Fellaini “foul” on Mané in our box

50-50 was what I thought in real time. Slowing down and going frame by frame can make it look like one person acted before the other, but I think they arrived at the same time.

Slowed down, maybe it's a pen, but I think the defender usually gets the benefit of the doubt in these situations and the ref swallows their whistle.
 
What about the foul when Lovren seemed to purposely elbow McTominay in the United box? Fa should take action against that imo.
 
Plenty of people have mentioned that it was a foul on Fellaini. I don't see a valid argument against the same. He got between the man and the ball and Mane made contact.
 
Clearly not a pen. Fellaini was there. Mane stretched out his right leg to get the contact.

And that stretch wasnt to try and get to the ball.. the ball was a lot further ahead. Mane tried to cheat and the ref was having none of it.

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No way was it a penalty. Both players tried to get their lead leg in front of the other player, and tripped each other. If anything, since Fellaini was slightly ahead of Mane, it should have been a free-kick to United.
 
Never thought it was a Penalty during the game. I thought all the talk will be about Valencia handball not it actually.
 
sherrinford said:
How much force does there need to be to justify a penalty? Young got caught wrong side, for probably the only time in the whole game, and impeded his run by hugging him. Both hands. Salah shouldn’t have to go down or remonstrate for a foul to be deemed a foul. Likewise, an infringement isn’t lessened by it’s having taken place in the box - would it have been enough force to justify a foul in Liverpool’s half?
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Probably as much force as the elbow by Lovren into McTominay's head. Both reckless and excessive and should have been a straight red card.
 
I don't think it was a penalty but Fellaini's reaction time was incredibly slow. He was a huge favourite to get there first after Firmino's flick and should have cleared it easily before Mane got there but hesitated inexplicably which made it a challenge for the ball.

He played well overall when he came on but he scares me when contesting the ball with quick players around the box.
 
That should have been a foul on fellaini and yellow for mane for a tackle from behind.
 
It was foul on Fellaini. Penalty talk is just laughable when Mane tripped Fellaini.
 
They had an interview with Chris Foy in the studio and he confirmed that it should've been a penalty. There you go, a retired PL referee. And then we're surprised why the standards of refereeing are so low.
 
That's a clear foul on Fellaini - he was impeded by Mane while moving towards the ball. Mane stuck his foot out, was nowhere close to the ball and tripped Fellaini from behind. How is that a penalty? It's a foul to us, against Mane.
 
Snowjoe said:
I see people will even use not committing a foul as a stick to beat Fellaini with. Awesome.
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The people criticising Fellaini consider that it could easily have been given as a penalty and jeopardised the victory.

It's just opinions on difficult penalty decision by a devisive player - there's no need to get defensive about it.
 
Gary_Walsh_Nou_Camp_Hell said:
The people criticising Fellaini consider that it could easily have been given as a penalty and jeopardised the victory.

It's just opinions on difficult penalty decision by a devisive player - there's no need to get defensive about it.
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Fellaini was fouled, not sure why you are moaning about it.
 
Not a penalty in a million years, nor was the Valencia one and neither Young on Salah. Pundits just cling on to something to fill air time. Having said all that in about 10 years time when VAR will be the norm and the game will have officially gone all Americanised I have little doubt that all three will have been penalties and the game would have ended up 7-7 !
 
eat_grass said:
No way was it a penalty. Both players tried to get their lead leg in front of the other player, and tripped each other. If anything, since Fellaini was slightly ahead of Mane, it should have been a free-kick to United.
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My thoughts exactly. Considering both were running in the same direction and Fellaini’s leg was ahead of Mane’s, simply means Mane fouled Fellaini.
 
Not a penalty, it was a foul on Fellaini if anything. You can see Mane deliberately stretching his leg out of his running course into Fellaini's, Fellaini did nothing except moving in a straight line trying to get to the ball, which he did. Mane was nowhere near thee ball.
 
I thought absolutely no way a pen, but I did think one could be given for Valencia’s hand ball and I am surprised not more was asked for when Bailly tanked into Milner.
 
Was a 50-50 challenge. Not a penalty.

Surprised this is the one we're talking about. They had two better shouts, Young on Salah and Valencia's handball. Both of those were debatable, this one isn't.
 
Yeah this one is the least contentious for me, fella clearly gets there first and is tripped.

