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Off topic but, Matic could have been a DLP, he has the technical abilities for the role but at some point between Benfica and Chelsea he lost the aggressive passing style that is required.

Edit: Ideally, I think that Matic is a defensive box to box more than a destroyer or DLP, he has the qualities of both roles but the mentality of none.

That's pretty much a destroyer. Someone who roam and breaking up play.

Although I need to add something that he's not suitable as a no 6 who likes to stay at the back or sits deep even though he's been playing as a no 6. And I agree he's more suitable to be box to box in defensive type.
 
That's pretty much a destroyer. Someone who roam and breaking up play.

Although I need to add something that he's not suitable as a no 6 who likes to stay at the back or sits deep even though he's been playing as a no 6. And I agree he's more suitable to be box to box in defensive type.

No, that's not a destroyer, that's a box to box who puts an emphasis on the defensive side of things, like Keane or Vieira. Destroyers are the likes of Makélélé, Mascherano or Van Bommel, they play to destroy the opposition attacks, that's the beginning and the end of their game, they are specialists.
 
No, that's not a destroyer, that's a box to box who puts an emphasis on the defensive side of things, like Keane or Vieira. Destroyers are the likes of Makélélé, Mascherano or Van Bommel, they play to destroy the opposition attacks, that's the beginning and the end of their game, they are specialists.

To me if a player is destroyer means their main asset is to destroy the opposition attack basically breaking up play. Obviously Matic isn't as pure destroyer as Makelele but he is closer to be called as destroyer more than a playmaker.
 
A very strong player all round. Tackling, Heading, Passing. Could be the new Carrick only better at aerial duels.
 
To me if a player is destroyer means their main asset is to destroy the opposition attack basically breaking up play. Obviously Matic isn't as pure destroyer as Makelele but he is closer to be called as destroyer more than a playmaker.
You do realise there are more than two roles in centre and defensive midfield?
 
Well, Bakayoko was on the last year of his contract and had 6 good months in three years, so Monaco were glad to ship him off for more than they could have dreamed. Fabinho on the other hand has a contract until 2020, if I'm not mistaken, and he is better and more valuable for Monaco.

I was talking about it from Fabinho's perspective. The type of clubs he'd attract and the financial package he could secure.
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% rate of passing means nothing if you play safe & simple passes. Cleverley also has % rate in the high 80s with us. People know Smalling isn't good with his passing and not ball playing centre back but he also has high 80s % with us. Let's think, why did we struggle to control the tempo of our midfield with Matic & Herrera partnership?

How is Matic has zero in common with a destroyer? His biggest asset is his defending and breaking up play. He is clarified as a defensive midfielder for a reason. You want to see example of true DLP? Have a look Busquest, Carrick and Alonso.
First. Matic produces more key passes a game than any destroyer would. So equating his passing to that of Smalling is simply not gping to fly.

Second,
He is classified as a defensive midfielder BECAUSE he is an actual passing midfielder who is excellent at defending. Its one of the reasons his partnership with Fabregas in their title winning season was so darn good. Both midfielders were contributing to attacking.

Destroyers in comparison are players who do nothing but break up play and NEVER depart from the area just in front or in between their center halves. Plus almost all of them cant pass a ball beyond 7 yards and specialise in safe passes to the more talented players in their side. They never switch play, never play a long ball and are always available for a one-two pass to relieve pressure on their attacking midfielders. (i.e Makelele) Matic is nothing like Makelele. He regularly attempts long balls and even constantly dribbles opponents in an attempt to progress upfield.

Third, the reason the Hererra - Matic axis was so dire was the utterly awful form of Herrera. Matic was never going to control a midfield alone, whilst outnumbered in midfield constantly due to his partner's bad form. Which was further compounded by the even worse form of Mhikitaryan ahead of them
 
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First. Matic produces more key passes a game than any destroyer would. So equating his passing to that of Smalling is simply not gping to fly.

Second,
He is classified as a defensive midfielder BECAUSE he is an actual passing midfielder who is excellent at defending. Its one of the reasons his partnership with Fabregas in their title winning season was so darn good. Both midfielders were contributing to attacking.

