Token fine for Merc because they made a mistake under 'unprecedented circumstances'
Will probably see the same line trotted out soon for Lando and co.
Will probably see the same line trotted out soon for Lando and co.
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No doubt, might have been different if he won. They were probably relieved when he didn't win tbf.
Norris gets away with a reprimand and a 5k fine.
Predictable. Herbert did all he could this weekend for his boys.
The stewards dont even offer any mitigation for Russell and Norris, so the precedent they've just set is that it's fine to risk the safety of the marshals recovering a car if you have a genuine brain whoopsie (and are English). Seems legit.
The stewards dont even offer any mitigation for Russell and Norris, so the precedent they've just set is that it's fine to risk the safety of the marshals recovering a car if you have a genuine brain whoopsie (and are English). Seems legit.
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Crazy. Safety infringements are usually slam dunk no matter the context. There is definitely an element of at minimum a lack of consistency if not just outright bias at times
Max got a harsher penalty for swearing 
Max got a harsher penalty for swearing
They really do make it hard to believe the stewards aren't atleast somewhat bias.
Who knew being Max Verstappen and cursing is worse than a safety infringement.....
Also no community service for Charles when he cursed. And Norris cursed today as well on the live broadcast during the drivers parade. I doubt he will be penalised and that's actually a more public setting than cursing in a press conference as their is more viewers for that.
Special champions drive from Max showing he's the best. You can tell Max really enjoyed the race that tested his skills and unshakeable driving with his celebrations.
Russell did well keeping Norris behind and staying on track as well as Ocon and Gasly.
Russell did well keeping Norris behind and staying on track as well as Ocon and Gasly.
That is absolutely ridiculous. Sets a dangerous precedent.
No penalties for the start alone is crazy time. What they did was worse than Checo being ahead of the line imho and that got 5 sec last weekend. And yes, even swearing gets a more severe penalty apparently. Let's have orofessional stewards making half a million a year or something to minimize the odds of bribery please. Give em free meals and transportation as well. And foot massages.
F1 has been a joke for 4 years at least. Glad more are seeing it every race though.
Really don't understand the penalties for the farce at the start. I thought surely with Norris blowing any chance of winning the championship they would treat it seriously instead of shoving it under the rug.
Alonso requested medical checks after the race.
Seems like Hamilton, Alonso being used as a test mule for next season.Alonso requested medical checks after the race.
In Hamiltons case, as he's leaving, they are testing out extreme setups on his car, to gather more long race data for the car for next season.
Most the bullshit of this set of regulations could have been sorted out on day 1 in 2022 if they had included active suspension in the regulations. No porporsing, no drivers complaining of bad backs, no wasted millions on upgrades and floor designs that don't work on track.
It seems to be adopting the same ethos as the Premier League.
Entertainment comes first, the sporting side comes second.
Entertainment comes first, the sporting side comes second.
Sadly every sports is not becoming entertainment rather than any sporting activity.
I agree active suspension is the answer to a lot of the problems, but the FIA dont want to bring it back, n 1993 active suspension was banned from Formula 1 as part of a series of regulation changes aimed at curbing escalating costs and leveling the playing field among teams.
I can see why the cost would be a problem , teams with more money would develop a better system, but could they not develop a system, that could be used thought the field and thats the system every team would use and would cost the same for all teams, OK it would been every car would have to re-designed, but there could be some deal done that would allow this, if all team agreed to it.
Or maybe some sort of part active suspension , that stops the bouncing up and down.
Entertainment and Money, the sporting side sometimes comes a very poor 3rd.
money is as important as it’s ever been in sport. it needs to at least pay for itself. plenty of sports still have their core rules as untouchable. there aren’t so many like f1 that shift those around for entertainment and fan engagement. f1 is pretty much in the same bucket as boxing nowadays. and my engagement with them is the same. i enjoy watching both but can’t be fecked to get invested in the results or outcomes as someone else is doing their level best to decide those.
One of the best drives i've seen in a long while! Sensational.
agreed and I am honest in not being a Max fan, but that drive was in the Top 5 of wet race drives
He did indeed. It was a brilliant drive in very difficult circumstances.
But the suspension is one of the key components of any car? They might as well buy lola chassis and just paint them differently if they all have the same suspension.
Active suspension isn't the silver bullet to me anyway. It takes away from the drivers skill, balancing the car under braking, in wind etc. is part of driving. Trail braking would again be all but obsolete. It did it's job in getting Mansell a championship but I don't want to see it again. At least not in F1. In another series with artificial intelligence driving the cars it might be interesting.
Just get rid of ground effect again. 2 tons of down force from the wings are plenty.
all fair points which I mostly agree with, I am sure there could be a standard active suspension system that the teams could build around, I see you point about taking away from the drivers skill and yeah that would be a mistake.
It's not a British media conspiracy against him. He just can't handle being called out for his unsporting behaviour. Victim complex.
Some people are really taking things like what he said way too serious. Even on Reddit I saw Brits saying they can appreciate him taking the piss. And honestly he kind of deserved to have his shot. He doesn't get to public stories all the time like they do. That's his chance.
I do have to say Sky this time around was pretty balanced in their commentary during the race and actually commending him. Only Crofty really couldn't hide his bias again in some comments - but for his standard, he too was quite balanced. Karun was again my favorite on that end.
