Fellaini “foul” on Mané in our box

GifLord said:
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Mané comes in from behind to prevent Fellaini from protecting the ball. The ball had already crossed Mané's path to goal and was on Fellaini's right side when contact is made. No way Mané gets to that ball unless he can walk through players :lol:
Happens quite often nowadays when you see players push the ball into an impossible position then run into their marker before rolling on the ground to claim a foul, its the new "stick your foot out to generate contact". Common cheap tactic that Fellaini in particular has often been on the receiving- end of. Glad it did not work this time.
 
Liver_bird said:
I've always thought we need to learn the dark arts to an extent
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Without a hint of irony, a supporter of a club that has boasted Stevie Starfish and Luis Suarez believes that they need to learn how to dive. Incredible.
 
When I saw it initially I thought it was a foul on Fellaini and still think the same having seen it again. Really don't get why this was flagged up at all, let alone being considered a clear penalty by some.
 
It seems to be almost unanimous, including me - Fellaini is nearer the ball as it arrives, Mane fouls Fellaini, referee plays advantage.
 
MAME DIOUF 32 said:
Without a hint of irony, a supporter of a club that has boasted Stevie Starfish and Luis Suarez believes that they need to learn how to dive. Incredible.
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I meant more in relation to managing the game the way you did, slowing it, buying fouls from over zealous naive players and taking the sting out of it. Cynical fouls time wasting etc. I didn't mean diving perse although probably doesn't help I mentioned it in a post relating to it.
We need to learn game management in games we're ahead though, not like today we were just poor.
 
Rado_N said:
Yes, it's called simulation/diving/cheating. None of which is the fault of the player on the receiving end.



I'm not his biggest fan but idiots blaming him for stuff that has nothing to do with him is an embarrassment if anything.



Nice goalpost shifting. You're certainly something.
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Players can anticipate things, to protect themselves from simulation, to an extent. It's not the clear cut decision most on here are making it out to be - and it's not an abu conspiracy when some ex-pros says it should have been given.

Goal post shifting? It's fine to disagree with me but making snarky comments is pointless.
 
Don't see how it can be a pen

Mane seems to throw himself towards Fellaini out of desperation because Fellaini is getting to the ball first
 
It’s all clutching at straws by Liverpool and the pundits. They can’t stand the fact that United fully deserved to win, so they’re trying to find anything that suits their narrative. I find the lack of congratulations towards a good United performance very pathetic. We are hated again :devil:
 
Didn’t think it was. I thought the Valencia handball could’ve been given.
 
Was 100% sure Fellaini would get a freekick, since he managed to get between Mané and the ball and was then hit by Mané. I was shocked to hear pundits call it a near stonewall pen:wenger:
 
Mane fouled Fellaini from behind. And if there are so called "pundits" who claim different they should really check if they are in the right line of work.
 
Klopper76 said:
Didn’t think it was. I thought the Valencia handball could’ve been given.
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That was the only real debatable one for me.

On one hand you have the fact is travelled a distance then hit him so you could argue he could move, on the other its certainly not deliberate nor does he move towards the ball. Hits his trailing arm as he's moving forward.

I'd say no pen but certainly seen them given.
 
MAME DIOUF 32 said:
Without a hint of irony, a supporter of a club that has boasted Stevie Starfish and Luis Suarez believes that they need to learn how to dive. Incredible.
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All teams have or have had players who dive or cheat . It's called modern football.
 
I said during the game here it was a penalty, only to be made fun by all, saying I was crazy. Look, I admit it's a weird one, and it doesn't even matter Fellaini's or Mané's intentions, the fact is Fellaini indeed trips Mané. Even if it is not nearly as blunt, it reminds me a little of the Lamela/van Dijk incident.
 
Android1974 said:
I said during the game here it was a penalty, only to be made fun by all, saying I was crazy. Look, I admit it's a weird one, and it doesn't even matter Fellaini's or Mané's intentions, the fact is Fellaini indeed trips Mané. Even if it is not nearly as blunt, it reminds me a little of the Lamela/van Dijk incident.
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And Mane trips Fellaini too? Both their legs catch each others, it's no foul either way.
 
Android1974 said:
I said during the game here it was a penalty, only to be made fun by all, saying I was crazy. Look, I admit it's a weird one, and it doesn't even matter Fellaini's or Mané's intentions, the fact is Fellaini indeed trips Mané. Even if it is not nearly as blunt, it reminds me a little of the Lamela/van Dijk incident.
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Does he though? I'd argue that Mane trips Fellaini hence no pen. It is pretty clear Fellaini is infront of the ball and Mane comes to the side of him, hence Fellaini falling flat on his face himself. He's not even looking at Mane.
 
Gary_Walsh_Nou_Camp_Hell said:
Just another example of how fecking embarrassing Fellaini is - joke of a player.
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.... What? No really.....? What?

Anywho I think Mane tries to con the ref with the contact, honestly it is a smart attempt at trying to buy a penalty. Any desperate player would probably do the same thing, not really a foul or a penalty for me just one of those ones where in the full pace of the game it might look like one.

What I will say is the referee is in a terrible spot to see the guts of the contact happen, at that angle he probably only see's Mane flail his arms and throw himself on the ground so there is not much there to write home about. I could see a referee on the byline being conned at full speed into giving it. But it was just one of those 5050's.
 
