Falcao

Status
Not open for further replies.
Brwned said:
Ok. If we'd have signed Nesta in 2008 do you think that would have been a good long-term investment?
Click to expand...

What's Nesta got to do with this? :wenger:

Nesta was 32 in 2008; hardly comparable in terms of long term investment to a 27yo Falcao in 2013. I've no idea what your point is supposed to be here.

The fact is, having Rooney and RvP is very good, but having Rooney, RvP and Falcao would be better. When you play two up top I don't think having three truly world class strikers is overkill. We're not restricted to buying only one player this year, this isn't a Carrick or Ronaldinho, Falcao or CM situation; we could have both, and when a player of Falcao's calibre becomes available it'd do well to try and attain his signature.

Most of you didn't want RvP either ffs! You moan when we don't keep up with the Jones' and then you moan regardless when we do. You Ihni binni dimi diniwiny anitaime just like to moan about United.
 
I'm with cider on this one. When a player of Falcao's quality becomes available, you go for him. It's the same as Ferdinand, Rooney, Veron, RVP etc. SAF doesn't pass up the opportunity to sign the worlds best players if they are on the market, especially if he thinks they are the real deal and would bring some genuine quality to the team.

I think it's the same reason he was in for Lucas, Sanchez and Hazard. You just bring players like that in if you can.
 
It's impossible to know how true these rumours are, but it is easily being dismissed purely because it's not a 'typical' United transfer. The recent influx of wealthy teams owned by oil-rich lunatics may possibly force United to take a more aggressive approach in the transfer market, and if Falcao is a player Sir Alex truly wants, then I'm sure he will do all he can to bring him here, with upfront payments outside of the window, or whatever it is that is being rumoured.

Didn't Ed Woodward claim that he wanted to make a wave in the transfer market when he took over from Gill, and now with a few weeks to go, we're linked with Falcao? It doesn't seem all that ridiculous.

I doubt there's any way we could accommodate all of our current strikers plus Falcao, as we are already struggling to play Hernandez at all, or Welbeck in a central position. So if the move comes off, perhaps a player will be going the other way, or maybe Rooney off elsewhere?

I'd hate to see Rooney leave, but it doesn't seem completely out of the question. I still love the guy. I don't think I've ever been more excited about us signing a player since Andy Cole, and then he signed, and it was huge. Rooney was a big deal, and has been the spine of our team for a long time. A strikeforce of Rooney, RVP and Falcao sounds great in a fantasy world, but how do you even play all 3? Then again, City manage to play Dzeko, Tevez and Aguero in the same game sometimes without much of a problem.
 
If Falcao is on the market and keen to join us, we'd be absolute numpties not to sign him. I'd rather have the problem of fitting him into our system than facing the prospect of him up front for Chelsea.
 
nahealai said:
If Falcao is on the market and keen to join us, we'd be absolute numpties not to sign him. I'd rather have the problem of fitting him into our system than facing the prospect of him up front for Chelsea.
Click to expand...

Definitely. He would slot right in that Chelsea. It's a simple tactical tweak. Play him ahead of the other two strikers who aren't any good.
 
OnlyTwoDaSilvas said:
Then again, City manage to play Dzeko, Tevez and Aguero in the same game sometimes without much of a problem.
Click to expand...

City's midfield is arguably the strongest in the league, though. If we played Rooney, van Persie and Falcao all at once, with the likes of Giggs in central midfield behind them, we'd be murdered.

Central midfield needs to be rectified badly. The sky is the limit with this current squad if we managed to get in a midfield enforcer and another good playmaker.
 
This is Falcao we're talking about FFS.

La Liga is literally Barca vs Real Madrid vs Falcao. The guy is a beast, and as mentioned, we would be numpties to not pounce on a potential transfer.

RVP + Falcao is a scary proposition. With Rooney behind them, being allowed to drop into midfield as well as play a Scholesy role, sexy mexy.

Having said that, I would be sad to see Chicha leave. The guy loves the club, and is a goal poacher with his peak years ahead of him.
 
nahealai said:
City's midfield is arguably the strongest in the league, though. If we played Rooney, van Persie and Falcao all at once, with the likes of Giggs in central midfield behind them, we'd be murdered.

Central midfield needs to be rectified badly. The sky is the limit with this current squad if we managed to get in a midfield enforcer and another good playmaker.
Click to expand...

Could we get away with Falcao as the lead striker, and Kagawa, Rooney and RVP as a roaming force behind?

