Same as any tactic, it depends on how you build around them.
On the opposite side, 4-4-2 is the tactic that I struggle to get working the most.
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On the opposite side, 4-4-2 is the tactic that I struggle to get working the most.
Dunno, perhaps. I'm about to give up on anything but bog standard boring 4-4-2 and that's a shame. I'd love to use inside forwards, playmakers, box-to-box midfielders etc., I even have the players for these roles... but any time I deviate from the standard roles (winger, central midfielder, defensive midfielder) the play suffers. It also seems to me that selecting either Pass into space or Work the ball into the box is code for "Please never create any chances". At least with a 4-4-2, clear the ball to flanks, exploit right and left flank my team plays in a clear and recognizable pattern and it's very effective in attack. I wish I could play something more interesting though.
Are your team fully familiar with the formation (via training)? Getting them familiar via training and then going on a good run to build player confidence/happiness can make a big difference. In my United save I play with one striker, an AMC sat behind them, two inside forwards out wide, two central midfielders, one playing as a deep lying playmaker and the other as an advanced playmaker, then a back four (set as fullbacks or wingback depending on opposition and the individual players' best role). I get a lot of goals in this save now - e.g. Rooney is on 20+ and Memphis as an inside forward is around 20, by March in the current season, but it took time for the tactic to start working well.
I see people saying that but in my experience if a tactic doesn't work in FM straightaway, it never will. I had hair-pulling frustration trying to wait for players to become more familiar with tactics but no success.
And right now even 4-4-2 doesn't work at the best team in Romania. By far the best. I don't know. I'm struggling big time because tactics that should make sense don't work and I can't think of outlandish, counter-intuitive combinations. Well, I can, but I don't dare trying them. And now a home loss to the worst team in the league, yay.
Nothing I do seems to make any sort of difference. I'll let the assman handle the games from now because my health is in danger. Away we're decent, home we're terrible, regardless of tactics. And that's crazy.
Player confidence can have a big effect. If you go on a good run, the game almost plays itself in my experience (and this has been the same for the past 10-15 years). The struggle is when you go on a bad run, its very difficult to get the team going again. Also, strikers go on goal droughts.
Also, inconsistency reflects real life - look at United last year, where it would seem we had turned a corner and then we would have a bizarre loss again.
Are you relatively new to FM? If so, it might be easier to start with a bigger club in a more developed league. I suspect the Romanian league don't have that high quality players, so they will be less likely to actually be capable of following your tactical instructions, and your coaches less capable of training them well - hence the degree of randomness in how games turn out will be higher. Maybe start a save in a higher quality league, with a high quality team, and get more used to the tactics there whilst enjoying winning a few games - Juve in the Italian league or Bayern in Germany, or Chelsea/City/Spurs in the Prem might be good options.
No, I've been playing FM since the 2005 version
Sure, anyone can put together a good tactic with Barcelona but that doesn't help whatsoever. The assman has gone on a decent run lately (instant result) so the priority will be to get a better assistant manager for next season so I can leave the matches to him. Or I can download a tactic, that served me well in FM2009. I probably just don't understand the intricacies of the match engine or something.
The reason I'm really frustrated that in this save I got sacked twice after nothing worked tactically then I went to Derby County in the Championship and we got promoted playing great football. Went on to finish 8th in the Premier League the next season. Now I'm inexplicably struggling with a side that is light years ahead of its competition. I just don't get it.
I don't much like the box to box this year, to be honest. I don't often use work the ball into box, as I prefer a more aggressive approach, but I've had it work fine. You're always going to have less chances with it, though. Pass into space isn't much use if you're the bigger side, as most teams will sit deep against you and you'll have no space to pass into, but can be excellent if you sit deep and/or play on the counter.
To get inside forwards to work, I find you need a striker who'll drift and make space for them. Currently I'm using a CF(s) in front of a pair of IF's, one attack, one support and it's working very well.
Yeah, that's what I thought about Pass into space but it didn't seem to work with lesser sides and a counter-attacking approach either.
