Too complicated for you to imagine someone might like Felllaini, think he did in fact a penalty he had no need to do, and be happy about it was not given?
Fellaini “foul” on Mané in our box
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Foul on Fellaini for me.
Reason being is that Fellaini is trying to actually kick the ball with that leg and Mane plants his foot in front of Fellaini, not attempting to play the ball. Think of it like this, if I were about to kick a ball and someone just planted their foot in front of mine and I kicked the back of their leg they would be called for a foul. Same situation.
Reason being is that Fellaini is trying to actually kick the ball with that leg and Mane plants his foot in front of Fellaini, not attempting to play the ball. Think of it like this, if I were about to kick a ball and someone just planted their foot in front of mine and I kicked the back of their leg they would be called for a foul. Same situation.
Oh yes, since it didn't make contact I agree. But if that made contact it would've been studs in the chest-area and in my opinion a direct red.
Like Lamela. Not so sure about Fellaini's innocence there.
It was not 'like Lamela' incident. The position of the attacker/defender in both situations were different. Yesterday Fellaini was in front of Mane when the foul was made. Lamela's was fouled when the defender came between him and the ball.
Nah I’ve read too much bullshit about him over the years. Never in a million years was that a penalty. But I guess it’s cool to think Fellaini is this clumsy mess who nearly cost us the game.
Whatever helps some people sleep at night.
I thought he was superb today.
Do you think Nani should've been sent off in that match against Bayern (edit - actually Real Madrid as Android pointed out)? If not, what's the difference, for you?
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How can you honestly say Fellaini is trying to kick the ball, when his leg is going the other direction, to his left? In fact, he's standing his ground, not at all trying to kick the ball, that would be in the direction of goal or the center of our area, by the way.
So you'd have to think that Fellaini did an unfair act, which was careless/reckless/excessive force, by tripping Mane.
Just don't see it myself. Do you @Android1974 ?
Just don't see it myself. Do you @Android1974 ?
I think he did well today, too. But he indeed also did this clumsy mess that nearly cost us the victory, yeah.
Wasn't that Real Madrid?
It would have been different if Mane was in control of the ball. But he wasn't, and Mane's outstretched leg tripped Fellaini. The complete lack of appeal from the scouse players tells you all you need to know.
Yeah, I do, and I'm so happy he got away with it.
Of course it was, yes - confusing my disappointing exits.
Personally their legs just hit each other, tangled up a bit and they lose footing then both fall down the pitch considering their momentum and contact of hitting. Fellaini is the favorite to win here clearly, and he just attempted to shield the ball by moving to the left side a bit with his left leg first, while Mane quickly try to get ahead with his pace by trying to put his right leg in front of Fellaini which failed. Both eyes are on the prize, and after they fell down, both didn't make any meal of it. Neither does the other nearby Liv players complaining about it final 10 mins, if I recall correctly.
Peno Nevarro.
Edit: Pundits (not all) can't accept the fact we've won this game and Liverpool lost, clutching at this incident to feel better I suppose.
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Looks it on replay, but once you see it in normal speed again there was no chance Valencia has time to react.
Because first impressions sometimes are wrong.
I see people will even use not committing a foul as a stick to beat Fellaini with. Awesome.
Don't get what you mean.
Weird I actually thought this was more likely just because there is contact regardless of how it was initiated. Moot points though, we didn't play well enough to win.
Could do with a better implementation of VAR though, need the laws applied consistently. Unless people just want the drama associated with refs to be part and parcel of the game which I don't understand.
Too much scope for them to play in to media narratives as evidenced by Clattenburg .
I haven’t watched the replay since the match, but at the time looked to me like he was swinging his leg to try to clear it with his left foot.
Not a penalty. Ref got it right. End of story.
Not a pen, and I frankly find it baffling that anyone can say it is. Mane is just sticking his leg out hoping to get 'fouled'.
I mean Liverpool players, like I did, didn't feel it was a foul the first time we saw it, but having the chance of replays…
It's still not a foul. Mane changed his natural stride to deliberately put his leg across the path of Fellaini, who, at the time looked favourite to win the ball. If Mane was without playing distance of the ball it would have been a decent shout but he wasn't. All he did was trip Fellaini.
The question you have to ask yourself is why did Mane put his leg out into Fellaini's path? It wasn't his natural line of running and he wasn't close enough to be shielding the ball, in fact Fellaini was actually closer.
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Is it common for fans of those teams to then complain that they're not good enough at it?
honestly to me its just a coming together but if it was given to us in a game I wouldnt complain
I can recall Herrera doing the same thing in a match last season, would love to see the contrast in opinions on motd.
Definitely a foul by Mane and the correct decision not to give a penalty.
