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bosnian_red said:
I think it's because of the fact that many strikers look amazing in the bundesliga, much better then they actually are. Dzeko looked like one of the best strikers in the world at Wolfsburg, and although he is a very good striker, he's not as good as he showed in the bundesliga. Same with Mario Gomez, who always gets loads of goals there but he's not rated too highly. Lewandowski I think is probably at dzeko level, but not as good as Falcao who has shown what a great goalscorer he is everywhere he has gone.
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Huh?

Statistically, his scorer-minute ratio looked like this:

- 08/09 - 73,0
- 09/10 - 93,8
- 10/11 - 137,1 (Bundesliga) / 213,5 (Prem)
- 11/12 - 79,4
- 12/13 - 84,8

I honestly don´t see much of a difference between the leagues. Once Dzeko settled in the Prem he nearly reached his top stat of his breakthrough season at Wolfsburg, when they won the league. Overall he scores around every 80 minutes, which is a really good figure, especially giving the way Mancini uses him. This has mostly to do with competition in the team and not with the league.

Gomez is a completely different topic, because he is a classic box striker, which become more and more a dying breed and are therefor not rated as highly.
 
Sphaero said:
Huh?

Statistically, his scorer-minute ratio looked like this:

- 08/09 - 73,0
- 09/10 - 93,8
- 10/11 - 137,1 (Bundesliga) / 213,5 (Prem)
- 11/12 - 79,4
- 12/13 - 84,8

I honestly don´t see much of a difference between the leagues. Once Dzeko settled in the Prem he nearly reached his top stat of his breakthrough season at Wolfsburg, when they won the league. Overall he scores around every 80 minutes, which is a really good figure, especially giving the way Mancini uses him. This has mostly to do with competition in the team and not with the league. Also, scoring 15 a season from limited appearances doesn't quite have the same effect on most people as scoring 30 goals in twice as much time, even though it's roughly the same ratio.

Gomez is a completely different topic, because he is a classic box striker, which become more and more a dying breed and are therefor not rated as highly.
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There isn't much a difference in his stats, but it's just the way people view him. He hardly ever gets a proper chance to get a run of games going so that will hurt peoples perception of him, because the average person thinks if he isn't playing then he must just not be good enough. He doesn't play as much as before so he won't get the proper recognition he deserves until he leaves I think.

Lewandowski, at least whenever I've seen him (granted not as much as you have obviously but still a good amount) has always looked a very good striker, but not at the very top level of strikers, at least not yet. He doesn't have like one specific attribute that you can say is his best quality, he's more of an all around forward. Because of that, he probably doesn't get as much recognition as he should. You can't say he's an incredibly lethal player like Falcao, or that he's in Van Persie's level in terms of hold up play, or Ibrahimovic's level in terms of skill, but he's still very good in all those aspects.
 
Aboutreika18 said:
Ignore him, he doesn't actually watch any football, he's just here for the transfer muppetry.
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You know so much about me and I dont even know who you are. Also anyone who watches football today will agree with me that currently Falcao is better than Lewandowski.
 
bosnian_red said:
There isn't much a difference in his stats, but it's just the way people view him. He hardly ever gets a proper chance to get a run of games going so that will hurt peoples perception of him, because the average person thinks if he isn't playing then he must just not be good enough. He doesn't play as much as before so he won't get the proper recognition he deserves until he leaves I think.

Lewandowski, at least whenever I've seen him (granted not as much as you have obviously but still a good amount) has always looked a very good striker, but not at the very top level of strikers, at least not yet. He doesn't have like one specific attribute that you can say is his best quality, he's more of an all around forward. Because of that, he probably doesn't get as much recognition as he should. You can't say he's an incredibly lethal player like Falcao, or that he's in Van Persie's level in terms of hold up play, or Ibrahimovic's level in terms of skill, but he's still very good in all those aspects.
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No, he actually does have one. He is extremely good at stopping and controlling balls. You can basically play him passes from every angle and he gets them under control. This together with his strength to hold onto balls in particular makes him so valuable for Klopp´s favoured system at Dortmund, which is based on three core themes: pressing, speed and directness.

The goal of their most plays is to catch the opposing team off guard and get the ball as fast as possible in the danger zone. How do you accomplish that? Two options: very direct combination play (mostly with just one touch) or long passes. Dortmund uses both.

Hummels is famous for his accurate long passes, which have most of the time one target: Lewandowski. Once he gets the ball and brings him down, he holds onto him until the fast offensive midfielders catch up. I could literally point out dozens of goals, that start with that pattern.