Destroyers in comparison are players who do nothing but break up play and NEVER depart from the area just in front or in between their center halves. Plus almost all of them cant pass a ball beyond 7 yards and specialise in safe passes to the more talented players in their side. They never switch play, never play a long ball and are always available for a one-two pass to relieve pressure on their attacking midfielders. (i.e Makelele) Matic is nothing like Makelele. He regularly attempts long balls and even constantly dribbles opponents in an attempt to progress upfield.

Third, the reason the Hererra - Matic axis was so dire was the utterly awful form of Herrera. Matic was never going to control a midfield alone, whilst outnumbered in midfield constantly due to his partner's bad form. Which was further compounded by the even worse form of Mhikitaryan ahead of them

First. Produce more key passes doesn't make him a DLP since box to box also make more key passes. DLP role is starting attack from defense by spraying passes in all direction, they dictate the play. They can't lose possession too often which he has been losing it in important occasion when he was just making simple passes. Matic is more of an anchor when he played as a no 6, more defensive type, more of destroyer who likes to breaking up play. DLP is an important that manager can build a team around the player, while Matic is more of a support role.

Second,
What you said doesn't make any sense here. The main reason he is classified as a defensive midfielder because his biggest asset is in his defense, his job at Jose's Chelsea was to support Fabregas who was the playmaker. My destroyer term is different, I was referring to defensive midfielder. A defensive midfielder & playmaker are completly different. Just because he has better passing skills than Makelele doesn't make him a DLP. Everyone in here already said he's not DLP.

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Matic was never going to control a midfield with Herrera against the likes of Southampton but Carrick a true standard DLP is fine when he played with Cleverley, Anderson & Jones. Matic might be good enough DLP for a mid table but for a top club his passing ability is nowhere near the standard of top club DLP. His main asset for a top club is defending not passing. He's more of a support role rather than someone that we can use to build our midfield around like Carrick, Scholes & etc.
 
We need a 6 and an 8. Fabinho could be perfect as he can play as a 6, a right-back and as an 8 in big games where we need to sit back more.

Add SMS, Thiago or another world-class 8 and have a perfect balance to give freedom to Pogba. That way the need for a RW would not be as great having MLS up front. Still think we should go for someone like Bailey too.

Fabinho(£40m), SMS(£60m), Bailey(£40m) and Sessegnon(£40m) would constitute a perfect Summer for me. We could probably get £65m from Blind, Darmian, Herrera and Mata, which brings us to a net spend of £115m.

IN/OUT
Fabinho (Herrera)
SMS (Carrick)
Sessegnon (Blind)
Bailey (Mata)
TFM (Darmian)
Pereira (Fellaini)
Gomes (Ibrahimovic)
Dream team.
 
First. Produce more key passes doesn't make him a DLP since box to box also make more key passes.
Well that is not what that was addessing is it ? That point was adressing the fact you mis- categorized Matic as a destroyer.


DLP role is starting attack from defense by spraying passes in all direction, they dictate the play. They can't lose possession too often which he has been losing it in important occasion when he was just making simple passes.
I repeat. You need to drop this myth that Matic constantly makes easy turnovers of possession. Its is not supported by anything. Not even statistics. I'll also again refer you to Chelsea's last title win under Jose. One of the reasons chelsea were so good that season was the double playmaking pivot Matic and Fabregas gave them. In addition it is fairly obvious every game that Matic is always starting attacks from deep. You are also conflating Matic playing a support role to Pogba's superior play making, like what Carrick regularly did for Scholes back in 2007, with being unable to run a game himself.

Second,
What you said doesn't make any sense here. The main reason he is classified as a defensive midfielder because his biggest asset is in his defense...
Wrong. If it was just about being good in defence even ball playing center halves would always be used in that position. The role is much more sophisticated than that.

My destroyer term is different, I was referring to defensive midfielder.
You can't re invent the meaning of the term. A destroyer is the type of defensive midfielder who is wholly negative in their play
Either dedicated to simple ball winning or acting as a Catenaccio type sweeper a.ka Third center half operating infront of the teo center backs.

. Just he has better passing skills than Makelele doesn't make him a DLP.
Which isn't my line of argument at all. My line of argument when I posted that statement was his superior attacking and passing skills do not make him a destroyer LIKE Makelele.

Why I class him as a player capable of operating as DLP has nothing to do just mere passing skill. The reasons are class him as DLP are also the reasons I was certain he'd replace Carrick in our XI very well before we even brought him to OT.


Everyone in here already said he's not DLP.
Good for them. Respectfully, I prefer my own opinion.

