money is as important as it’s ever been in sport. it needs to at least pay for itself. plenty of sports still have their core rules as untouchable. there aren’t so many like f1 that shift those around for entertainment and fan engagement. f1 is pretty much in the same bucket as boxing nowadays. and my engagement with them is the same. i enjoy watching both but can’t be fecked to get invested in the results or outcomes as someone else is doing their level best to decide those.
F1 2024 Season
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One of the best drives i've seen in a long while! Sensational.
agreed and I am honest in not being a Max fan, but that drive was in the Top 5 of wet race drives
He did indeed. It was a brilliant drive in very difficult circumstances.
But the suspension is one of the key components of any car? They might as well buy lola chassis and just paint them differently if they all have the same suspension.
Active suspension isn't the silver bullet to me anyway. It takes away from the drivers skill, balancing the car under braking, in wind etc. is part of driving. Trail braking would again be all but obsolete. It did it's job in getting Mansell a championship but I don't want to see it again. At least not in F1. In another series with artificial intelligence driving the cars it might be interesting.
Just get rid of ground effect again. 2 tons of down force from the wings are plenty.
all fair points which I mostly agree with, I am sure there could be a standard active suspension system that the teams could build around, I see you point about taking away from the drivers skill and yeah that would be a mistake.
It's not a British media conspiracy against him. He just can't handle being called out for his unsporting behaviour. Victim complex.
Some people are really taking things like what he said way too serious. Even on Reddit I saw Brits saying they can appreciate him taking the piss. And honestly he kind of deserved to have his shot. He doesn't get to public stories all the time like they do. That's his chance.
I do have to say Sky this time around was pretty balanced in their commentary during the race and actually commending him. Only Crofty really couldn't hide his bias again in some comments - but for his standard, he too was quite balanced. Karun was again my favorite on that end.
Active suspension works hand in hand with ground effect to keep the floor stable and not have random disconnects of airflow which have and still cause issues for the teams and drivers with snap oversteer and porporsing. It has absolutely nothing to do with braking. Braking is still finessed by the driver as there is no ABS, just as the throttle pedal is finessed by the driver as there is no traction control.
"Balancing the car under braking", is the shifting of the weight of the car.
""..The faster a vehicle is going, the more energy it has in its kinetic energy store. This means when braking, more work done is required to convert this kinetic energy to thermal energy, and stop the vehicle. The greater braking force of the vehicle, the greater the deceleration...."
So you dont want active suspension in F1 but would rather watch drivers injury their backs and have cars being uncompetitive because so of the smartest people in the world struggle with controlling ground effect without active suspension?
Looks like Lewis has now checked out of the rest of the season and is focusing on 2025
Lewis Hamilton says end of the season “can’t come soon enough,” and his expectations going into the remaining races are low.
“I just put my focus on something else. I’m not fighting for the championship, it doesn’t really matter where we finish in the championship.”
“I don’t care if I finish ahead of George or behind George, it doesn’t make that big of a difference to me. I just want to keep the car out the wall and try to score points if I can for the team.”
“If I can finish well and they give me a car that doesn’t bounce off the track in the next few races, then hopefully we get a better result. Looking forward to Christmas.”
Lewis Hamilton says end of the season “can’t come soon enough,” and his expectations going into the remaining races are low.
“I just put my focus on something else. I’m not fighting for the championship, it doesn’t really matter where we finish in the championship.”
“I don’t care if I finish ahead of George or behind George, it doesn’t make that big of a difference to me. I just want to keep the car out the wall and try to score points if I can for the team.”
“If I can finish well and they give me a car that doesn’t bounce off the track in the next few races, then hopefully we get a better result. Looking forward to Christmas.”
Shame they can't give Antonelli a go in the car if Lewis has thrown the towel in
One of the commentators got it spot on about Max yesterday, he's such a brilliant driver then almost ruins it by doing these reckless moves, yesterday we could properly appreciate his drive as there was none of the nonsense he has a tendency to pull, he was just superior by miles
Lando is becoming quite dislikable it has to be said
One of the commentators got it spot on about Max yesterday, he's such a brilliant driver then almost ruins it by doing these reckless moves, yesterday we could properly appreciate his drive as there was none of the nonsense he has a tendency to pull, he was just superior by miles
Lando is becoming quite dislikable it has to be said
I'm not sure if you are serious? Do you understand the concept of trail braking?