Use the fullbacks as width and have 2 solid but hard working cm's (carrick ***)

and i think it could work nicely.
 
Adam-Utd said:
Could we get away with Falcao as the lead striker, and Kagawa, Rooney and RVP as a roaming force behind?

Use the fullbacks as width and have 2 solid but hard working cm's (carrick ***)

and i think it could work nicely.
Click to expand...

Personally, I think for that to work, you'd need somebody more mobile than Carrick. I'm thinking a Gundogan and Vidal partnership - energetic, tough-tackling, and an eye for a pass. Imagine this:

De Gea

Rafael - Ferdinand - Vidic - Evra

Gundogan - Vidal

Rooney - van Persie - Kagawa

Falcao​


Let the wanking commence...
 
Cina said:
I'd say that's easily debatable to be honest Sarni. Falcao is pretty fecking amazing and he's three years younger than RvP as well.
Click to expand...

Exactly, it's debatable which means they are close, which in turn means it makes no sense to spend €50m to replace one with another.
 
Adam-Utd said:
Could we get away with Falcao as the lead striker, and Kagawa, Rooney and RVP as a roaming force behind?

Use the fullbacks as width and have 2 solid but hard working cm's (carrick ***)

and i think it could work nicely.
Click to expand...

No, we wouldn't. Van Persie is a forward and should be used up top, not behind someone else.
 
De Gea

Rafael - Ferdinand - Vidic - Evra

Carrick

Valencia - Rooney - Kagawa

Falcao - Van Persie
​


-----

Or something of the sort.. It does narrow us down a little bit
 
Q80 said:
This is Falcao we're talking about FFS.

La Liga is literally Barca vs Real Madrid vs Falcao. The guy is a beast, and as mentioned, we would be numpties to not pounce on a potential transfer.

RVP + Falcao is a scary proposition. With Rooney behind them, being allowed to drop into midfield as well as play a Scholesy role, sexy mexy.

Having said that, I would be sad to see Chicha leave. The guy loves the club, and is a goal poacher with his peak years ahead of him.
Click to expand...

He's great but we don't need him. What if we end up with Falcao, Rooney and van Persie and Lewandowski becomes available. Do we need to buy him because he's the best forward in Bundesliga? No, because we don't need him.
 
Sarni said:
No, we wouldn't. Van Persie is a forward and should be used up top, not behind someone else.
Click to expand...

RVP is much better than just a goal scorer.

He can play as AMC just as well as Rooney can, if not better IMO
 
Sarni said:
He's great but we don't need him. What if we end up with Falcao, Rooney and van Persie and Lewandowski becomes available. Do we need to buy him because he's the best forward in Bundesliga? No, because we don't need him.
Click to expand...

I personally wouldnt place Lewandowski anywhere near RVP / Falcao. He's a great player, yes, but not someone I would consider altering my formation to accommodate him.

If Ronaldo became available, would we pass him up because we didnt need him? Zaha is on his way..

The point im trying to make is that when a player of his calibre becomes available, we would be silly to not even consider him an option.
 
As has been the case recently it doesn't matter who you have up top if SAF doesn't sort out Midfield (central and on the wings) then you wouldn't get the best out of a Falcao anyway
 
Since we basically always play a 4-2-3-1 these days, with Rooney being more of an attacking midfielder than a forward, I can't really see us going for him if Rooney is here. The only way that would work is to move Rooney to a wide left position on a more regular basis, with van Persie playing behind Falcao. I don't see Fergie doing that though.

Still, if Fergie wants him I'm all for it. Falcao is an absolute beast and if Fergie thinks he can make it work then it would definitely be worth the outlay.
 
Maajid said:
Obviously we're not allowed one player per transfer window but buying Falcao would exhaust a large part of our budget, don't you think?
Click to expand...

No.

Imo, Falcao makes sense if Fergie wants rid of Rooney. Otherwise, no.

As far as money goes, the Bleacher article assumes a very limited transfer budget, which isn't necessarily the case. I'm not sure about our present cash situation, but I think it was about £60m last time I checked, and it might have increased since.

A 'muppet' calculation suggests we can raise plenty of money for all our targets:

In:

Falcao (Hernandez in part exchange)................................ £27m
Strootman................................................................... £20m
James Rodriguez (Anderson in part exchange).................... £20m
Total........................................................................... £67m

Out:

Bebe and Macheda......................................................... £5m
Nani............................................................................ £23m
Young or Valencia (possible if not likely).......................... £14m
Rooney........................................................................ £35m
Total........................................................................... £67m

Net outlay: £0

All that's pretty fanciful, of course; but if there was a big clear out to make way for new players, we could raise a lot of cash.
 
