I have to say that it seems fair, probably too fair. Though it made me realize that Monaco will struggle to replace Sidibé and Fabinho because Touré has been bad this season which is very disappointing and replacing Fabinho with the same quality is probably out of Monaco's reach.
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I have to say that it seems fair, probably too fair. Though it made me realize that Monaco will struggle to replace Sidibé and Fabinho because Touré has been bad this season which is very disappointing and replacing Fabinho with the same quality is probably out of Monaco's reach.
I didn’t mean he is the best player at Monaco in general, the context of the post was that @VP89 asked how Fabinho has been this season and @bucky said that he was Monaco’s best player. So I meant that Rony was Monaco’s best player this past season performance wise, not in terms of overall general quality.
Yeah and I don't think he was, Glik would be the player because unlike Lopes he has been consistent all season long.
Woody wants to tap into the Brazilian market
Only two of those made the cut for the World Cup!
Is he better than Sidibe at RB? If the difference between them isn't too significant, maybe we're interested in him as a Matic successor, with him slotting in at RB until the aforementioned declines.
How are we not signing him? Can cover both RB and put in a shift in midfield
Add willian as well. Our team is lacking flair and excitement so I'm not surprised one bit that we're going in that direction.
Doesn't really work like that if we're talking about starter RB for us.
What I meant we don't have wide attacker on the right wing. Our RB is supposed to own the whole flank himself. Fabinho is good with his delivery and all but he's not the physical beast to continuously running the length of the pitch all game. He is more about combining with other players and work his way up the pitch. Make him our starter RB then we're facing a different problem by not having a right side attacker to combine with him
Agreed. Fred, Fabinho, Sandro, Douglas Costa and Aldeweirinho would be a solid window.
He actually is, that's the last thing you should worry about.
IMO he is not by the standard of PL physicality, to be left all alone on the flank by himself.
Edit: Last summer I preferred him to Matic and think his ability to play as RB is bonus. hpwver, now we're not looking as Matic position as primary signing but RB; we have to be more critical on what we want from the RB position. Until we sign a right wing attacker (not necessarily winger), I want different RB than Fabinho
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Love that we are being linked with all these brazilians 
Fabinho would be a clever investment imo. Can cover both DM and RB position.
Fabinho would be a clever investment imo. Can cover both DM and RB position.
Exactly. There aren't many great, available RBs around right now, so by doing this, when we next enter the market for one (once Fabinho moves into DM), there'll hopefully have been an increase in quality. Either that, or perhaps TFM will have developed into a good option by then. Depends on if he's actually good enough at RB, though.
Would be a strange buy at this point after we just bought Matic and are probably buying Fred. The bit about him being a dual roll player at CM and RB is also a bit excessive since Valencia doesn't look like he's going anywhere anytime soon.
He doesn't have to go anywhere. He needs competition in that role.
Also with Carrick and Fellaini out we really need two in. I'd be damned if we rely on McTominay for a stretch of games next season and there's inevitably going to be a midfielder out for a month or two during the season (heck, Pogba Herrera Carrick Fellaini all had their fair share of long term injuries this campaign).
Competition would be a younger, cheaper player not a 50m type like Fabinho to sit on the bench.
Valencia doesn’t need competition, he simply needs replacing.
But you realize that Fabinho has a fullback was as attacking as Sidibé, if you base your opinion on Monaco than I don't see your point. Personally the problem with Fabinho as a fullback is that he has barely played there in the past two seasons, maybe 5 times.
If Fred signing is as certain as Di Marzio stated, then Herrera who played Matic role for a season, and Fred can combine in different way to cover for Matic when he's rested. McTominay as you said can chip in here and there without being too burdened for a long period. Fabinho coming here for anywhere close to here nmarket price is overkilled
I doubt Fabinho would sit much on the bench. Hed be a better RB and can even rotate with Matic to keep him fresh.
And he's only 24.
And yet there are no signs of Valencia going anywhere, so buying an expensive RB wouldn't really make much sense, especially when we are looking at an expensive LB.
It's not just attacking ability. I rate Fabinho flair as highly as any other RBs linked with us. I am talking about pure physicality where he has to run the whole flank himself. It's not about just about endurance here, but the constant intensity. Valencia lost some of his intensity at the second half of this season compare to last season while not much change in his game elsewhere, and it can be seen with a drastic drop in performance.