Liver_bird said:
I meant more in relation to managing the game the way you did, slowing it, buying fouls from over zealous naive players and taking the sting out of it. Cynical fouls time wasting etc. I didn't mean diving perse although probably doesn't help I mentioned it in a post relating to it.
We need to learn game management in games we're ahead though, not like today we were just poor.
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Chris Waddle, on the BBC live text, so presumably on the radio, a few minutes before half time:

Liverpool and Man City play the same every game, but Mourinho looks at the opposition and thinks 'I'm going to play this way today'. That's why sometimes it is a bit boring. United have unsettled Liverpool, they’ve been more direct, but that’s where they’ve got their joy. They’re not going to change in the second half, and why should they?

Waddle also said about the Fellaini Mane incident: I don't think so. If anything, it's a foul the other way.
 
Can you imagine the amount of forced pens justifying this would allow?
 
TheReligion said:
That was the only real debatable one for me.

On one hand you have the fact is travelled a distance then hit him so you could argue he could move, on the other its certainly not deliberate nor does he move towards the ball. Hits his trailing arm as he's moving forward.

I'd say no pen but certainly seen them given.
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I felt like the Mane Fellaini one was like they both went into each other more than anything. Looked like they sort of fouled each other?
 
Watched a lot of post-match analysis. Surely it tells you something that even after watching all of the replays only about half of the pundits thought it was a pen and there was only half arsed appeals when the incident happened. Subject to further analysis it seems that there was as much argument for Fellaini to have won a free kick. The referee could have interpreted it as a pen, but it’s not likely given all of the above.
 
TheReligion said:
Does he though? I'd argue that Mane trips Fellaini hence no pen. It is pretty clear Fellaini is infront of the ball and Mane comes to the side of him, hence Fellaini falling flat on his face himself. He's not even looking at Mane.
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The contact is in the lower legs, isn't it? I don't think it's decisive Fellaini has slightly gained the front with his upper body.
 
Android1974 said:
I said during the game here it was a penalty, only to be made fun by all, saying I was crazy. Look, I admit it's a weird one, and it doesn't even matter Fellaini's or Mané's intentions, the fact is Fellaini indeed trips Mané. Even if it is not nearly as blunt, it reminds me a little of the Lamela/van Dijk incident.
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Except that that time, Klopp's opinion was also in favour of his team, but opposite results about the interpretation of the incident
 
andy0 said:
Except that that time, Klopp's opinion was also in favour of his team, but opposite results about the interpretation of the incident
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Couldn't care less about Klopp's opinion.

What I find interesting in this case is that even VAR wouldn't help here, people keep looking at it and see different things. Even I, that said it was a penalty in the game thread, had the first impression you all now got, that Fellaini was tricked by Mané. Football is indeed complicated.
 
TheReligion said:
Yeah. If you watch though it's Mane who moved his leg across Fellaini though first then they tangle and both fall.
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Yeah, nevertheless, it's the impact of Fellaini's leg on Mané's that constitutes force enough to become a foul. Just my opinion, I'm glad it wasn't a penalty.
 
shahzadi said:
Lets see what narrative they build
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This is it. If enough people say it was a pen in later games it becomes an injustice that will be talked about. They wont play any videos of it, just say it in passing and have people believe it.
 
Android1974 said:
Yeah, nevertheless, it's the impact of Fellaini's leg on Mané's that constitutes force enough to become a foul. Just my opinion, I'm glad it wasn't a penalty.
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Of course, but if Mane doesn't put his leg in Fellaini's path then they don't collide. You can hardly blame Fellaini who is himself trying to get to the ball.
 
Gary_Walsh_Nou_Camp_Hell said:
If the challenge was at the other end we'd be screaming for a penalty for United - I get why the scousers are pissed off with that one.

Just another example of how fecking embarrassing Fellaini is - joke of a player.
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Have a word with yourself. It was not even a close call, and Fellaini was good yesterday.
 
TheReligion said:
Of course, but if Mane doesn't put his leg in Fellaini's path then they don't collide. You can hardly blame Fellaini who is himself trying to get to the ball.
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Like Lamela. Not so sure about Fellaini's innocence there.;)
 
Android1974 said:
Yeah, nevertheless, it's the impact of Fellaini's leg on Mané's that constitutes force enough to become a foul. Just my opinion, I'm glad it wasn't a penalty.
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I thought being a city lover you'd want it to be a penalty?
 
Android1974 said:
Like Lamela. Not so sure about Fellaini's innocence there.;)
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What's Lamela got to do with this?

My point is you can't commit a foul you know nothing about and that someone else initiates. If someone ran into me and we both ended up on the floor you couldn't blow a foul against me.
 
arnie_ni said:
I thought being a city lover you'd want it to be a penalty?
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Don't believe every tag you read. That was put up by someone who didn't like me making fun of Arsenal being “unlucky” against City. It's a stupid thing of this forum, but I couldn't care less.
 
TheReligion said:
What's Lamela got to do with this?

My point is you can't commit a foul you know nothing about and that someone else initiates. If someone ran into me and we both ended up on the floor you couldn't blow a foul against me.
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Of course you can, a foul doesn't depend on intention. That's why people tend to think stupid penalties are not penalties. “Oh, he didn't mean it!”
 
It wasn’t a fecking penalty. Anyone who says otherwise is a blind Fellaini hater.
 
Android1974 said:
Of course you can, a foul doesn't depend on intention. That's why people tend to think stupid penalties are not penalties. “Oh, he didn't mean it!”
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Isn't a foul defined as an unfair act? Not sure how Fellaini commits one in the circumstances when Mane initiates contact and they both fall to the floor in a tangle.
 
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