as the Spanish players. I’d pack my bags.
He well may go to City, how would you feel for not going for him then? Pretty stupid right?
He well may go to City, how would you feel for not going for him then? Pretty stupid right?
It is nonsense to conclude that a player that doesn't sign within 5 minutes does not want to be at the club. If a player thinks about it 6 weeks and then signs, it means the player has decided he wants to be at the club. Otherwise the player would not sign.
Maybe if a player signs at the last day of the transfermarket you can argue that a player didnt really want to move but felt like he did not have a choice. However a player taking some time to think about an offer in the beginning of the transfer window absolutely doesnt mean that he doesn't want to make the move. If Frenkie doesn't want the move he won't sign now and he won't sign in 2 months. If he does sign in a few weeks time it means his decision is that he wants it.
It baffles me that people fail to understand this. Players are not fans that dream to play for the club their whole life. It's a carreer for them, work (best possible job) and they have every right to think about a move being right for their carreer or not and a move being right for their family or not.
I think he’s perfect in a ‘pivot’ (bleurgh). He defends decently but his best assets are taking the ball from the edge of his own half and driving the ball a good 10-15 yards with his dribbling ability. He’s also someone who will average a lot of passes a game; particularly lots of give and go short passes to circulate possession.
He’d offer a lot to our very stagnant central midfield who really struggle to impose themselves with the ball at their feet.
You can’t fault DVB for his workrate. Like, Donny, Frenkie he will give it his all when he plays. He does at Barcelona, every game, good or not so good.
He will be used correctly by ETH, I would not worry about that. I’m more worried about other players having to learn new things and not being able to.
He will be used correctly by ETH, I would not worry about that. I’m more worried about other players having to learn new things and not being able to.
And handsomely rewarded with bumper contracts
I'd be surprised if United signed him this summer.
I'd be surprised if we didn't sign him this summer!
He is coming. Be patient.
Yeah but the moment we call a club to buy a player the price of that player increases dramatically. Kone might be 35M for other clubs but for us the fee they'll be asking is 50M. If you want the club to spend only 35M on one player you need a 20M value player, because every club is gonna just tack on more money to it. Until the club shows for an extended amount of time we're not gonna be fleeced they'll keep doing it. In which case our project goes from 2-3 years to 4-5.
I didn't imply anything as I already said.
Again gave you an example. Klopp wanted Brandt, the club preferred Salah. Its not a catch all sometimes the manager is only thinking about players he has previously coached, which doesn't make said player the best available.
Again I am not talking about this specific case of De Jong
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How could you possibly know that? only reports are that at first he said he wanted champions league but he has since spoken to Ten Hag, which could of changed his mind. It would be a bit weird if he immediately wanted to join us off the back of last season anyway.
If he signs it's because both He and the club want it. Whether he wants to leave Barca is another issue, which is seemingly out of his control
Yeah feel exactly the same way
Yeah no doubt we would need a DM too, feel more confident we want both a DM and CM after Whitwell's article
Barca offering De Jong to Bayern in exchange for Gnabry and Lewandowski
That doesn’t help Barca though I don’t think. They need cash
We offer more money in wages than most other clubs around. That's why we got all those lazy unmotivated bums who came here to pack our dressing room with their big fat contracts. Feck these FDJ type who care more about their ambitions and football. That's not the United way.
I'll get excited when we get the briefing with the phrase "subject to medical" in it. I've retired from transfer muppetism.
I’d describe him as Jorginho with Kovacic’s dribbling ability.
If you go back a page someone posted a video of De Jong in Netherlands v Germany and when played in his best position he comes very deep to dictate the play, combined with nice driving runs and clever passes in the middle / final thirds.
Hopefully with leodowski pushing hard for a move to Barcelona, maybe they will need to clear up some room in their wage bill and offload frenkie.
Put him beside Fred or McTominay and we are failing before we started
I love him but don't think he's quite the elite passer that Jorginho is. Kovacic is a decent comp because they're best in a midfield 2 and can dribble really well, even though they look very different in how they accomplish it.
I remember one of the Chelsea-City games this year where Tuchel had them trying to build up play because Kovacic and another CM was out there (don't recall which one) under an incredible amount of counter-pressing and thinking there was no way we could pass the ball into our midfielders 20-25 yards from our own goal with 5 City players around them, and Kovacic only really messed up once. De Jong would give us a player like that, and they're very hard to find.
Of course there's more than one way to configure a midfield, but I find de Jong and Bruno in a midfield a bit imbalanced.
An intelligent deep midfielder behind Fred (in the 8 position, he plays well there) and Bruno and I don't think we'd be overrun.
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Agreed. McT and Fred are simply not good enough. We would need another CM along with Frenkie. Rumors of Kante are exciting - that would be a great combination imo.
Not really. Think this where Timber comes I guess. Think he will step into midfield and support FDJ.
We are probably going to see a complete different style of play which we have never seen for years. So please don't come to any conclusions, yet.
Understand where you're coming from, but I've seen both these players play under what, 3 or 4 different managers at this point. Not sure that Ten Hag can make them any better than what they are now - which is just not of the required level. Ten Hag is a brilliant coach and we've seen him turn players into something special, I'm just not convinced he can do it with Mctominay or Fred.
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