Fellaini “foul” on Mané in our box

In real time, it looked to me a foul on Fellaini. In replay, it is absolutely clear that it should have been a foul on Fellaini and arguably a booking for Mane for diving.

On the other side, if Salam drops it can easily be a pen. Valencia was also lucky to no have been punished for keeping his hand so far away from his body.

Lovren could have been sent off.
 
Mane wasn't near the ball , Fella was gonna get it first , so I don't see it as a pen
 
LeftyBlaster said:
Fellaini is more clumsy than a 3 legged donkey though. It gave me a scare when I saw it live.
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What does that have to do with this? It was nothing to do with Fellaini's "clumsiness". It was all about Mane sticking his leg out abnormally to hit or get hit by Fellaini.
 
Nick7 said:
What does that have to do with this? It was nothing to do with Fellaini's "clumsiness". It was all about Mane sticking his leg out abnormally to hit or get hit by Fellaini.
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Oh I agree Mane was looking for the contact, but every time Afro goes in for a challenge it scares me because of how many decisions go against him. If it was us in that position I might be shouting injustice too.
 
No Pen Fellani got ball side of Mane, so he put he leg across Fellani. The only 1 of the penalty claims they had that I thought was one was the Valencia handball.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
Watching this again on MOTD. Pundits are convinced it’s a pen. Am I the only one who thinks that the reverse view shows Fellaini on his way to win the ball cleanly when Mané sticks his right leg out and blatantly trips him?

@GifLord ?
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I cant understand the pundits at all here. Absolutely no chance it was a pen. Probably a foul by Mane though.
 
50-50.

You could have given and could not, would be difficult to argue against either. It can be judged as a clash of both players inside the box or Fellaini getting in the way of Mane.

Same for the handball from Robertson's cross, could have been given but can't complain of it wasn't.
 
Never a pen, but a good idea from Mane, even if he didn't have the time to think about Fellaini's clumsiness (and dirty elbows) potentially leading the ref to give a pen.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
Watching this again on MOTD. Pundits are convinced it’s a pen. Am I the only one who thinks that the reverse view shows Fellaini on his way to win the ball cleanly when Mané sticks his right leg out and blatantly trips him?

@GifLord ?
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This was Liverpool's worst peno shout yesterday imo, never a penalty. Valencia handball and Young holding Salah could have been given though.
 
suhaylah said:
What about the foul when Lovren seemed to purposely elbow McTominay in the United box? Fa should take action against that imo.
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I'm wondering about that. Young received a 3 match ban for less, and it was deserved. Is the media talking about this Lovren incident? Is Lovren getting away with this? Massive double standards if so.
 
Nick7 said:
It's absolutely bizarre this has gotten so much talk. It wasn't even contentious. If Fellaini actually tackled Mane maybe. But he didn't.
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My thoughts exactly. Would there be this much discussion if it had gone the other way and we didn't get the non-pen? I don't think so. I just think Sounness, Holt and co. are taking the loss poorly.
 
Fellaini is ahead and Mane planted his foot on the path. No way thats a pen!
 
Even Souness thinks it was not a penalty. Fellaini is on the move and Mane sticks his leg out in front of him and trips Fellaini. There is no way Fellaini can pull his leg out. He is in front of Mane.
 
Agree with most on this page.

At the game live, it was in front of me, and looked like Mane fouled Afroman. I couldn't believe the ref didn't give it, but play moved on.

To then hear later on all this talk is strange. Scouse clutching at straws job .

The truth is we did well second half, scored at the right times, and didn't give them a sniff.
They had most of the ball second half, but we were tight, and they didn't even get close to a real threat, outside of that ridiculous own goal.
Without that it was an old school comfy win
 
The press reaction to this is utterly bizzare, because this is probably the least contentious decision the ref made. I feel as if, the media have been hyping up Liverpool so much, that seeing them get completely out-thought has put egg on their faces. So now they are trying to make it seem as if Liverpool are actually winners despite losing the game.

Salah was obviously fouled, but played on, so the ref gave him the opportunity to carry on and he fluffed the chance. The ball definitely hit Valencia's arm, and the cross was quite far away so he had time to react, so you can understand the ref giving it. This was a ball that Fellaini was favourite to, only for Mane to run into him, even then Fellaini shielded the ball and won it.
 
Pretty similar to the penalty that Liverpool conceded against Spurs. Funny that Liverpool ended up on the losing side both times, they should've got at least one decision their way.
 
Thought it was more of a case of the two players coming together than anything. Not a penalty anyway.
 
