Maybe we should just play all strikers and defenders.
Falcao
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Lentini was not shit, not at all. Problem with him was that he crashed his car and was even in a coma for a couple of days. He had some damage to one of his eyes and other serious injuries and never came back to his best.
If Rooney went for silly money, the only way I'd personally be happy with Falcao is if we sign a proper CM who can make up for the extras Rooney offers when he's on top form.
Obviously it's all speculation now, but for me that would be the only possible circumstance with Rooney gone that I would be for a deal for Falcao.
Don't want him and definitely won't want him if him signing means Rooney were to leave. Anyway not at all worried about this rumor as the Ballague confirmation just makes it sure we're not signing him.
Rooney's not going anywhere.
Hasn't this chap got a very high stat for losing the ball due to a poor first touch? What kind of season is he having?
Hasn't this chap got a very high stat for losing the ball due to a poor first touch? What kind of season is he having?
In terms of what kind of season he is having; 28 goals in 33 games.
If we offload a striker to make room, it has to be Rooney for big money to PSG. He takes two months a season to get fit after getting fat in the summer and is inconsistent. One day he's the dog's bollocks the next he's dog shit. Maybe I've just never respected him after 2010.
Rooney is a very talented player, yet somehow, he is also overrated. Having said that, I wouldn't want to sell him.
He's going to be in for some serious abuse then if he replaces Rooney
that abuse is reserved for Rooney. The Caf would blame the wingers for playing him poor balls.Not that I think this is realistic at all but you would have to imagine it would mean Rooney leaving, if that were the case we'd absolutely need to buy another midfielder. One of the reasons Rooney is so important to us currently is because he lessens the burden on our midfield, something RvP and Falcao won't do.
I guess I've missed this part of this discussion, so I'll ask the obvious question:
Is the idea to have RvP and Falcao play together on the front line? If so, aren't they nearly identical strikers in the nature of their game?
Apologies if this has already been discussed ad neauseum, but I looked (probably not hard enough) and didn't see it anywhere.
Is the idea to have RvP and Falcao play together on the front line? If so, aren't they nearly identical strikers in the nature of their game?
Apologies if this has already been discussed ad neauseum, but I looked (probably not hard enough) and didn't see it anywhere.
Think generally most people think that Falcao would be the leading striker and Van Persie will play behind him a bit more.
Something like this would be brilliant I think, although it might lack a bit of width.
Falcao
Kagawa Van Persie Rooney
Kagawa Van Persie Rooney
Agreed.
Yeah, just a tad.
Massive waste of two exceptional players as well in Kagawa and Rooney. You are never going to get the best out of either of them on the wing.
If Falcao, he wont, comes we will not be keeping Rooney. Im confident we can't afford the wages of those two plus RVP
Right, but the "deal" would include Rooney leaving to make room for Falcao. Now, if we're just adding Falcao for striker depth that's another matter, but still leaves the question of whether RvP and Falcao are too similar in their game. Maybe not.
But if we sell Rooney, which I would advise against despite how frustrating he is to watch when he goes on his cold spells, we're losing a massive presence on the front line. He's given much too little credit as a creative force. But he does carry a huge wage bill, he does cold and he could bring in a sweet $40m+ from another suitor such as PSG. And maybe he does need a new venue, a breath of fresh air. I don't know.
If I'm looking for one player to add to the squad, it wouldn't be "another RvP", so to speak. It would be a central midfielder who can create and score, essentially someone who can take some of the load off Roo's shoulders. Sadly, I don't have names for you, but someone in the mold of Hazard or a young Sneijder. Lucas Moura would have been a nice add. I'd even have taken Javi Martinez -- who was my wank pick last summer, but it was never meant to be -- who's a beast everywhere on the pitch and a dude you wouldn't want to fukk with if you found yourself alone with him in a dark alley in Newark, New Jersey. We need someone with a bigger ego to impose himself on the game. Maybe that's Falcao. Or maybe it's a midfielder. We should start a thread on that very question.
Agreed, but I don't think we'll get the best out of Rooney or kagawa anyways regardless of falcao. Rooneys best position for me has always been as a main striker for me, as his touch is too inconsistent and just not good enough on the ball I think. He's a great player there but like we saw in 2009/10, I think he has it in him to be as good as falcao or van Persie.
Forwards being interchangeable. Gets the best out of Kagawa too. Rooney could play any of the front four positions. Young and Zaha could play either of the wide ones. Chicharito can play up top. Nani probably sold. Valencia a utility player. Just add one more CM for some depth. feck it...I'm going to use the FM editor to create this exact team. I'll let you know how it goes; and then I'll get on the blower to Mike Phelan.
I respectfully disagree about whether we can afford them all.
http://www.4-traders.com/MANCHESTER-UNITED-PLC-11217013/financials/
The question is not one of finance but rather one of how to keep everyone happy/how to fit them all in effectively. On that point I agree that Rooney may be sold, but certainly nothing to do with whether we can afford them.
Agreed. Another way to look at "whether we can afford" whoever, is whether that player brings us closer to a CL final appearance.
The squad we currently have just isn't good enough to get us to a CL final next season. There is a very small group of footballers out there who are good enough to get us over the hump and at least get us to the final game: Messi is one, but that's not an option. Ronaldo is another, and I believe he is an option. Bale, of coiurse, and Levy always has his price. Is Falcao in that class? Honestly, I'm not sure.
My problem is that goals Falcao scores are goals RvP would ordinarily score, unless we're now all in agreement that Falcao is a substantially better footballer than RvP. But then again, we've been treated to unfortunate cold streak by RvP right at the time we needed him most -- against Real Madrid, against Chelsea in the FA Cup and against City late in the season. That's not a good thing.