Introducing active suspension would mean a complete redesign of the cars, and if that is on the hands there are a lot better (and easier) ways to reduce the risk of injury then introducing it.
He's thrown the towel in because Mercedes have stopped caring about him.
Yes I do understand concept. The point was which you've missed is that we wouldn't have had 2 years of utter shite F1 (this season not included), if active suspension had been included in the regs. It would have provided a stabilising platform for the aero under the floor and would have meant we would have had two competitive seasons of F1 rather than tedium of one team and one driver domination.
A stable platform provided by active suspension would have meant we wouldn't have had a season (23) where the Ferraris would randomly disconnect their airflow and become widely unpredictable in high speed corners. Or two seasons (22/23) where the Mercedes slim sidepod concept wouldnt have worked.
But keep on about trail braking, which would have been improved with the stability that active suspension would have provided. It would give the drivers more confidence to carry more speed into the corners and improve their laptimes.
The biggest mistake of this set of regs was not to include active suspension in it.
Trail braking works by shifting weight onto the front wheels while beginning to turn in. This maximizes the traction on the front wheels at the cost of the rear. Active suspensions have always kept the car flat under braking, which improves the drive-ability by making the car more predictable but reduces the traction at the front because of the lack of additional force. Hence worse drivers gain more, but better drivers lose their advantage.
I'm not convinced active suspensions would have done anything other than reduce the driver's input into the result. I would prefer they get rid of ground effect which has not had the wanted effect before introducing active suspensions to make it "work".
Im not going to pretend to be as knowledge as either you or @dinostar77 about these things but I've always been led to believe exactly what you said: that active suspensions while equalizing things - it does so artificially bc it covers up the lack of skill some drivers have over another. Sure that may make F1 less predictable in a way - but if this is truly also about who is the best driver - it would also undermine that very idea.
https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/...os-verstappen-over-integrity-claims/10670903/
Herbert really isn't doing himself any favors yet again. Claiming there is no bias while relying on people who are naturally biased to prove you're not biased. Winning argument there Johnny.
I would expect multiple teams to start putting pressure on the FIA to address this.
Herbert really isn't doing himself any favors yet again. Claiming there is no bias while relying on people who are naturally biased to prove you're not biased. Winning argument there Johnny.
I would expect multiple teams to start putting pressure on the FIA to address this.
Yeah.https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/...os-verstappen-over-integrity-claims/10670903/
Herbert really isn't doing himself any favors yet again. Claiming there is no bias while relying on people who are naturally biased to prove you're not biased. Winning argument there Johnny.
I would expect multiple teams to start putting pressure on the FIA to address this.
"Is there any bias? No, of course not. I wasn’t the only one to think that Max was over the top in Mexico. Lando Norris and [McLaren boss] Zak Brown thought so too."
I mean.. FFS. What an idiot.
You're kind of with him for half the sentence and then he drops those names. How thick can one be?
Happy about that. Too many washed up drivers on the grid and we need some fresh blood.So with the Sauber news about Bottas and Zhou leaving, and probably Bortoletto in, and if Colapinto goes to RB with Lawson to Red Bull...
We could have Antonelli, Lawson, Doohan, Colapinto, Bortolleto and Bearman all having rookie or near-rookie seasons in F1 next year. Which is pretty incredible and must be unprecedented.
And the other thing that means is there are going to be so many red flags and safety cars next year
Definitely a stark generational shift happening.
Exciting times potentially really, the grid has been mostly stable for the last few years so new blood coming in and hopefully tearing it up is good.
Exciting times potentially really, the grid has been mostly stable for the last few years so new blood coming in and hopefully tearing it up is good.
Zhou was easily the worst on the grid but feel kind of bad for Bottas, he was routinely outperforming the car. But its well deserved for the next generation, they look very good. Kind of a shame for Pourchaire and Drugovich though, just bad timing.