I thought a Complete Forward is only available with Attack duty? Not that it matters too much anymore, as I just got sacked the third time in six seasons. I can still go back to Derby as I have a backup save from when I got the job offer from Steaua but it feels pointless, no tactic is ever going to work for me, seemingly.
So started a new season at Newcastle United.
Shaky start but ended up finishing 5th! Delighted.
Q1 Do I stick or twist (i.e. City job available and other big jobs although I probably won't get it).
Q2 Basically had no money and made 3/4 loan signings, do I cash in my players and build a good low cost young squad, or splash the cash and reject all bids?
Q3 Any suggestions for signings (cheap, young, preferably English)?
Shaky start but ended up finishing 5th! Delighted.
Q1 Do I stick or twist (i.e. City job available and other big jobs although I probably won't get it).
Q2 Basically had no money and made 3/4 loan signings, do I cash in my players and build a good low cost young squad, or splash the cash and reject all bids?
Q3 Any suggestions for signings (cheap, young, preferably English)?
Need a little help please.
I just bought this game this morning and it is currently installing.
Is there a way to get the latest transfers downloaded? If so, where?
Any is the latest patch automatically on or is there somewhere to get that?
I just bought this game this morning and it is currently installing.
Is there a way to get the latest transfers downloaded? If so, where?
Any is the latest patch automatically on or is there somewhere to get that?
The game will be up to date and for the latest transfers you can look for LFCMarshall patches or look at Sortitoutsi or FMBase or FMScout.
http://www.fmscout.com/
http://www.fmscout.com/a-football-manager-2016-top-bargains.html
http://www.fmscout.com/a-football-manager-2016-wonderkids.html
Actually thinking forward to FM 2017 United are basically going to have half a team of wonder kids coming through to start with
Don't think Wilson, Gribbin, Januzaj will retain their wonderkid status. Although Januzaj's PA will still be very high- think it will be only Rashford, Martial, TFM and maybe Chong with Wonderkid status. Shaw will be 21 by the time FM17 is released, so can't be termed Wonderkid
Maybe not wonderkids, but I wouldn't expect a massive drop for them. I'm sure Smalling was still very good on FM16 when it first came out, for example (before his excellent season, I mean). Hell, I'm almost certain Balotelli was still good on the game years after he turned to shit in real life.
I would go with either the Sortitoutsi one or LFCMarshall's patch of the ones @JPRouve. The sortitoutsi one is "live" updated, by many users. LFCMarshall updates couple of days. There is one with real agents somewhere. Would also recommend getting one of the logo megapacks from sortitoutsi, if you don't have it already. For me, they make a huge difference to the feel of the game. The metallic logos pack is by far the most extensive, and is updated once a month, latest updated today.
Gribbin will still be a cracking prospect, Januzaj's already taken a few hits, will still be good but nothing special. I wouldn't worry about wonderkid status anyway, as all it means is high CA for their age(120 or so), as long as their potential is still great.
Smalling's the best he's been in years, really good. Balitelli is still great too, but they murdered his mental attributes.
Wouldn't bother with LFCMarshall's, he makes some dodgy edits.
Was on for the quadruple in my second season but lost the CL final on penalties to Napoli. Their keeper saved 4 of 5 penalties. De Gea saved 3 of 5. Which is a bit mental really especially when they were literally all just the keeper standing still and the ball hitting them. The ones that went in were the ones hit to either side. Gabriel Barbosa missed the 5th to lose it after getting man of the match.
Now I dunno what to do. Was going to sell Mata and build around Gribbin and Lincoln, but he just got voted fans player of the year and they love him.
Now I dunno what to do. Was going to sell Mata and build around Gribbin and Lincoln, but he just got voted fans player of the year and they love him.
Honestly I found the secret to get any tactic working this year in FM is to get your FBs forward as much as possible and let them cross a lot. In generally crosses seem to be fairly OP this season.
Like in every FM I pretty much exclusively play 4-2-3-1, but you are right the AM doesn't seem to be as effective as in previous versions, still Oliver got for me something around 20 assists in that position in my last season. I just wish I could get a few more goals out of him but then again he isn't much of a goal scorer if I look at his stats and it makes sense that his best attributes are creating chances for others.
