You are right. I assumed the friendly Barcelona have against UNAM Pumas would be in North America, them being a Mexican team and all that.
Frenkie de Jong | The last muppeting lap
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You are right. I assumed the friendly Barcelona have against UNAM Pumas would be in North America, them being a Mexican team and all that.
He would be an absolute weapon if he accepted the proposed deal from Barcelona.
Well what i would like is for the club to be in a position were it wasn't 100% at the mercy of the incoming manager to identify targets after all that is one of the key points of having a DOF. What I would have liked is that Murtough had instructed the scouting network to create a list of players that would fit the profile style and ethos that match Murtough and by proxy Ten Hag vision for the club. What I would have liked is that to have started happening the moment Ole left and key targets would have been sounded out before Ten Hag even walked through the door. That's what I would have liked. But that is either not the way Murtough and Ten Hag want to conduct recruitment, Murtough is capable of overseeing that kind of transfer strategy or the infrastructure at the club isn't currently capable of conducting this kind of planned out strategy (Or possible a mixture of all 3 reasons).
But whatever the reason as at the moment we seem to be basically utterly reliant on the limited pool of players Ten Hag is familiar with, then yes going after an established player like De Jong with proven quality and proven ability to play in a Ten Hag team is as sound a strategy as we are going to get. And yes if we can't get proven quality don't gamble, bank the cash until we are in a position to not be just picking from a small pool of players Ten Hag is familiar with.
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The Caf can and will do this and @McGrathsipan knows full well the power it wields.
Hope this saga can end soon. Whatever how bad it is, we are all tired with it
Maybe she could do us an installation, a bit like Tracey Emin's bed. Confessional art and all that.
You can’t always get what you want. No point crying over spilt milk.
Glad you’re happy with what the club is now doing anyway.
Dembele was a free agent. Barcelona was not under any obligation to offer him a new deal. Xavi wanted him, yes. However, Laporta could have easily said: 'No way.' Just like what he's seemingly doing with players like De Jong. I say seemingly because its not clear if, as with Dembele, he'll change his mind after initial bluster and threats.
We might think that way but De Jong might think, as in the case of other Barcelona players who looked like they might be forced out and are still at the club, this will all blow over. So many players were meant to leave like Pique, Riqui Puig etc. They're still there, they're still playing games.
I think De Jong would add a lot to our team and I think he'd be a brilliant signing. However, I just think there's a decent chance he stays unless Barcelona really force the issue. To-date Laporta and the Board haven't gone that far. Will they? Who knows.
100%.
I don't accept the excuse that we've fired our main scouts. United has an army of people on the recruitment side. From the second it was clear who the candidates for the United job were, our recruitment team should have been able to suggest possible targets.
Player choosing money over career : greedy cnut
Player choosing career over money : ?
Player choosing career over money : ?
Barca saying they’re broke but going out and buying new players like they’ve got a sheikh at the helm. Player supposedly keen to work with ETH but won’t give up the Spanish lifestyle and his dream club despite them treating him like a fool and ripping him off financially to the tune of 17m…the saga of all sagas
Pique is at the end of his career and the other two no where near the level of De Jong. It’s a poor example.
Barca have bought centre backs and centre midfielders. They are clearly planning for life without De Jong and seemingly only want him, as a back up CB, if he’s willing to basically give up millions and play for pittance.
He’s literally got zero self worth or ambition if he’s in the slightest bit okay with that.
What a thread.
The deal with Barca was basically agreed by page 385. Since then we've had over 620 pages of pure, unadulterated muppetry, almost completely devoid of substance of any kind. There are two posters with over 1000 posts each in this thread alone!
Quite some effort - I applaud you - keep the faith!
The deal with Barca was basically agreed by page 385. Since then we've had over 620 pages of pure, unadulterated muppetry, almost completely devoid of substance of any kind. There are two posters with over 1000 posts each in this thread alone!
Quite some effort - I applaud you - keep the faith!
Agreeing a fee was a bit of a hint.
The problem is Murtough is in charge now, say even if he gets replaced halfway through this season, the new DOF is going to have to come in and start from scratch rebuilding the footballing structure at the club if Murtough has failed to do this.
One of the main things the supporters of Murtough say is that he has only really been a proper DOF since Woodward left, before that he was only DOF by name alone(which for me raises all kinds of questions regarding his competency for the job). But anyway IF its true that Murtough has only really been doing the job 6 months, and that isn't enough time to get the recruitment structure in place which is why we are so heavily manager lead recruitment this summer. Now obviously we have no idea how much this is true and how much is speculation/ wishful thinking, but surely a new DOF would require the same time at least as people are saying Murtough needs.