Third,
Matic was never going to control a midfield with Herrera against the likes of Southampton but Carrick a true standard DLP is fine when he played with Cleverley, Anderson & Jones.
Seriously? You want to deny that Carrick was NEVER over run and over whelmed in midfield alongside a midfield partner in poor form? Really? Because that is EXACTLY what happened with Herrara alongside Matic. Whenever he played alongside Fellaini he didn't have such a problem. Listing for me Anderson, Cleverly or Jones is utterly irrelevant to that fact.


His main asset for a top club is defending not passing. He's more of a support role rather than someone that we can use to build our midfield around like Carrick, Scholes & etc.
It is not a must in any shape or form that a team must build its game around a playmaker. Many times that player plays secondary support role to a superior playmaker further upfield. Best example of this was the role Xavi Alonso played for Spain with Xavi also in the team. Or even Busquets at Barcelona
 
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Well that is not what that was addessing is it ? That point was adressing the fact you mis- categorized Matic as a destroyer.

This is what you said:

Matic can comfortably operate as a DLP. He used to occupy that role before Mourinho signed him to cover Fabregas and now Pogba. Having a Fabinho signed could free him up to be more creative and attack oriented

Matic has zero in common with a destroyer. Zero. He also doesn't struggle to pass the ball in any shape or for.
You dont have a pass success % rate in the high 80s and be classed as struggling to pass the ball.

I called him destroyer due to his defending & breaking up play are his main asset. But you think he can comfortably operate as a DLP because you think his passing is good enough to be called as a DLP.
 
Apparently he's played in midfield all season so if we are signing him is it likely he'll go back to being a right back or will he stay in midfield?

Of course there's the strong possibility we are not signing him. I have a feeling he's off to Atletico Madrid. He was linked there last summer and will definitely fit in nicely in midfield.
 
Would be surprised if it is United. We had a lot of opportunities to buy him, so i dont think we would buy him now all of a sudden. Jose knows him well too.
 
More than winning the ball back or running around like a hare, we need someone who can keep possession and recycle it effectively. In far too many games we loose control and end up just hoofing, so I now if we go for fabinho that he is that sort a player
 

As announced by Paris United yesterday, Fabinho will not join PSG this summer. According to our information, Monaco has found an agreement with Atletico Madrid!

The agreement between the two parties concluded this week following a telephone interview between the agent of the player and the sporting director of the AS Monaco.
 

As announced by Paris United yesterday, Fabinho will not join PSG this summer. According to our information, Monaco has found an agreement with Atletico Madrid!

The agreement between the two parties concluded this week following a telephone interview between the agent of the player and the sporting director of the AS Monaco.


Interesting. I guess he could replace the aging Gabi at DM or Juanfran at RB depending on which of Vrsaljko or Partey they like better (Partey can play both).
 

As announced by Paris United yesterday, Fabinho will not join PSG this summer. According to our information, Monaco has found an agreement with Atletico Madrid!

The agreement between the two parties concluded this week following a telephone interview between the agent of the player and the sporting director of the AS Monaco.


Ahh boo lock the thread.

*goes off to grumble that everyone else has a head start on us*etc. etc. etc. **

That being said very good move for Atletico he will fit in nicely there.
 
Good player. Mad that Chelsea signed Bakayoko instead of him.
 
Give it 2 years or so and we’ll see clubs making a 60 million bid for him
 
Man Utd interested too according to Boufasi.

Title needs updating.

How's he been this season?
 
Man Utd interested too according to Boufasi.

Title needs updating.

How's he been this season?

I'd say Monaco's best player. Hasn't played as RB though, which is where I'd hope he would play for us.
 
Bit of a sideways move. Atletico's chances of winning La Liga and domestic cups are about as much as that of Monaco winning Ligue 1 and domestic cups. Maybe slightly higher in the case of CL, but not too much.

Simeone is a brilliant coach and Atletico as a team are probably better than Monaco, but there isn't a higher trophy win rate unless they drop into the Europa like they did this season.

As for location, I think personally I'd prefer tax free Monaco over Spain.
 
Man Utd interested too according to Boufasi.

Title needs updating.

How's he been this season?
I think he's in the WhoScored team if the season ( but so is Valencia)
Other than that, no idea
 
Sounds like Monaco trying to jack up his price by linking him to us.
Can't see this happening.
 
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