In general, players get away with planting a leg in the way of an oncoming opponent and buying a foul - which bothers me at times when it’s obvious the ‘shielding’ player has no control over, or intention of playing, the ball. It tends to be an accepted situation in the game though. However in this case, Mane is laughably far from the ball and, most damningly, is on the far side of this coming together in relation to the ball. He has prematurely planted his leg in the path of a player who is ahead of him, and any foul can only rightfully be awarded to Fellaini.
The attempt from Mane seemed borne of desperation, as do the groans from Liverpool fans. The consensus on MOTD was alarming. Neville brushed the claim aside in commentary during the game and I expected it to be forgotten about. Especially when they had another two, more legitimate claims in the second half. The Valencia handball I’m torn on - natural position and ball played hand, yet a good distance away and stopping a dangerous cross. Young grabbing Salah was the obvious one for me and that wasn’t even mentioned by Lineker and co.?
In general, players get away with planting a leg in the way of an oncoming opponent and buying a foul - which bothers me at times when it’s obvious the ‘shielding’ player has no control over, or intention of playing, the ball. It tends to be an accepted situation in the game though. However in this case, Mane is laughably far from the ball and, most damningly, is on the far side of this coming together in relation to the ball. He has prematurely planted his leg in the path of a player who is ahead of him, and any foul can only rightfully be awarded to Fellaini.
The attempt from Mane seemed borne of desperation, as do the groans from Liverpool fans. The consensus on MOTD was alarming. Neville brushed the claim aside in commentary during the game and I expected it to be forgotten about. Especially when they had another two, more legitimate claims in the second half. The Valencia handball I’m torn on - natural position and ball played hand, yet a good distance away and stopping a dangerous cross. Young grabbing Salah was the obvious one for me and that wasn’t even mentioned by Lineker and co.?
If Mane was dribbling the ball, it could be a legit foul by Fellaini. However, both were running to the ball and bumping each other. I don't see how this was a sure penalty.
I really don't know what you are on about.
The Salah/Young one wasn't a pen either. Salah doesn't even complain. There's holding but insufficient force to justify a penalty.
Wtf? If anything, it was a job bloody well done by Fellaini for tracking back and stopping Mane from potentially scoring.
It's obvious to see who the joke really is.
Get your agenda outta here.
Assuming what I saw was right as haven't seen a replay of the Valencia incident:
Valencia could see him coming and had the studs up facing the opponent in chest-height, straight at him.
Nani didn't see Arbeloa coming (focused all the way on the ball), held the foot up as you do when you try to take down the ball when it's high up but a bit out of chest-reach and Arbeloa ran into his foot, worth a yellow absolutely but not red in my opinion. Not very dangerous play by Nani compared to Valencia's incident yesterday.
As you can see, here the studs weren't straight & what they actually hit was Arbeloa's arm.
Still to this day the worst decision ive ever seen
This isn't true at all. The fact is Mane trips Fellaini. Fellaini is favourite for the ball, Mane sticks his leg out and impedes his natural progress, Fellaini kicks the back of this outstretched leg and goes down under the challenge. If the roles remained the same, but the action took place in the Liverpool box I'm convinced that the pundits would be wondering why Fellaini himself hadn't won a penalty.
You're damn right we would, stupid challenge by Mane.
How much force does there need to be to justify a penalty? Young got caught wrong side, for probably the only time in the whole game, and impeded his run by hugging him. Both hands. Salah shouldn’t have to go down or remonstrate for a foul to be deemed a foul. Likewise, an infringement isn’t lessened by it’s having taken place in the box - would it have been enough force to justify a foul in Liverpool’s half?
Surprised Rashford wasn't booked by going into the fans for his first goal.
This was not a penalty.
This was not a penalty.
It's well worth discussing. I mean it's quite obviously not a penalty but without the incident I'd have forgotten Mane was even playing
Let's remind you of the Lamela/VVD incident, because it's the same thing where the Liverpool player is second to the ball because they got out positioned.
VVD loses position and Lamela gets between the player and the ball. VVD challenges from behind, clips Lamela and is a foul in the box. Peno to Spurs. Today, Firmino flicks it...into space. Felliani gets across and in position where Mane becomes second in attempt to play the ball, which neither player had possession of after Firmino last touched it. It's a foul on Mane if anything and the ref let them play on.
As many people have said previously, if Valencia was given a handball in the box, I wouldn't have complained all to much. But neither the ref or the linesman flagged for a handball.
Not a penalty. A foul on Fellaini if anything.
Erik Thorsvedt in the Noggy studio reckoned it was the same sort of thing that Young got so much grief for back in the day, putting his leg out to construct a foul.
Was a bit more dubious when I saw the first replays, but it seems right to me now after repeated viewings. No-where near close enough to the ball that he can stick his foot in front to claim he's shielding the ball, no pen.
Was a bit more dubious when I saw the first replays, but it seems right to me now after repeated viewings. No-where near close enough to the ball that he can stick his foot in front to claim he's shielding the ball, no pen.