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Cevno said:
That's because teams use them differently these days. Look at Mata, Bale, Ronaldo who all started as wingers but are used as Wing forwards/AM's/False wingers these days.
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I'm well aware of that. It's that way all over the place, down to very young players.
What I was saying is that in the olden SAF days, about 10-15 years ago when myself played football and was a winger, things were a lot different. These inside forwards/wingers were rare. 4-3-3 was rarely used by teams. The game was overall more rigid.

I think SAF is doing the right thing. Only slowly changing it. It's good to be able to switch from regular wingers to a more fluid attack. I myself prefer having one winger that's mostly out wide whilst the other gets a freedom to roam. Kind of like how Real have been set up for a while (the basis of their formation that is). It all depends on personnell of course but a winger on the right, two midfield players, Rooney in the hole/on the left and two strikers up top is a good attacking formation against most teams, especially with a full back like Evra attacking.
 
Another paper reporting it

That Radamel Falcao is on the market is not new. For some time, the
Atletico Madrid looks on the sale of its star the fastest way to nourish his
battered fresh money coffers. Nothing new in the state led by Miguel Angel
Gil , who has seen parading Fernando Torres , Kun Aguero and more
recently David de Gea . Debts tightened and the sale of major assets of the
template appears necessary. The policy has not been so bad the club, which
has added three European titles in the last three years despite its continued
sales. Falcao, therefore, is no exception.
Precisely in Manchester , where he emigrated two seasons ago De Gea last
outstanding talent at Atletico for 20 million euros , the offer has come
Radamel Falcao appears to be final. Sir Alex Ferguson has Colombian
striker as number one on its list of signings and the agreement with the
player is almost complete, as reported a few days ago Brand on his radio
and newspaper. The good hand of Jorge Mendes , representative of the
player, with United and their willingness to pay about 50 million euros ,
never marking its clause 60 , become the star of Atletico in 'Red Devils'
next season.

The negotiations with the player are so advanced, that Atletico assumes
that the player will be the fate of Manchester and Chelsea or Real Madrid ,
the other two big clubs who have shown their willingness to confront his
signing, as we reported in The Confidential . However, the determination of
turning Ferguson Atletico striker in United's new star has been decisive in
choosing Falcao, who sees in this move a step forward in his career needs.
The arrival of Falcao to Manchester would be the departure of one of their
forwards and they Rooney and Chicharito are the ones that have more
options, since Van Persie was the big signing of last season and their
performance is meeting expectations. For his exit Rooney looks complicated,
though Ferguson has made ​​it clear that he is no longer needed as
demonstrated by its substitution in the decisive match against Real Madrid
in the Champions League. Only a good offer from a major club could make
a difference.

The situation Chicharito is the most complicated. The presence of Mexican
striker has been diluted after being one of the sensations of the Premier and
his contribution to the team Ferguson is anecdotal. Therefore, the player
himself has made ​​known to Atletico Madrid and if Manchester Old Trafford
willingness to change by the Calderon . A transfer that would welcome the
Manzanares, although not one of their first choices. And it is ahead of
Chicharito eg Negredo . As we reported yesterday, the striker of Sevilla
Simeone is the favorite to replace Falcao progress. Fast performance and
contribution to the team are very pleased the Cholo. His signing also would
not go beyond the 18 million euros , a figure that fits into the possibilities
of Atletico concrete provided that the transfer of Falcao. The official
outcome of all this, in any case, be known in two months, when terminating
the season.
 
If you're going to post an article, translated or not, always post the link too. It's just helpful.
 
Nate Dogg said:
It seems Fergie is desperate to win the champs league one more time before he retires and feels with RVP and Falcao we have better chance of winning it.
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We can't control games from the midfield against the big boys of Europe. It won't change whoever we have up top.
 
Sixpence said:
We can't control games from the midfield against the big boys of Europe. It won't change whoever we have up top.
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Dortmund have 47% possession in their matches and a 67% pass completion.

You don't need to control matches. You have to play a good defense first and foremost. Can't lose if you don't concede. The best combination with a good defense is obviously some quick and effective counter-attacking.