Brwned said:
He'd definitely offer us an aerial threat that the other two don't have and few big teams cross it as much as we do but there just isn't any space for him at all. Hernández has started just 6 league games this year. I don't think you can use the Madrid game to prove RvP's not clinical enough though, even RvN failed to score v Porto in 2004 and Milan in 2005. It's just one of those things. He's excelled at everything else you'd want from a #9 in the big games this year. Great defensive work, brilliant hold-up play, scored and created goals out of nothing (the two free kicks v City alone show that) and ultimately looked far more comfortable being isolated up there than Rooney or Ronaldo have done in the past. In fact when Ronaldo played up top he tended to give the ball away a lot (Barca '09), miss key chances and generally look frustrated and unhappy in that role (Barca '08).
Click to expand...

I agree that RvP's hold up play was excellent but scoring in domestic ties and doing so against european teams is a slightly different kettle of fish, I guess one could argue Falcao has never played in the CL so how can we guarantee he'll be a better big match striker than RvP.

Just a tough call but I do think Falcao would edge it in my opinion. In addition to this there's also the issue of RvP and burnout, even if he had scored against Madrid .. what was to guarantee him being as lethal during the remainder of the campaign? he looks very leggy and tired at the moment.. if next year we were to be there or thereabouts, could we guarantee a fully fit and firing Rooney and RvP to last the entire season? both don't seem the naturally fittest of players.
 
Q80 said:
De Gea

Rafael - Ferdinand - Vidic - Evra

Carrick

Valencia - Rooney - Kagawa

Falcao - Van Persie
​


-----

Or something of the sort.. It does narrow us down a little bit
Click to expand...

Two-man midfield is usually getting overrun by better sides and you want us to play 1-man midfield? Has anyone ever succeeded with 1-man midfield?

Replacing van Persie with Falcao makes no sense. Van Persie has done great for us. Playing both of them also wouldn't work, especially if we are going to play Rooney as well.
 
Got a feeling its:

Falcao in

Rooney out

Although, that would be a sad day to see Rooney leave.
 
Raees said:
I agree that RvP's hold up play was excellent but scoring in domestic ties and doing so against european teams is a slightly different kettle of fish, I guess one could argue Falcao has never played in the CL so how can we guarantee he'll be a better big match striker than RvP.

Just a tough call but I do think Falcao would edge it in my opinion. In addition to this there's also the issue of RvP and burnout, even if he had scored against Madrid .. what was to guarantee him being as lethal during the remainder of the campaign? he looks very leggy and tired at the moment.. if next year we were to be there or thereabouts, could we guarantee a fully fit and firing Rooney and RvP to last the entire season? both don't seem the naturally fittest of players.
Click to expand...

Falcao also has a brilliant record in the Europa league. Think he broke the record in his last season with Porto for most goals in an Uefa competition.
 
How do those of you who think this is a good idea without losing Rooney/Chicharito/Welbeck think we are going to possibly fit in 5 strikers, 3 of which are among the best in the world and the other 2 extremely promising youngsters, and keep them all happy?
 
Q80 said:
Got a feeling its:

Falcao in

Rooney out

Although, that would be a sad day to see Rooney leave.
Click to expand...

We'd cope.

If I wanted goals then I'd take Falcao over Rooney anyway. As far as overall play goes, I'm not sure which player is better, but I do fancy Dortmund-form Kagawa in Rooney's position would have us playing some sexy football once again. Even Welbeck will probably be brilliant in Rooney's position eventually, he's going to be a top class player and he already works harder defensively.
 
gza the genius said:
How do those of you who think this is a good idea without losing Rooney/Chicharito/Welbeck think we are going to possibly fit in 5 strikers, 3 of which are among the best in the world and the other 2 extremely promising youngsters, and keep them all happy?
Click to expand...

I don't think Danny Welbeck will ever be a striker for us, basically.

I think he's a very talented footballer but I see his future as a wide forward.
 
If we signed him we would obviously change the system we play to fit Rooney, RVP and him in, it wouldn't be that difficult with Rooney and Van Persie being extremely versatile. Especially with our wingers being utterly meh lately, there don't even seem to be any truly brilliant wide midfield prospects out there either.
 
pocco said:
We'd cope.