Yep. Put emphasize on crosses, both in attack and defence (defend against crosses). Also, through balls in behind defences is overpowered as is rebounds from shots/free kicks. Then there's a useful corner tactic as well, cross it to a player standing outside the penalty box that has good long shots (15+) and he'll bag you a chunk each season.
I have made some nice tactics if anyone wants to try. 4-3-3 for home games and 4-1-4-1 away.
Yeah, that might be. I've been keeping my own transfer update file, since I need it to be compatible with all the other editor files I've got going. LFCMarshall and other transfer updated sometimes add new players to the database.
I like the way pr0 does things though. At least for the version I downloaded, he split it up into several databases for different things (one for transfers, one for agents etc), so I use the one that implements real agents and their client lists. Not a ton of agents on there, but a few well-profiled ones.
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21/22 season underway, just taken over Schalke. They finished 11th last season and haven't won the league for 62 years, good challenge.
Cleared the squad and signed around 15 new players for the first team. Just smashed Barca 4-0 in pre-season. Scored the best counter-attacking goal i've seen so it's looking promising.
Apart from regens i've signed; Fosu-Mensah, Asensio, Bielik, Ruben Blanco (backup, the 18-yo regen i signed is ridiculous), Amartey, Digne, Vitturini and Borja San Emeterio (had him at Valencia and now he's re-united with his brother who was already at the club).
Cleared the squad and signed around 15 new players for the first team. Just smashed Barca 4-0 in pre-season. Scored the best counter-attacking goal i've seen so it's looking promising.
Apart from regens i've signed; Fosu-Mensah, Asensio, Bielik, Ruben Blanco (backup, the 18-yo regen i signed is ridiculous), Amartey, Digne, Vitturini and Borja San Emeterio (had him at Valencia and now he's re-united with his brother who was already at the club).
Another quick question..
I downloaded sortitoutsi's transfer update.
I wish to make a couple of changes myself to their transfers and save them in the editor.
I can't seem to do this. Their transfers seem to supersede anything I do. Is there a way of doing this? I just want to change a couple of loan deals.
I downloaded sortitoutsi's transfer update.
I wish to make a couple of changes myself to their transfers and save them in the editor.
I can't seem to do this. Their transfers seem to supersede anything I do. Is there a way of doing this? I just want to change a couple of loan deals.
You have to open the editor file from sortitoutsi and make the changes there, instead of making a separate file. In the editor just load up the database, and then load the editor file from sortitoutsi. Also for loan deals, remember to check starting and ending dates.
Just had the most ridiculous end to the season ever. Real Madrid humped me 3-0 at their place with 2 games left to play, that sent them 3 points clear but, worse, gave them a better head to head. Needing, at least, a 4 point swing with 2 games left I thought that was the season over for me. Right? Wrong.
Real Madrid go and throw away 2 points against Valencia (at one point they were 3-1 down but fought back to 3-3 with goals in the 76th and 88th minute) and I squeak out a win against Celta.
Going in to the last game of the season I need to win and hope Madrid drop points.
I do my bit, my team fires us 5-0 up before 30 minutes have gone and proceeds to coast to a comfortable win:
But what were Real Madrid up to against relegation threatened Malaga.
Much the same, they shot into an early lead and went in at half time 3-1 up. Title chances over surely? Then a miracle happened, 23 year old Spanish striker Cristobal Moya proceeded to score a 15 minute hat-trick to send Malaga 4-3 up and although Madrid managed to claw one back to make it 4-4 it wasn't enough. We'd done it.
Madrid's goal did have the effect of relegating Malaga, but I like to think they'd see it as a price worth paying. In truth we didn't deserve the title after our performance in Madrid and throwing away our own lead at the top but who cares?
Real Madrid go and throw away 2 points against Valencia (at one point they were 3-1 down but fought back to 3-3 with goals in the 76th and 88th minute) and I squeak out a win against Celta.
Going in to the last game of the season I need to win and hope Madrid drop points.