So how likely do we reckon this is? To be completely honest, I do not want. I know he's an amazing player, but I assume it'll mean Rooney leaving, which I don't really want and even still, that's not like for like. Falcao-RVP wouldn't work as well as Rooney-RVP I dont think, considering Rooney>RVP>Falcao at '10'. Obviously if we were to get him, I wouldn't complain, but I'm not too excited about this. I'd be well more exciteed about Gundogan or someone like that.
Actually, I really doubt we'd sell Rooney & not replace him with an English/British player of similar quality/reputation.
Ridiculous comment.
Had we beat Madrid, which would have been likely had Nani not got a ridiculous red card, and then got Galatasary we would most likely have got through that too. Bayern and Dortmund are good sides but definitely beatable with the players we have, Barca would have been the hardest mainly due to our style of play suiting them to a tee but an injury to Messi and who knows.
It's all 'ifs' and 'buts'. With enough luck and favourable draws anyone can get to the final. The CL is always a bit hit/miss with so many good sides, so you can't expect to win it but having some decent, in-form midfielders is a necessity if we're going to have a chance.
There is only one player who is almost/on par with Rooney and is British and that is Wilshere and there is no way we are signing him anytime soon.
Bale ?
Definitely Bale.
We'll have a better chance with that. But even as it is "we have no chance" is a ridiculous comment.
I think you're really underrating Falcao. He would improve any team in the world, and he would walk into any starting line up in the world as well. He's probably the most complete striker, in that the variety of ways he can score. He is great with both feet, and is one of the best headers of the ball in the game, in addition to him being very strong and quick, and having a great leap on him. He's also probably the most lethal player in world football. Last season, RVP, Falcao and Ibrahimovic were probably the 3 best strikers in the world, and it would be hard to argue one being better then the other.
Also I think it's a bit funny how you think Bale would take us to a champions league final and Falcao wouldn't. Did Bale being in good form for a few months playing as a second striker really make people think he's up there amongst the best players in the world? Ridiculous. He's a great player with a great shot, but if he came here he would play on the wing for sure, and he wouldn't get anywhere near the amount of goals he's been getting, because we have better options then him at the club for that job. If there is one position that we absolutely need more then anything, it is in centre mid. If we do strengthen in that position in the summer, then getting Falcao as well would probably make a perfect summer, because going by individual ability, he is probably the best player in the world when it comes to players who are available and will probably be on the move.
Can we really afford to pay someone 250k to warm the bench? We can pay starters that but I'm not sure its ever justified for a bench player. Our problem at the moment is that we over rotate so players never find form.
Torres, Shevchenko, Crespo, Kezman, Pizarro, Mutu and most probably Lukaku all say hi back
Well the fact is - Falcao could easily be a top 3 striker in the world. Rooney is probably a better all-round footballer, but as a striker, Falcao is better.
If we can afford Falcao and still buy a good midfielder - we should buy him. Or he will be hammering in goals for Chelsea instead
If we can afford Falcao and still buy a good midfielder - we should buy him. Or he will be hammering in goals for Chelsea instead
Might as well keep and play Hernandez then.
According to the Mirror's article his wage demands are pretty reasonable, close to half what we pay Rooney.
I reckon it's more of Nani leaving rather than Rooney if we sign this Falcao and we are going to play narrower especially in Europe, not that i think we would sign him anyway
Falcao is quality but at the moment I can't say I'd give up Rooney/Hernandez for him. If one of them really wants to leave, though, then for the most-part there's nothing we can do (except sign a quality replacement).
I always felt that Falcao was more likely to go to Barca, Madrid, PSG, City, or Chelsea, though, so these rumours are really surprising. More-so because it seemed as if Lewandowski was the one we'd be after.
Falcao won't make a big move like this to sit on the bench a lot, but I get the feeling that unless Fergie is going to stop using wingers most of the time, it'd be hard to fit everyone in (especially if we sign the new central midfield player we've been begging for for years).
If we're signing Falco then it's Rooney who's leaving IMO. But our first 11 would most likely have to involve RvP, Falcao, Kagawa, Cleverley, Carrick, and Jones/New CM. If we played with wingers I think it'd be hard to leave one of Falcao/RvP out very often, so we'd be playing the same game we do now with Carrick & Cleverley in midfield, except we'd have less defensive cover than ever with Rooney gone
At the moment, I'm sceptical to say the least but I can't say I believe the rumours yet.
I always felt that Falcao was more likely to go to Barca, Madrid, PSG, City, or Chelsea, though, so these rumours are really surprising. More-so because it seemed as if Lewandowski was the one we'd be after.
Falcao won't make a big move like this to sit on the bench a lot, but I get the feeling that unless Fergie is going to stop using wingers most of the time, it'd be hard to fit everyone in (especially if we sign the new central midfield player we've been begging for for years).
If we're signing Falco then it's Rooney who's leaving IMO. But our first 11 would most likely have to involve RvP, Falcao, Kagawa, Cleverley, Carrick, and Jones/New CM. If we played with wingers I think it'd be hard to leave one of Falcao/RvP out very often, so we'd be playing the same game we do now with Carrick & Cleverley in midfield, except we'd have less defensive cover than ever with Rooney gone
At the moment, I'm sceptical to say the least but I can't say I believe the rumours yet.
Do not want as good as he is tbh
Never happening, we have RVP who plays in his position & well, he's fecking dynamite. We won't be moving RVP to accomodate anyone.
Exactly. Said this earlier. No fecking way do I want Falcao up top with RVP behind him. Much rather have RVP up top with Rooney/Kagawa behind him.
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