Bailly one is a nothing incident that happens 10x a game

If salah had made a meal of youngs challenge that could've been an interesting one

Think the handball is the closest, ball travels a long way and there's certainly refs that would've given that one Handball being all about intention means the only person who truly knows whether it was a pen or not is valencia

If mata had buried that chance none of this chatter would be happening
 
I dont even think the ref wouldve given that a foul wherever it happened on the pitch
 
it's crazy to even discuss it, i was shouting for a fk to Fellaini at the time. it's crazy how people can even think it's a penalty situation.

Not only fellaini was there first and Mane was behind him. the ball was on the side of fellaini, not Mane's. he was never going to get the ball.
 
This is an easy one. Look at Manés feet, and his running pattern. He is not running in a straight line to get the ball, he is deliberately stretching his leg out of his running course. Yellow card to Mane for diving.
Sports commentators here in Norway changed their mind after viewing replay of the situation. No pen at all. (Liverpool fans all of them)
However, FA should have a closer look at Lovrens Elbow against McTominay. Ugly and dangerous form Lovren.
 
Gary_Walsh_Nou_Camp_Hell said:
The people criticising Fellaini consider that it could easily have been given as a penalty and jeopardised the victory.

It's just opinions on difficult penalty decision by a devisive player - there's no need to get defensive about it.
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'I don't like Fellaini so I'll give him shit for something that has not happened.'
'WOAH GUYS WHY ARE YOU SO DEFENSIVE IT'S JUST AN OPINION'

Good to have an another idiot on the ignore list. It's genuinely baffling what kind of emotions Fellaini seems to be drawing out of people.
 
It's not a penalty, Mane initiates the contact. I'd want it if it was the other way round but that doesn't make it a penalty
 
Looked like a penalty to me. Mane landed his foot first. But it was a split second thing and can see why it wasn't given.
 
If that coming together was in the Liverpool box I would have been screaming for a united penalty as mane threw his leg across fellaini got nothing on the ball just connected with fellaini and brought him down, he clearly stops fellaini kicking the ball (the refs angle of the incident showed this better than any of the others)
 
Bit odd yes. I wouldn't have thought either this or the Valencia ball to hand incident were penalties at all but Gaz on commentary seemed to want to say they were to show he is unbiased. If anything it showed him overcompensating.
 
Pacificgi said:
I dont even think the ref wouldve given that a foul wherever it happened on the pitch
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in real time I thought exactly the same, Fellaini as good as has possession of the ball - slowed down, F is a bit further away from the ball & steps across a bit maybe

having said that, how is Mane ever gonna get the ball, he as good as runs into the back of the defender & then falls over - it's a pretty weak claim for me
 
I do think we were lucky to get away with the Valencia handball - when you see some that get given that are silly, that one looks pretty straightforward for the distance & how he has time to get out of the way because you aren't actually allowed to use your arms.
 
Photos in Metro and the Evening Standard make one wonder how the argument could even arise. Fellaini is about to control the ball with his right foot, even on one knee as his leg has been taken down by Mane's trip, and Mane is still slightly behind, looking between 90 and 180 degrees away from the direction the ball is.
 
The only one that could’ve been given in my opinion is the handball on Valencia. The fellaini incident was a foul by mane all day.
 
I don't get why people think it's a foul. Players get too many fouls where they simply stick their leg in front of another player when their not in possession of the ball and basically trip the opposing players but get a foul because the other player "ran into" their leg. There was quite a bit of it going on this match and the ref never called it so unsuprisingly he didn't consider it a penalty.

I mean just look at it
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Mane has no chance whatsoever to win the ball and he just sticks out his leg in the hope that he will be able to initiate any kind of contact and then fall down on the grass. If it had been given, it would have been similar to the penalty Everton were awarded at Anfield when Calvert-Lewin pulled the handbrake, once he realised that he didn't have a goalscoring opportunity, and just waited for any kind of contact in order to go down. But as far as i remember, Klopp was furious about that one and rightfully so.

I just hate it when attackers try to do this and i can't understand why pundits, who like to brag about how tough and manly the game was back in the day, almost always hide behind the "was contact, is penalty" line of thought.

Of course, Carragher is right. After all, he's a defender himself and he can sympathise with Fellaini who's in front of Mane and he's just trying to position himself. As for Gary, i really expected nothing more from him after Mourinho's comment that "some pundits couldn't resolve their own problems when they were managers but now they have a solution for everything". In the post-match interview, Mourinho went one step further and named him too. And despite Mourinho's belligerent nature, someone should advise Gary that paying lip service to your fiercest rivals doesn't make you neutral.
 
Didn't guys on Sky after the game also pointed out that Mane thrown himself in front of Fellaini?
 
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