If I wanted goals then I'd take Falcao over Rooney anyway. As far as overall play goes, I'm not sure which player is better, but I do fancy Dortmund-form Kagawa in Rooney's position would have us playing some sexy football once again. Even Welbeck will probably be brilliant in Rooney's position eventually, he's going to be a top class player and he already works harder defensively.
Click to expand...

Falcao is not a great technical player, the caf will probably want him sold (if we got him)when they realise he can't dribble past his own shadow. Obviously he makes up for that with his other strengths.
 
gza the genius said:
How do those of you who think this is a good idea without losing Rooney/Chicharito/Welbeck think we are going to possibly fit in 5 strikers, 3 of which are among the best in the world and the other 2 extremely promising youngsters, and keep them all happy?
Click to expand...

If he did come, then welbeck would almost certainly be seen as a winger and not a striker, even more so then now. Rooney would either be moved back into midfield so it would leave Hernandez, falcao and van Persie for the main striker, and I think van Persie would start playing in the hole for us, a position he is very capable in.
 
bosnian_red said:
If he did come, then welbeck would almost certainly be seen as a winger and not a striker, even more so then now. Rooney would either be moved back into midfield so it would leave Hernandez, falcao and van Persie for the main striker, and I think van Persie would start playing in the hole for us, a position he is very capable in.
Click to expand...

So you would have Welbeck on the wing, Van Persie as an attacking midfielder and Rooney in central midfield. That's three players out of position with Hernandez and Kagawa stuck on the bench.

Why did we sign Kagawa?
 
gza the genius said:
What's the point of having all these world class players but playing them out of position? Why not just buy someone for the position you need?
Click to expand...

Exactly. Let's buy Falcao and Garay, then play Rooney and Jones in midfield. Or feck it and buy two midfielders, play Rooney and Jones where they belong and we'll be much better.

This nonsense about moving Rooney to midfield at the age of 28 needs to stop.
 
Q80 said:
Got a feeling its:

Falcao in

Rooney out

Although, that would be a sad day to see Rooney leave.
Click to expand...

That would be mental hopefully it doesn't happen! I could understand if Zfergie got rid of Rooney and bought Bale but even that I do not want! Bale and keeping Rooney and RVP I'd ideal!
 
Lawman said:
That would be mental hopefully it doesn't happen! I could understand if Zfergie got rid of Rooney and bought Bale but even that I do not want! Bale and keeping Rooney and RVP I'd ideal!
Click to expand...

Add in Wilshere :drool:
 
Lawman said:
That would be mental hopefully it doesn't happen! I could understand if Zfergie got rid of Rooney and bought Bale but even that I do not want! Bale and keeping Rooney and RVP I'd ideal!
Click to expand...

We'd be moving van Persie back where he's worse than up front and worse than Rooney, to accommodate Falcao who we aren't even sure is better than van Persie there.
 
Theon said:
So you would have Welbeck on the wing, Van Persie as an attacking midfielder and Rooney in central midfield. That's three players out of position with Hernandez and Kagawa stuck on the bench.

Why did we sign Kagawa?
Click to expand...

Welbeck on the wing isn't really out of position, because you could argue he's more suited to that position then as a striker because of his horrid finishing. Rooney should be a leading striker anyway so I think he will be out of position either way, be it on the wing or in midfield. I think Kagawa would go on a wing as well, with Welbeck probably on the bench. Don't think we'll sign him but I was just giving an idea of how it would potentially work.
Something like:
Falcao
Kagawa RVP Rooney​
 
gza the genius said:
What's the point of having all these world class players but playing them out of position? Why not just buy someone for the position you need?
Click to expand...

I'm sure we would all love to buy a few class players in midfield, but can you really see Sir Alex bringing some in this summer? He seems to like playing players out of position then buying actual central midfielders.


Sarni said:
Exactly. Let's buy Falcao and Garay, then play Rooney and Jones in midfield. Or feck it and buy two midfielders, play Rooney and Jones where they belong and we'll be much better.

This nonsense about moving Rooney to midfield at the age of 28 needs to stop.
Click to expand...

The sad thing is, that I'm beginning to think that is a more likely scenario then us actually buying two good midfielders to improve our team. Sir Alex never buys them, but he has a great eye for defenders and strikers so it really wouldn't surprise me if he saw Rooney and Jones as the answer to our midfield problems.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.