Valencia shouldn't be starter now. He clearly declined. Even his best the last season, he's upgradable since he can't help with attack with his shin killing technique
Assuming Pogba doesn't have his mid season lazy period and we have no injuries, sure. But we will have injuries. Herrera was out for 2 months this season, Pogba similar. I think at the same time too? Can't remember.
I just think we are so far off a competitive midfield that one signing in that area won't bring us back. I also don't think Herrera is all that, either. Matic joining highlighted how bad our midfield really is. Fabinho and Fred would probably do the same. If they joined I reckon they'd comfortably look better than Herrera.
He doesn't have to go anywhere. He just needs to be reduced to a squad player.
Unless you think we are fine selling Darmien and walking into next season with one right back who is 33 years old?
Fabinho's main position is at DM so I doubt he would walk into the squad an immediately displace Valencia at RB. Tony will need replacing over time since he's nearing his mid 30s, but Fabinho wouldn't be the best choice since he 's better suited for midfield.
I think this is where my credibility ends because I don't know for sure how many seasons he's played at RB and DM. I think the last two seasons have been in midfield and prior to that he was a full back, but given his competency and age he's worth the money.
Even if he wasn't a right back and only a midfielder I'd take him. My personal opinion is that we won't challenge for the title without 2 central midfield signings. We've lost players and the ones we have lack real quality (bar Pogba + Matic).
I would definitely take him as a midfielder, but then we would have to sell one of our existing ones (Herrera maybe), as we would otherwise have too many players.
But you're assuming we would have the same issues of this past season, instead of Mourinho's first season. There is no absolute right or wrong in this matter as we can't predict injuries, issue like Pogba's form drop... but on paper Fred signing would leave very little need for an established midfielder with 40-50mil price tag. Carrick Fellaini, McTominay didn't exactly play that much this season. Replacing Carrick & Fellaini should be the job of one established midfielder. While we're open to get a cheaper option as that second midfielder signings, while keeping high standard for our RB signing
Or perhaps keep Herrera and loan McTominay?
I'm unsure. I don't think wel end up signing a 2nd midfielder anyway. Our approach looks a bit scatter gun, negotiating Alderwierald with Fred with Sidibe/Sandro and a sub striker. God knows where this Fabinho interest ranks in our priority.
Yep we may well do. But this season is very much do or die for Mourinho. I wonder if he can afford to risk one signing in the middle of the park and hope for the best fitness wise.
He was initially a right back, he joined Monaco at 19 years old and took the RB position immediately, in 2015/2016 Monaco had numerous midfielders out and Fabinho was used in midfield and played really well, not as well as he did at RB but very well, the following summer most midfielders left and Monaco brought Sidibé who was probably cheaper than a good CM.
Well you have to start somewhere. That’s like not getting a RB but getting a RWer...ends up being the same thing since the RWer won’t have a RB to combine with him. If you get the gist of what I mean.
And I’m hopeful the club gets a RWer this summer anyways.
Spot on.
Relying on him for another year is just asking for troubles. I mean he can play the spot but that’s about it. Doesn’t really do a whole lot else.
How would you rank him and Sidibe for the RB position?
For me Fabinho was better then Sidibé is now but it has little relevance because I don't know how Fabinho is now.
Thanks - I couldn't believe he was still only 24 when I googled his age just now. I've only properly watched him when Monaco won the league and I thought he must have been 26 or so then. He'd be a very good signing wherever he goes.
Odd that this would pop up now from a reliable source with the links to Fred, unless he’s willing to play RB.
Or the links aren’t as strong as we think.
Or the links aren’t as strong as we think.
Probably still better than any RB we can sign and Valencia or Young.
Having just extra player who end up with limited game time can do damage to squad morale especially for us where media love a story would turn player X vs player Y.
It's still different. Let's make an example: Someone like Kyle Walker played for Tottenham and they don't need a right winger, letting Eriksen to roam centrally most of the time. He moved to City, they have Sterling combining with him more on the wing, it's bonus. Sterling out, and City has players who played more narrow, fine with Walker as best asset is his physicality which enables him to own whole flank. Walker cost 50mil. Now if we sign Fabinho 40-50mil. As I said, he would need more help to secure the right wing. So we need to buy that players which mean it would cost us more as it's a must. With RB with Walker's profile if it doesn't work out for the right wing attacker transfer, we can still revise a different plan such as diamond midfield. Also it would let the right side attacker more freedom
If we signed Fabinho and Fred, I really don't think we will have either having limited game time. I cannot say the same for Herrera and McTominay, but I don't care as much on their side. Herrera is only useful in specific games anyway.
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