No. I have the same view.....
Seriously though, I think the fact he is next to unbuyable proves he is probably considered the better player. I mean his price tag of 60 odd million isn't really out of place TBH.
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Seriously though, I think the fact he is next to unbuyable proves he is probably considered the better player. I mean his price tag of 60 odd million isn't really out of place TBH.
Like you said Cavani has a better team around him and the attacking/creativity talent in Napoli is way better than Athletico's. You could also argue that Falcao in a top tier team could tear everyone else a new one with his link up play and finishing ability. I still Falcao is the best striker in the world right now. My top 5 strikers today are Falcao, Ibra, RVP, Cavani and Lewandoski. What Falcao is doing in Athletico is way more impressive than either what Lewandoski is doing for Dortmund or what Cavani is doing for Napoli.
Right now based on form Falcao isn't even Atletico's best player, but he's still scoring some impressive statistics this season. His goals at the weekend were typical of what he can do, but they were both handed to him on a plate by Atletico's 2 best players of this calendar year. He's lethal, I've not seen enough of Cavani to give an informed opinion on him. One of my mates watch Napoli every now and then and raves about him all the time.
Oh there is no doubt Cavani is a top striker and he is just about to enter his peak years. I think he might leave in the summer as well with City looking like the most likely destination. And I think given his physique and strength, he might excel in the premier league with the likes of Silva and Aguero playing behind him.
Falcao is much better finisher, but Cavani offers much more to build up play, but I must admit I am not biggest fan of any of those two(even tough they are obviously excellent players), I would never swap RvP for them.
IMO, Falcao's style of play is identical to our Hernandez's, neither of them is excellent in build up, and both like to run behind the defence.
Of course, Falcao is better player, has better technique and ball control, but I really wouldn't bet on Falcao outscoring Chicharito here. Actually, it's interesting comparing their statistics even this season:
Falcao:
Scores every 99 minutes, goal+assist every 92 minutes.
Hernandez:
Scores every 123 minutes, goal+assist every 85 mins.
And if you exclude 8(!!) penalties from Falcao, Chicharito statisticly beats him in everything.
Of course, that doesn't mean anything, but I just wanted to point out how similar type of player we already have.
IMO, Falcao's style of play is identical to our Hernandez's, neither of them is excellent in build up, and both like to run behind the defence.
Of course, Falcao is better player, has better technique and ball control, but I really wouldn't bet on Falcao outscoring Chicharito here. Actually, it's interesting comparing their statistics even this season:
Falcao:
Scores every 99 minutes, goal+assist every 92 minutes.
Hernandez:
Scores every 123 minutes, goal+assist every 85 mins.
And if you exclude 8(!!) penalties from Falcao, Chicharito statisticly beats him in everything.
Of course, that doesn't mean anything, but I just wanted to point out how similar type of player we already have.
if we sign Falcao will the Stretty sing Rock Me Amadeus for him?
Yeah, feck Falcao. Just play Hernandez more.
I think Messi may have something to say about your top 5 strikers to be fair...
On this weeks Guardian Football Weekly podcast Sid Lowe basically called Falcao a penalty box player (something SAF has recently described Chicharito as) with good movement who pounces on half chances but doesn't contribute much to the build up.
I don't watch Falcao week in week out but given the same minutes this season I doubt Chicharito's goals would be inferior and Falcao has just one assist in 27 la Liga starts when Hernandez has two for us in just 7 PL starts which says a lot imo.
Apart from that, Hernandez would score a lot as well in La Liga given enough starts/appearances. It's just that, he can't hold on to a permanent starting spot over here.
Agreed. Would it be worth buying a very similar player in terms of style (penalty box player) and productivity for €57m or what ever Falcao's buy out clause is?
The difference for me is Falcao is a big game player, has he not scored in every final hes played since moving to Europe?.
Lets not forget aswell that we create a hell of a lot more chances than Atletico do.
Hernandez is a fantastic goalscorer and i personally hope we hang onto him.
Lets not forget aswell that we create a hell of a lot more chances than Atletico do.
Hernandez is a fantastic goalscorer and i personally hope we hang onto him.
The thing actually is, the number of goals Falcao scores that puts him above the rest. 66 in 84 apps for Atletico, 72 in 87 for Porto. That is the reason why he is considered superior than every other striker for the past 2-3 seasons.
Hernandez would almost certainly score just as many league goals as Falcao does. Falcao's gained a reputation he doesn't entirely deserve based on his ability to score absolute buckets of goals in the Europa League, but then Fernando Torres does that too. It seems mad to say he's 'merely' one of the best strikers in the world, but it's true, and the hype surrounding him (I've heard him called the third best player in the world more than once) has gotten stupid.
So a hatrick against Chelsea and goals against Barcelona and Real Madrid mean nothing then? You are saying Hernandez would score 25+ league goals at Atletico Madrid. I highly doubt it.
Who says they 'mean nothing'? I'm just saying they don't prove anything like he's the best forward in the world, and what possible reason would there be for Hernandez not to score 25+ league goals at Atleti if he played every week and took all the penalties?
Hell, if you're saying that scoring against Chelsea is the ultimate achievement that Chicharito is already the best in the world (although obviously you wouldn't, as Chelsea aren't even in Europe's top ten)/ He's consistently scored a goal every 90 minutes in the Premier League (every 95 minutes this season), give him 32 starts in La Liga and he'd go nuts.