Dortmund run more than any other team. That's their defensive work and number of players taking part in the counter attack making up those big running numbers.
 
Either various papers/websites might just be copying a random made-up rumour, or this story does indeed have legs.

It won't make a lot of sense, as it would not be a United signing at all. Splashing so much cash on a player of his age, especially in a position to which we are sorted at. Very strange indeed.

I still think this is just pure bullshit, and is just each tabloid copying eachother.
 
Pure speculation on my part but if Fergie is indeed after him I think it points to Him retiring in the next couple of years. Him wanting to sign players in their prime as well as nurturing the youth, so that he has a chance at one last champions league whilst also having a strong future for the next manager. However I still think this story is bollocks.
 
If he comes, Rooney is leaving imo. Doesnt make sense at all this story.
 
Falcao is a Hernandez on steroids and would suit any team to the ground but he would definitely help our style of football. Players like Rooney and RVP still don't convince me in the out and out striker role.. they're not Drogba at his peak but obviously are more all-round players but in the big games I think their versatility and tendency to get involved rather than be lethal on the goal front doesn't help us hence why Fergie in the past would stick Ronaldo up front to give us that bit of cutting edge on the counter and RVP in the Madrid game proved.. he's still not very lethal in the very tight games at the highest level yet.

For me Falcao wouldn't struggle in that role and would enhance our current style of football but if we were to improve out wide and in the mid in addition to his signing then wow, what a season in prospect. Still find it hard to believe though.
 
In my honest opinion, the three best strikers in the world today are Falcao, Van Persie and Ibra. Out of which, I think Falcao is the best in the out and out striker role. And dont give me the bullshit that 'oh he doesnt come deep to get the ball' like RVP does. I still dont consider dont Messi or Ronaldo as strikers, so I am leaving them out of this conversation.
 
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...r-news-radamel-falcao-would-not-be-the-answer

Manchester United Transfer News: Radamel Falcao Would Not Be the Answer.
Radamel Falcao is a world-class striker, but is he really going to solve Manchester United's problems?

Sir Alex Ferguson and the Red Devils apparently believe so, as the club is reportedly throwing its name in the hat. According to Chris Wheeler of The Daily Mail:

But it is understood United have now joined the bidding for the 27-year-old Colombia star and are prepared to let striker Javier Hernandez move to Madrid as part of the deal.

The Premier League leaders are ready to meet the £47m buyout clause in Falcao's contract by offering Atletico £27m cash plus Hernandez, who they value at £20m.

Although reports in Spain yesterday suggested that a downpayment has already been made, it is believed that United's interest is still in its early stages.

It's almost impossible to argue that United's attack isn't strengthened by bringing in the Colombian striker. A partnership of Falcao and Robin van Persie would be the most intimidating in the world.

Goals haven't exactly been a problem for Manchester United, though. The Red Devils have scored 71 times in the Premier League, which is 10 more than Chelsea, who is in second place.

The Wayne Rooney transfer rumors are seemingly neverending, so the arrival of Falcao would likely either precede or follow the departure of Rooney. You can see where United would want to replace a striker of Rooney's reputation with another big-name player.

But what about Javier Hernandez?

Chicharito is still only 24 years old. While not the quality of Falcao at this point, there's every reason to expect the Mexican striker would be able to suffice in the absence of Rooney.

Hernandez has scored 11 goals in 26 domestic and European league matches this season. He's energetic and always manages to pounce on any chance in the box. You could very easily see Hernandez scoring 20 goals next season if he's given a starting role.

Plus, the money spent on Falcao would inevitably subtract money from the transfer budget that could be spent much more wisely elsewhere. Ferguson is not a heavy spender during the summer, so it's unrealistic to expect him to break the bank this season.

United spent a little over £50 million on the trio of David de Gea, Ashley Young and Phil Jones back in the summer of 2011. Something comparable could be expected this summer. But with Falcao taking up £27 million, that doesn't leave much to spend on what has been United's biggest issue: midfield.