Hopefully Perez and Hulk are next.
Hopefully Perez and Hulk are next.
Agreed, way too many drivers who are lucky to still be on the grid
It's a shame daddy owns that AM team, if AN builds them a rocket ship, will he be forced to be ruthless?
Probably the best time to sell the team really, think even he knows his son is shit at this point.
Bottas new Mercedes reserve driver for next season. Smart appointment, especially if it does end up being too early for antonelli. Plus Mercedes know him very well.
Happy for him. And yeah I'm sure he ll be useful to them given his experience. And he gets to still be involved in F1 while having more time for all his outdoorsy side activities.
I've been banging the drum on this pretty much since he opened his mouth in the capacity as FIA president:
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2...int-statement-fia-swearing-verstappen-leclerc
Glad they are speaking out. Next step is to boycott a sprint race as entire group if he doesn't feck off.
official statement: we are the gladiators
Aye, glad they're standing up to that cnut.
The problem is that they’ll struggle to get rid of him due to the money from the Middle East.
You're probably right. Hopefully this pushes him towards being more of an advocate for f1, f1 teams and drivers, instead of acting like the head teacher.
I've been critical of Max over the years, however the thought that such a talented and dedicated driver would publicly contemplate leaving before he has to is a sad indictment of the current state of affairs (not that I think he will in the near future).
Whatever happens in response to the GPDA statement - I hope they make Max do the community service but find a way for him to take the piss with it. Like feeding Qatari slave laborers or clean up the Kyalami circuit to prevent another city circuit from being added. Or speak with people with Tourettes.
Well, Verstappen had a demi-god wet race and just sealed his title, hopefully this will also put an end to the underlying hot fumes and feuds among the clans.
Busy day for F1 news...
- Neils Wittich 'steps down' from his role at F1 race director, with some rumours saying he's been pushed and other sources saying he's another high ranking FIA official that has fallen out with Bin Sulayem.
- Alpine have confirmed they'll use Mercedes engines and gear boxes next year - I would expect some team name change in line with sponsorship next year too.
- Dan Fallows has left his role as Technical Director at Aston Martin. They say he'll remain within the group, but I imagine he'll just be seeing out a notice period. I would expect him to join a midfield team next season.
In a historic first for Formula 1, all 10 teams – drivers, team principals, and their 2025 liveries – will converge under one roof for a spectacular collective season launch event at London’s The O2 next February.
https://f1i.com/news/524475-formula...HSGs0IkuAK0phNgfNQ_aem_3mR67A_GhfMxbq8Q8UeKpA
https://f1i.com/news/524475-formula...HSGs0IkuAK0phNgfNQ_aem_3mR67A_GhfMxbq8Q8UeKpA
Im happy they re at least doing it in England and not here. I like to think you Brits know how to make it a wee bit less cringey. Though it will obviously still be cringe.
The cheapest ticket is £58 for basically seeing a 2024 car in a 2025 livery. The proverbial milking of the cow is in full effect for the Netflix generation.
I like the idea of one big event, but yes I think you are correct, just a way to make money from the fans , who will pay and it will be a sell out.
But you know it ll be sold out regardless.
I keep going back to one of the most poignant quotes from the movie Gladiator:
"I think he knows what Rome is. Rome is the mob. He will give them death, and they will love him for it. The beating heart of Rome is not the marble of the Senate. It's the sand of the Colosseum. He'll bring them death, and they will call it entertainment."
In other words distract the masses through superficial means with food and entertainment to distract them from the societal or political problems that exist. People will feel special, and will gladly drop the money just to say they were there. It fits in with so much of today's world in my opinion.
Christian Menath
@MSM_Christian
Niels Wittich told me he didn't step down from his role as #F1 race director. He was just fired and was told so today. Very strange things happening 3 races before the end of the season...
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/articles/c4gvpn1exnvo
".........It seems, however, Wittich has not departed on good terms. Contacted by Motorsport-Magazin, Wittich succinctly said: "I have not resigned." The publication reports that Wittich was told just before the announcement that he was being fired.
What is known is that the FIA has moved swiftly as staff were not informed of the impending initial statement until shortly before its release......."