Watched the game with a mate who is a Liverpool fan, and he was much more adamant about the Young/Salah situation. I would agree that was closer to penalty than Fellaini/Mane.

The Valencia handball was correctly not given, in my opinion. His arm was not in an unnatural position, and the cross was absolutely drilled.
 
Watching that again, if Mane had tried to get the ball by reaching forward and toward the ball with his leg he might have got it. Looks like he was moving his leg toward and more in front of Fellaini to "be fouled". Then because Fellaini is ahead of him going for the ball, of course they fall over! It's not a foul either way, it's what they refer to as a "coming together".
 
Reading through this, you'd swear it was clear as day and there was no chance this could have been interpreted as a Fellaini foul on mane. I've watched it a few times and the more I watch it the more I think we were lucky no pen was given.

I'm not saying it is nailed on 100% pen, but we've seen pens given for less. If it was up the other end, I'd be screaming for a pen for us.

More of a coming together I agree, but I viewed it as fellaini moving his body to shield the ball, but a little slow hence making more contact with Mane than he should have. Mane does also make contact, so probably a right decision for no pen or no foul against fellaini.

Lucky it wasn't given in this age of no contact.
 
I don’t mind if Liverpool fans want to think it’s a pen. It’s just more salt on the wound. Klopp has gone a year complaining about the offside goal, hopefully he also loses the plot and his wheels start spinning about the penalty by Fellaini not called.
 
Mike Smalling said:
Watched the game with a mate who is a Liverpool fan, and he was much more adamant about the Young/Salah situation. I would agree that was closer to penalty than Fellaini/Mane.

The Valencia handball was correctly not given, in my opinion. His arm was not in an unnatural position, and the cross was absolutely drilled.
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Totally agree. If Salah had of went over it could have very easily been called as a penalty, but he didn't...

Other two, never penalties but at the same time I wouldn't be surprised if they had been given, albeit it would have annoyed me, but I've seen them given for less.

All in all, three good decisions imo.
 
I can understand the consideration that it's a pen because of the contact but that was generated by Mané more than Fellaini. Fellaini was closer to the ball
 
If that was a game lets say wba- west ham, i would say; clear penalty.
Clumsy, stupid but it was a pen for me.
 
kouroux said:
I can understand the consideration that it's a pen because of the contact but that was generated by Mané more than Fellaini. Fellaini was closer to the ball
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For me it's Mane who tripped Fellaini and should have been free kick. Fellaini was ahead, Mane just stretched his leg so obviously Fellaini who was running towards the ball would kick Mane's calf.
 
roonster09 said:
For me it's Mane who tripped Fellaini and should have been free kick. Fellaini was ahead, Mane just stretched his leg so obviously Fellaini who was running towards the ball would kick Mane's calf.
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To be honest, that was me trying to twist my brain at the extreme to understand the other side of the argument but in reality it's pretty straightforward.
 
I think Fellaini had the better position and was closer to the ball. Looked like Mane ran into him, should have a United free kick.
 
Mike Smalling said:
Watched the game with a mate who is a Liverpool fan, and he was much more adamant about the Young/Salah situation. I would agree that was closer to penalty than Fellaini/Mane.

The Valencia handball was correctly not given, in my opinion. His arm was not in an unnatural position, and the cross was absolutely drilled.
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I agree about the Young/Salah situation. Someone other than Salah might have made more out of it and gotten a pen and everyone here would have lambasted Young for being stupid to do that. For 20 players on the pitch the hands are the only bodyparts you can't use.
 
Fair enough. Idc either way, we didn't play well enough on the day to win.
Still want VAR implemented or a better version at least.
 
Fellaini was between Mane and the ball, so rather difficult for Fellaini to make a penalty.
He could have made a penalty with his elbow, but as far as I can see he didn't do that.
No penalty.
 
Liver_bird said:
It's similar to the Lamela VVD one a few weeks back in our game vs Spurs.
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How is it similar to a CB swinging his leg from behind to an opposition player who shields the ball? Fellaini didn't do anything apart from moving towards a ball he already was getting. Mane stretched his leg in front of Fellaini and tripped him.
 
Personally I cannot see what the fuss is about as two players go for the ball & come together, & good decision by the referee. If you are going to push for a foul, then you have to argue that Mane has fouled Fellani by putting his foot in front of him. Only that crazed Liverpool nutter in chief could say everyone could see it was a penalty, plus dumb pundits, but does anyone really care what they think.
 
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