Surely the club would be much better off spending the lion's share of the transfer budget on a player like Kevin Strootman, Sven Bender, Mario Gotze, Isco, Victor Wanyama, Etienne Capoue or any combination of those players.

Manchester United is built for success in England. There's no doubt about that. Bringing in Falcao would be a shot across the bow of Europe's elite that the Red Devils are back to take their place atop the throne of club football. But what good will Falcao be if Ferguson leaves the midfield untouched?

It's hard to envision United being any more successful in Europe than it currently is by continuing to rely on Michael Carrick, Paul Scholes, Ryan Giggs and Anderson to occupy the midfield. You can have the best strikers in the world, but there rendered ineffective against good clubs when you don't have a ball-winner or someone to pull the strings in the midfield.

Falcao is a great player, but he should not be the top transfer target for Manchester United this season.
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Raees said:
Falcao is a Hernandez on steroids and would suit any team to the ground but he would definitely help our style of football. Players like Rooney and RVP still don't convince me in the out and out striker role.. they're not Drogba at his peak but obviously are more all-round players but in the big games I think their versatility and tendency to get involved rather than be lethal on the goal front doesn't help us hence why Fergie in the past would stick Ronaldo up front to give us that bit of cutting edge on the counter and RVP in the Madrid game proved.. he's still not very lethal in the very tight games at the highest level yet.

For me Falcao wouldn't struggle in that role and would enhance our current style of football but if we were to improve out wide and in the mid in addition to his signing then wow, what a season in prospect. Still find it hard to believe though.
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He'd definitely offer us an aerial threat that the other two don't have and few big teams cross it as much as we do but there just isn't any space for him at all. Hernández has started just 6 league games this year. I don't think you can use the Madrid game to prove RvP's not clinical enough though, even RvN failed to score v Porto in 2004 and Milan in 2005. It's just one of those things. He's excelled at everything else you'd want from a #9 in the big games this year. Great defensive work, brilliant hold-up play, scored and created goals out of nothing (the two free kicks v City alone show that) and ultimately looked far more comfortable being isolated up there than Rooney or Ronaldo have done in the past. In fact when Ronaldo played up top he tended to give the ball away a lot (Barca '09), miss key chances and generally look frustrated and unhappy in that role (Barca '08).
 
Is there a possibility IF Falcao comes here and we do end up selling Rooney, then RVP might return to playing attacking mid? If I am not mistaken, didnt he play there when he first arrived for Arsenal. Honestly I want us to sign Falcao and strengthen but I dont want Rooney to go. He is one of those versatile players that can improve ANY team in the world. There aint a lot of players in the world like Rooney.
 
Of course Falcao isn't going to solve all our problems. He isn't going to solve any of them - we lack the ability to control games in midfield and quality out wide, not a finisher. We have van Persie who is among world's best strikers and a class finisher, we have Rooney who's also a very good finisher and Hernandez who is as good as it gets for a back-up role.

Replacing Rooney with Falcao would be poor too because Rooney brings much more than finishing to the table. Falcao wouldn't support the midfield in the same way and neither would van Persie, in fact I don't think they'd work very well together as in modern football I only see space for one such player in the side.

Hopefully this is just paper talk. It'd only make sense to replace van Persie with Falcao and play him alongside Rooney, and by make sense I mean it could actually not make us much worse. Still, van Persie is a better forward so it'd actually make not sense.
 
If this is indeed just paper talk, what would the motivation be in linking him to Manchester United? I could understand if his agent wanted to improve his negotiating position or his club wanted to start an auction, but surely a manufactured link to City, Chelsea or PSG would have been more believable seeing as they have all the money and arguably the greater need.

I just can't get my head around this rumour unless there actually is some truth to it and Fergie wants to drastically change our playing style. Rooney and RVP are both very good crossers of the ball after all and might work as Pedro style wide forwards. But then Fergie wasn't exactly so cavalier when we had Rooney, Tevez and Ronaldo in the same side, was he? There's not enough defensive work rate in a Rooney/RVP/Falcao trio, I don't think.

The rumour makes no sense from any angle, not even from Ballague's since he's only ever going to get proven wrong if he's made it up.