I do my bit, my team fires us 5-0 up before 30 minutes have gone and proceeds to coast to a comfortable win:
But what were Real Madrid up to against relegation threatened Malaga.
Much the same, they shot into an early lead and went in at half time 3-1 up. Title chances over surely? Then a miracle happened, 23 year old Spanish striker Cristobal Moya proceeded to score a 15 minute hat-trick to send Malaga 4-3 up and although Madrid managed to claw one back to make it 4-4 it wasn't enough. We'd done it.
Madrid's goal did have the effect of relegating Malaga, but I like to think they'd see it as a price worth paying. In truth we didn't deserve the title after our performance in Madrid and throwing away our own lead at the top but who cares?
Sign that Moya chap up.
1.5 star current 1.5 star potential according to my scouts. Might let Malaga keep him as a sign of my gratitude.
Very generous of you.
A scout recently suggested I look at nabbing this bloke called Ronaldo (coming to the end of his contract at Real). I'm managing Cagliari, currently getting a nosebleed in 3rd in the Serie A. I might fire that scout.
A scout recently suggested I look at nabbing this bloke called Ronaldo (coming to the end of his contract at Real). I'm managing Cagliari, currently getting a nosebleed in 3rd in the Serie A. I might fire that scout.
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Anyone tried the Liberio role out much? I started a save with Juventus just so I could implement it with Bonucci in that role. I think only he and Vertonghon are the two outstanding players for that role in the game.
Depends on what you want from it, it's pretty broken and doesn't really do what a Libero should, but can still be an effective role.
Anyone got any recommendations for tactics in the PL? clearly mine aren't working
You only have one centre back?
Glik and Fonte make two
I'm looking at his formation.. 3 at the back, seems two full backs and a centre back.. unless i'm totally misinterpreting it.
So it is yeah. I was just reading the names from the lineup...
If I were going with a back three, I would tuck in the three players to be CBs, and then pull the wingers further back.
I had a lot success with a formation like that on FM15. I don't remember the roles, so I just set them according to the standard position, but it was something like:
---------AP-------------
------------AM/DLP------
-----------------------
-------CM-----CM-------
WB--------DM--------WB
------CB---CB---CB------
------------GK------------
Can see if I find the formation, if anybody wants to look more closely at it. Had strict team instructions like 'be more disciplined' etc. on as well, and then I would loosen it up and set mentality etc. according to how the games played out, and how much I needed a goal. Kept training my players to play at both Winger and wingback, so I could push them forward on one of the sides I needed it.
Had a really good defensive record going on. Conceded far less then I should have, even after getting promoted to the top flight and only having the money to sign one player or something like that. The rest were signed on a free.
I had a lot success with a formation like that on FM15. I don't remember the roles, so I just set them according to the standard position, but it was something like:
---------AP-------------
------------AM/DLP------
-----------------------
-------CM-----CM-------
WB--------DM--------WB
------CB---CB---CB------
------------GK------------
Can see if I find the formation, if anybody wants to look more closely at it. Had strict team instructions like 'be more disciplined' etc. on as well, and then I would loosen it up and set mentality etc. according to how the games played out, and how much I needed a goal. Kept training my players to play at both Winger and wingback, so I could push them forward on one of the sides I needed it.
Had a really good defensive record going on. Conceded far less then I should have, even after getting promoted to the top flight and only having the money to sign one player or something like that. The rest were signed on a free.
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I set it at 4-2-3-1 but I used instant result and it came up with that formation (which I was using in pre-season and it worked).
I found a good formation since posting that though and now 9th in the league.
No wonder it was successful with 12 men
No wonder it was successful with 12 men
I even counted before I added the last couple of players. AM/DLP should the same one.Only bought this and have played have a season with 2 teams, Leicester and Carlisle.
I've just noticed that I haven't scored one single free kick. Is this a quirk in the game or am I doing something wrong? I watch the highlights and in all those matches I haven't even taken a direct free kick at goal.
I've just noticed that I haven't scored one single free kick. Is this a quirk in the game or am I doing something wrong? I watch the highlights and in all those matches I haven't even taken a direct free kick at goal.