So if Murtough isn't the right man for the job, then it will be at the very very earliest around the summer of 2024 and god knows how many millions spent before we even start to see the impact of a different DOF and that's if they were employed this season. So personally I would say that is very much up a certain brown alley if Murtough doesn't come through.
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It's an abysmal website, but the only Dutch sort of football forum of it's kind. I wonder if other Dutch caftards are on there. There is atleast one with the same username
Staying at Barca = choosing the money at this point.It will be bloodbath on here when Frenkie actually follows his heart and chooses Barca over money.
If he doesn't join, how pathetic do we look?
For the record, I don't believe he will join, but if he does, it will because we pay him over 600k a week or something similarly obscene.
For the record, I don't believe he will join, but if he does, it will because we pay him over 600k a week or something similarly obscene.
not even 17m, given he has to take a 50% wage cut, that means he gives up 150k per week for three years plus 17m. Putting his loss earnings wise at around 40m.
I’ll take 20% from your venture and not a penny less.
Need to roll the gear out now whilst the saga continues. Strike whilst the iron is hot.
Insightful post. Would read, and laugh at it, again.
Just you wait. And wait and wait some more.
Sounds like we have a confident challenger to step up to @Berbaclass's offer...
Done. Give me my 1% back when I break even and the signing is completed.
Which?
You are confusing insight with conjecture.
Or maybe he's got so much self-belief that he thinks, ultimately, given time, he'll show himself more worthy of a start than the competition.
You want to believe De Jong is coming. I understand that. I'd like him to sign too and I'll be relieved if he does.
I just think people are getting themselves so far down the rabbit hole with this attempt to buy De Jong that they're not considering it might not work out. I can see various reasons why he might stay at Barcelona.
Why?
We offered Barca the money, one must assume FdJ said he may join us. We have done nothing more since that point, some of you people really need help in your lives if you are going to think we are embarrassed by bidding for a player we want. If FdJ had turned around like Timber and said no thanks, then this would have been over. If FdJ is that much of a pushover he would rather lose 40-50m and be told he will be a third choice CB because he loves the club, and he and his gf love the lifestyle then its not a footballing decision really. Its a "I don't want to leave my dream club, even if I have to play only in unimportant games and say goodbye to any money I should have earned", which to some point I respect if you love the club that much even if they show you no love in return.
Just now?! I was tired of this 5 weeks ago when the last piece of actual news came out
Yet.
I wonder which other club in the world could reduce players saleries by 50% while spending £100 million on new players - worst club in the world
You may well be right, if he thinks that he is of course deluded, he thinks he gets a CB spot ahead of Kounde, Christiansen, Pique, where he clearly is not a CB. Either that or he somehow believes he is getting in ahead of Kessie, Pedri, Gavi, Biscuits, when Barca dont play double pivot, gotta give the guy balls of steel, especially when its clear they won't want to play him in CM.
Silly cnut
I mean there definitely is a point as we are in a position that we should not be in, where because of the incompetence of the people in charge at the club our best option is continuing to chase a midfielder who it is very questionable if he even wants to be here and whose contact situation is beyond a mess. Yes i think it's our best option now, but that doesn't excuse the incompetence of getting to this point.
On your first point, not at all.
On your second point, you've created a situation in your head and then got angry about it.
King muppet vs Doomer. Loser leaves town.
The desperation is painful. At least make it look like we have some plan B.
I find a lot to agree with in this.
I don't think trying to buy a player that you want is ever a bad thing. Even if the player turns you down to go elsewhere. We tried to buy Ronaldinho once. He ended up choosing Barcelona. It wasn't a bad idea to try to go for Ronaldinho. Sometimes you go for a player and it doesn't work out. That's life.
I dunno how many people on this forum have ever tried to hire someone for a job. Sometimes you want someone and they choose not to accept the offer, for various reasons. Whether we like it or not, cos we're emotionally invested in Man Utd, for a lot of players football is a job. When people move job they tend to consider a range of factors, they talk it over with their families, the people close to them. Sometimes you find someone who you think: 'Wow, they'd be a fantastic fit.' It just doesn't come off for some reason.
For me the big failing if we don't sign De Jong is not trying to sign him, its in not having a suitable alternative identified. That, I think, is an issue of planning that Arnold and Murtough should be held responsible for.
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