I also don´t think, that you can call Falcao that more lethal in this season, when they both have basically the same shot per goal ratio....
 
http://sportwitness.ning.com/forum/...in-on-falcao-to-manchester-united-press-say-c

Since Marca dropped the bomb of Falcao to Manchester United, there hasn't really been any updates, there's been a whole raft of speculation and counter speculation, but nothing actually new which sounded believable. The English media are playing catch-up and suggesting players who would be used in a swap deal but seeing as they had no idea about the potential transfer before Marca mentioned it, that's surely just speculation too.

Marca themselves have taken to reporting the reaction to their own rumour and today published an article titled 'Falcao and the domino effect' which mentioned rumours being conjured up in England and South America relating to Wayne Rooney and Javier Hernandez being part of the deal.

In today's newspaper, Marca seem to have totally forgotten about the claims. It's not mentioned on their front page, it's not tucked just inside the cover, and it's not in their Atletico Madrid section. There are nine articles on Atletico, and Falcao himself covers two pages, but not one mention of him signing for Manchester United next summer. Marca even find room to do a piece on on-loan Chelsea goalkeeper Courtois being taught how to do CPR, but no room for the huge transfer gossip they started.

Yesterday, there was nothing on the rumour either, not even a little snippet. On Thursday, the day after they dropped the bomb, they covered the reaction to it and carried a screenshot of the Manchester United website which they - and Terra in Colombia - suggested confirmed the club's interest. Manchester United do a daily round-up of gossip relating to the football club and this isn't the first time the foreign press have become confused by it. It's understandable but it clearly confuses readers overseas, if an English newspaper reported that Atletico Madrid had said on their website Manchester United were interested then the story would sound far more realistic - and it's the reverse of that which has happened in Spain.

Subsequently, and again understandably, there has been a flood of money put on Falcao to Manchester United. One betting company in Spain has seen a big rush in people backing him to make the move and his odds have fallen to 2.2 (see left) which is very short for a transfer. The betting company involved? Marca.

It was on Wednesday that the Spanish newspaper initially carried the story on their front page and they later did an online article explaining how his odds were tumbling and people were rushing to bet, at that stage Chelsea were still the clear favourites on Marca Bet - probably because the newspaper have continually said that's his likeliest option - and Manchester United were at 4.5. On Thursday Marca incorrectly suggested that Manchester United's official website had confirmed interest and today his odds with Marca Bet stand at 2.2 to move to Old Trafford. Chelsea have drifted out to 5.0, from a position of 4.0 on Wednesday afternoon.

Marca have got a huge conflict of interest on their hands, it's a story they started and one which they will profit from whatever happens. Because they'd been running articles on him moving to Chelsea, the London club were favourites and had been backed heavily on their website, they've now managed to hedge their risk and won't be left exposed if he signs for either club. They've even got the brass neck to have the strap-line 'Everything you read influences your bets' underneath their logo.

Wherever he now ends up, because Marca have strongly linked him with Real Madrid, Chelsea and Manchester United, Marca Bet won't lose out.

It's easy to get very cynical.
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Can we all stop selling Hernandez and Rooney now?
 
Sphaero said:
I also don´t think, that you can call Falcao that more lethal in this season, when they both have basically the same shot per goal ratio....
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IMO, Lewandowski's gpg has been inflated by Dortmund's dominance (similar to Cristiano, Messi, M.Gómez) + fluid, positive style, whereas Falcao is far more isolated for a very cagey and defensive Atlético side.

Now, as a forward Lewa is far more complete and better at hold-up play & setting up others, but purely as a goalscorer there can't be much debate. You won't very often see Falcão miss chances like Lewandowski did against Málaga for example.

Though I don't see how Utd need either of them at the moment. One requires to be surrounded by pacey, technical players (Kagawa and RVP maybe?), the other requires service from the midfield/wings (yeah...).
 
It was Götze who missed most chances for Dortmund, Lewandowski had two good opportunities over two legs and scored one.
 
Sphaero said:
Huh?

Statistically, his scorer-minute ratio looked like this:

- 08/09 - 73,0
- 09/10 - 93,8
- 10/11 - 137,1 (Bundesliga) / 213,5 (Prem)
- 11/12 - 79,4
- 12/13 - 84,8

I honestly don´t see much of a difference between the leagues. Once Dzeko settled in the Prem he nearly reached his top stat of his breakthrough season at Wolfsburg, when they won the league. Overall he scores around every 80 minutes, which is a really good figure, especially giving the way Mancini uses him. This has mostly to do with competition in the team and not with the league.

Gomez is a completely different topic, because he is a classic box striker, which become more and more a dying breed and are therefor not rated as highly.
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It's not just about goals though. Dzeko's passing % is under 70%, worse than Giroud, Torres, Mandzukic, Schieber, Higuaín, Balotelli and pretty much every other forward at a top club. I don't think a player like that could succeed at Dortmund.
 
Sir Alex Ferguson rejects talk linking Manchester United with Radamel Falcao


Sir Alex Ferguson has rejected speculation linking Manchester United with a summer move for Atletico Madrid striker Radamel Falcao.