Hell, if you're saying that scoring against Chelsea is the ultimate achievement that Chicharito is already the best in the world (although obviously you wouldn't, as Chelsea aren't even in Europe's top ten)/ He's consistently scored a goal every 90 minutes in the Premier League (every 95 minutes this season), give him 32 starts in La Liga and he'd go nuts.
I think you are forgetting the team both of them are playing in and the players they have around them. Hernandez has a far superior skill of players in his team and they create bucket loads of chances for their strikers. I think Falcao had a better team when he was in Porto than in Athletico and he has still proven that he create his own chances and also be a big fish in a small pond. I am not sure Hernandez can just create his own chances. You supply Hernandez the ball, he is very good at running behind the defender and his finishing isnt bad either. But Falcao is just one of those players who is absolutely class and has proven that over the past few seasons.
He's definitely a head down type of player and it certainly hasn't failed him personally and whilst playing for Porto and Atletico Madrid, both clubs have been somewhat successful given their stature.
We certainly don't need him, and I think it'd be madness for us to look at him over other areas in the team which are quite clearly lacking quantity in quality. I'd have him here in a heartbeat if one of Rooney or Hernandez were to leave, providing other areas of the team were also invested in.
It'll be interesting to see if he does move in the summer and if it does work out because he may well be one of those players who goes one level too high and it all falls down...or he could go on to continue his fantastic goalscoring run and success story.
We certainly don't need him, and I think it'd be madness for us to look at him over other areas in the team which are quite clearly lacking quantity in quality. I'd have him here in a heartbeat if one of Rooney or Hernandez were to leave, providing other areas of the team were also invested in.
It'll be interesting to see if he does move in the summer and if it does work out because he may well be one of those players who goes one level too high and it all falls down...or he could go on to continue his fantastic goalscoring run and success story.
I see a lot of people are resenting us going for Falcao since we have more pressing concerns to address in midfield. But my question is lets says we do sign a midfielder, maybe Strootman or Wanyama or who ever, and then on top of that we sign Falcao. Would people be happy that we did sign a central midfielder or still pissed off that we ended up signing Falcao?
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First sign a midfielder and then anything can happen for me
Is Falcao worth the price tag on his head and he isn't even young either?
Are you serious? Have you even watched Napoli this season?
They certainly play more open than Atletico.
They are based on a solid rear with a good counter attack ability.
Only recently have they opened up a little by using Costa up top with Falcao also.
Napoli score and ship goals for fun, they are entertaining to watch because they are so open.
Then again though even at Palermo he scored goals for fun, i think he could do it anywhere tbh.
They are quite similar teams in terms of style, its just that Napoli have a poor defence compared to Atletico.
Cavani never "scored for fun" at Palermo, he was actually one of the most wasteful strikers in the league at that point in his career and was often played out wide.
Cavani never "scored for fun" at Palermo, he was actually one of the most wasteful strikers in the league at that point in his career and was often played out wide.
Is this becoming the new Sneijder thread.
He was top scorer (or very close) in Italy at the time and almost got Palermo champions league football if im not correct? He is definitely a class act on his day.
He was never ever within single digits of top scorer in Serie A when he was at Palermo. When they almost made the Champions League in 2010, he tied for 10th.
Pastore and Miccoli were more important to Palermo in that season, Cavani was good but nowhere near the goal machine he has become under Mazzarri at Napoli.
A lot of that has to do with the more restricted role he's been given at Napoli, a bit like what we did with Rooney in 2009/10.
A lot of that has to do with the more restricted role he's been given at Napoli, a bit like what we did with Rooney in 2009/10.
Ok ive got the bit about the scoring wrong, but Palermo were certainly in contention with getting a CL place.
"he retained his place for the 2009–10 season under new boss Walter Zenga, and also under successor Delio Rossi, being instrumental in the team's successful run in Serie A which took Palermo to European qualification and potential qualification to the UEFA Champions League with two games remaining."
Either way he is currently the best striker in Seria A alongside Di Natale.
"he retained his place for the 2009–10 season under new boss Walter Zenga, and also under successor Delio Rossi, being instrumental in the team's successful run in Serie A which took Palermo to European qualification and potential qualification to the UEFA Champions League with two games remaining."
Either way he is currently the best striker in Seria A alongside Di Natale.
Exactly.
Scored a boat load for Porto. Questions asked whether he could do it for Athletico and he has. He's also done it big games - he was awesome in the game against Chelsea.
Until this season I'd definitely have chosen Cavani over Falcao. Now I honestly cant choose between them. But what I do know is I still rate Cavani over Suarez.
Zlatan named but no Suarez? Zlatan isn't even in my top 10.
He has 33 goals and 9 assists this season, and he has so much more to his game than just goals. You forgetting how he single handedly destroyed england already?
I dont know which part to laugh at more. That you would have Suarez in your side over Zlatan or that Zlatan isnt even in your top 10 strikers list currently? Which prompts me to ask who exactly do you have in your top 10?Falcao:
That denial along with Fergies are seriously unconcvincing. If you can call it a denial.
Ah c'mon rock me Radamel...
Didn't David De Gea also say he had no idea about the United rumours just before he went on duty with Spain? It could well just be him saving face to show he's committed to Athletico until the end of the season. And Ferguson wouldn't announce a transfer until it's sealed, so him denying it doesn't really mean anything.
Still, I have my doubts it will happen at all.
Still, I have my doubts it will happen at all.
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