Active suspension works hand in hand with ground effect to keep the floor stable and not have random disconnects of airflow which have and still cause issues for the teams and drivers with snap oversteer and porporsing. It has absolutely nothing to do with braking. Braking is still finessed by the driver as there is no ABS, just as the throttle pedal is finessed by the driver as there is no traction control.
"Balancing the car under braking", is the shifting of the weight of the car.
""..The faster a vehicle is going, the more energy it has in its kinetic energy store. This means when braking, more work done is required to convert this kinetic energy to thermal energy, and stop the vehicle. The greater braking force of the vehicle, the greater the deceleration...."
So you dont want active suspension in F1 but would rather watch drivers injury their backs and have cars being uncompetitive because so of the smartest people in the world struggle with controlling ground effect without active suspension?
Looks like Lewis has now checked out of the rest of the season and is focusing on 2025
Lewis Hamilton says end of the season “can’t come soon enough,” and his expectations going into the remaining races are low.
“I just put my focus on something else. I’m not fighting for the championship, it doesn’t really matter where we finish in the championship.”
“I don’t care if I finish ahead of George or behind George, it doesn’t make that big of a difference to me. I just want to keep the car out the wall and try to score points if I can for the team.”
“If I can finish well and they give me a car that doesn’t bounce off the track in the next few races, then hopefully we get a better result. Looking forward to Christmas.”
Lewis Hamilton says end of the season “can’t come soon enough,” and his expectations going into the remaining races are low.
“I just put my focus on something else. I’m not fighting for the championship, it doesn’t really matter where we finish in the championship.”
“I don’t care if I finish ahead of George or behind George, it doesn’t make that big of a difference to me. I just want to keep the car out the wall and try to score points if I can for the team.”
“If I can finish well and they give me a car that doesn’t bounce off the track in the next few races, then hopefully we get a better result. Looking forward to Christmas.”
Shame they can't give Antonelli a go in the car if Lewis has thrown the towel in
One of the commentators got it spot on about Max yesterday, he's such a brilliant driver then almost ruins it by doing these reckless moves, yesterday we could properly appreciate his drive as there was none of the nonsense he has a tendency to pull, he was just superior by miles
Lando is becoming quite dislikable it has to be said
One of the commentators got it spot on about Max yesterday, he's such a brilliant driver then almost ruins it by doing these reckless moves, yesterday we could properly appreciate his drive as there was none of the nonsense he has a tendency to pull, he was just superior by miles
Lando is becoming quite dislikable it has to be said
I'm not sure if you are serious? Do you understand the concept of trail braking?
Introducing active suspension would mean a complete redesign of the cars, and if that is on the hands there are a lot better (and easier) ways to reduce the risk of injury then introducing it.
He's thrown the towel in because Mercedes have stopped caring about him.
Yes I do understand concept. The point was which you've missed is that we wouldn't have had 2 years of utter shite F1 (this season not included), if active suspension had been included in the regs. It would have provided a stabilising platform for the aero under the floor and would have meant we would have had two competitive seasons of F1 rather than tedium of one team and one driver domination.
A stable platform provided by active suspension would have meant we wouldn't have had a season (23) where the Ferraris would randomly disconnect their airflow and become widely unpredictable in high speed corners. Or two seasons (22/23) where the Mercedes slim sidepod concept wouldnt have worked.
But keep on about trail braking, which would have been improved with the stability that active suspension would have provided. It would give the drivers more confidence to carry more speed into the corners and improve their laptimes.
The biggest mistake of this set of regs was not to include active suspension in it.
Trail braking works by shifting weight onto the front wheels while beginning to turn in. This maximizes the traction on the front wheels at the cost of the rear. Active suspensions have always kept the car flat under braking, which improves the drive-ability by making the car more predictable but reduces the traction at the front because of the lack of additional force. Hence worse drivers gain more, but better drivers lose their advantage.
I'm not convinced active suspensions would have done anything other than reduce the driver's input into the result. I would prefer they get rid of ground effect which has not had the wanted effect before introducing active suspensions to make it "work".
Im not going to pretend to be as knowledge as either you or @dinostar77 about these things but I've always been led to believe exactly what you said: that active suspensions while equalizing things - it does so artificially bc it covers up the lack of skill some drivers have over another. Sure that may make F1 less predictable in a way - but if this is truly also about who is the best driver - it would also undermine that very idea.
https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/...os-verstappen-over-integrity-claims/10670903/
Herbert really isn't doing himself any favors yet again. Claiming there is no bias while relying on people who are naturally biased to prove you're not biased. Winning argument there Johnny.
I would expect multiple teams to start putting pressure on the FIA to address this.
Herbert really isn't doing himself any favors yet again. Claiming there is no bias while relying on people who are naturally biased to prove you're not biased. Winning argument there Johnny.
I would expect multiple teams to start putting pressure on the FIA to address this.
Yeah.https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/...os-verstappen-over-integrity-claims/10670903/
Herbert really isn't doing himself any favors yet again. Claiming there is no bias while relying on people who are naturally biased to prove you're not biased. Winning argument there Johnny.
I would expect multiple teams to start putting pressure on the FIA to address this.
"Is there any bias? No, of course not. I wasn’t the only one to think that Max was over the top in Mexico. Lando Norris and [McLaren boss] Zak Brown thought so too."
I mean.. FFS. What an idiot.
You're kind of with him for half the sentence and then he drops those names. How thick can one be?