There have been plenty of press reports touting the Colombia international with a switch to Old Trafford after a report in Spanish newspaper Marca claimed that United were close to agreeing a deal.

Sky Bet cut the Red Devils from 11/1 to 6/5 to sign Falcao in the next transfer window but Ferguson has now played down the rumours.

"Do you honestly believe that?" he is quoted as saying on the club's official website.

"Really? It does amaze me that you come up with that one."

http://www1.skysports.com/football/...linking-Manchester-United-with-Radamel-Falcao
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He might be bluffing but let's move on now ;)
 
Just scored two goals today, which makes it 30 goals for the season in all competitions.
 
He didn't actually deny it though did he...

It's on :drool:
 
I'd rather we spent the 50 odd million he'd cost on Bale.
 
If we do end up buying him (probably not, but I never believed we would buy van Persie so we do love our front players), then I lose all hope that we'll ever buy a natural central midfielder in Fergie's reign.
 
Times says chief scout Jim Lawlor was at the game yesterday watching Falcao.
 
I'd like to see that Fergie quote in context. If the question asked was regarding a deal all ready being done it would be pretty similar to this denial when asked whether United had signed De Gea:

"On Italian television I am supposed to be signing two players from Italy tonight, so I can place that story along with those," he said.

"There is always speculation about who we are going to sign. So many people throw names at me. I can't answer it."
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http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/...ave-agreed-deal-for-david-de-gea-2267110.html
 
I pretty much don't pay any attention at all to what Sir Alex says regarding transfers, he's said enough contradictory things over the years for his word on them to be basically worthless.
 
All i know is that if Falcao genuinely is on the market then i do feel Fergie will be interested.

Fergie loves a penalty box striker, and he is the closest thing to RVN on the planet right now IMO.
 
gza the genius said:
I pretty much don't pay any attention at all to what Sir Alex says regarding transfers, he's said enough contradictory things over the years for his word on them to be basically worthless.
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My recollection is he doesn't lie as much about transfers as he does about everything else. I can't remember him denying interest in a player we subsequently bought.
 
Will Absolute said:
My recollection is he doesn't lie as much about transfers as he does about everything else. I can't remember him denying interest in a player we subsequently bought.
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Exactly, he usually refuses to talk when asked about players that he then signs.
 
Fergie denied the stories about de Gea roughly two years ago, so I wouldn't read too much into his comments about Falcao.

I'm pretty sure we have been keeping eyes on him.
 
Falcao is probably the best striker in Europe & has been for past two seasons, he's the complete striker & i'd love him at United, aswell as other additions of course.

Nani for me has been a waste of space for us far too many times over the years, so flog him & use the funds to buy Bale or yer wide lad from Porto (Rodrigez i think) & a Central mid-fielder or two also.

A Centre-half might be on Fergies shopping list also - that Argie lad (Gouray i think) that plays in Spain has been linked with us over the season & lets face it - Vidic & Rio are in & out of the squad, nevermind the first team, quite alot of the time now & we need to do alot better in knock-out stages of the Champions League. We cant keep making excuses all the time!

I couldnt give a shit if folk say we're buying titles by us spending loads, we bring in shit-loads of revenue from all corners of the world, so i hope we break the bank in the summer & that'll keep us on top domestically & take us further in Europe for the next number of years!
 
Baxter said:
Times says chief scout Jim Lawlor was at the game yesterday watching Falcao.
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Sounds like a lazy bullshit story. I reckon if there's any truth in it, we are after someone else from Atletico.

I mean why the feck would anyone need to "scout" Falcao personally? He's world class, everyone with a brain already knows that.
 
It's strange that he left Porto for Athletico. I was expecting one of the big boys to cash in as he was already belting goals in for fun. I know it's a lesser league, but he clearly looked miles better than any other striker in Portugal.
 
Am I the only one that thinks Cavani's even better than Falcao? Over the last two seasons (in all competitions) Falcao's scored 75 in 98 while Cavani's scored 67 in 86 - roughly the same rate. I don't think Cavani's quite as good a goalscorer and benefits from Napoli's more attacking play but then he contributes so much besides goals that he's probably the better forward. Cavani's possibly the best player in the league and in a team like Juventus could reach Henry levels of league dominance. I know it wouldn't be good for competitiveness and this Napoli team could become CL regulars but he could be something special playing for someone like Dortmund.
 
Reckon it's a pretty close comparison, one thing is for sure is that they are both ruthless goalgetters capable of any type of goal from any angle. Cavani is probably more hard working than Falcao and more of a battling forward who will put his body on the line. Cavani would probably cost more than what is being quoted for Falcao though. Chelsea would be scary if they added either to their frontline for next season.
 
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