At least it fills the time between matches...
 
Perhaps the best striker in the world.

Half the caf don't want him.

:rolleyes: you lot really are a bunch of Ihni binni dimi diniwiny anitaime.
 
ciderman9000000 said:
Perhaps the best striker in the world.

Half the caf don't want him.

:rolleyes: you lot really are a bunch of Ihni binni dimi diniwiny anitaime.
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Buying Falcao now would be like buying Nesta in 2008. Yeah, alright, he's possibly better than the two we already have but there's no room for all three of them and that partnership is already good enough to win a Champions League. It's just not needed.
 
If we'd bought Ronaldinho in the summer of 2006 instead of buying Carrick do you think we'd have won the league?
 
Obviously we're not allowed one player per transfer window but buying Falcao would exhaust a large part of our budget, don't you think?
 
Maajid said:
Obviously we're not allowed one player per transfer window but buying Falcao would exhaust a large part of our budget, don't you think?
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But how do you know how much we have exactly? I mean we spent more than £50m two years ago. Did you think we were going to spend that much on 3 players, albeit two of them will pay off? Maybe we will sell Nani and Anderson and make up half of Falcao's price. If we do sell both of them, then we are definitely going to bring in around £25m. Fergie always go for his man if he sees fit and if he thinks a player could improve us.
 
Maajid said:
Obviously we're not allowed one player per transfer window but buying Falcao would exhaust a large part of our budget, don't you think?
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Neither of us know what the budget is, but United are an extremely wealthy football club; I wouldn't be at all surprised to see us spend anything up to £100m in the summer.
 
i dont understand why some people dont want possibly the best striker in the world?

Personally the thought of seeing Van Persie, Falcao, and Rooney in the same team is wank-worthy, and will scare the shit out of the rest of the league.

This thread smacks of the Van Persie thread from the same time last year...do not need, do not want etc....
 
Brwned said:
Is there a reason you've slipped back into mocking anyone and everyone that happens to disagree with you?
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I'm not mocking you personally, I'm mocking the notion that United can only sign one player this summer. Your 'If we'd signed Ronaldinho instead of Carrick' bollocks was ridiculous; that's what I'm mocking.
 
If we kept him and sold Rooney I don't think it would make much sense. Whilst its arguable that Rooneys best position is behind the striker it still can't be argued that he's more comfortable there then RVP is. That means you'd essientially have Welbeck as the only natural withdrawn striker and 3 strikers who all need to play right up top to get the best out of them. Balance wise it just doesn't add up.

If we did get him it would have to be Hernandez making way which is not something I want to happen. He's one of the best impact players in the world.
 
ciderman9000000 said:
I'm not mocking you personally, I'm mocking the notion that United can only sign one player this summer. Your 'If we'd signed Ronaldinho instead of Carrick' bollocks was ridiculous; that's what I'm mocking.
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Ok. If we'd have signed Nesta in 2008 do you think that would have been a good long-term investment?
 
Aint gota Kalou said:
If we kept him and sold Rooney I don't think it would make much sense. Whilst its arguable that Rooneys best position is behind the striker it still can't be argued that he's more comfortable there then RVP is. That means you'd essientially have Welbeck as the only natural withdrawn striker and 3 strikers who all need to play right up top to get the best out of them. Balance wise it just doesn't add up.

If we did get him it would have to be Hernandez making way which is not something I want to happen. He's one of the best impact players in the world.
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Kagawa moved centrally would be an option.

That would leave RVP and Falcao as the out and out strikers, with Welbeck and Kagawa that can play in behind.
 
Roon101 said:
i dont understand why some people dont want possibly the best striker in the world?

Personally the thought of seeing Van Persie, Falcao, and Rooney in the same team is wank-worthy, and will scare the shit out of the rest of the league.

This thread smacks of the Van Persie thread from the same time last year...do not need, do not want etc....
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But with van Persie you could see how we could play both him and Rooney together, the only issue was lack of games for Hernandez, Welbeck and Kagawa. We won't be able to play van Persie, Falcao, Rooney and wingers in the same team and expect it to work.
 
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