Mick was never good enough for F1. If his surname wasn't schmacher he wouldn't even if made the grid.
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Mick Schumacher is miles better than that his time at Haas gives him credit for. He has the talent and demonstrated by winning both F2 and F3 championships and beaten current F1 drives in the process of going to those championships. @mariachi-19 is right in that he was hampered by Steiner and evidence this season shows in fact the entire Haas team were held back by him. I fear Schumacher will struggle to get a seat now, but based on the current people grid he has the talent to be there.
This goes both ways. If his old man wasn’t Michael he might still have one…
Yes it does go both ways, but in his time in F1 he never showed anything to suggest he would be a top talent
To be fair that is true of about 90% of the current and 80% of all F1 drivers throughout history. From a pure driving angle he isn't too slow imo, but neither are people like S.Van der Linde, and he'll never get a shot either. F1 isn't a meritocracy. In reality it's barely a sport/competition at this point.
Red Bull Sporting Director Jonathan Wheatley to leave the team to become Team Principal of the Audi F1 project
Jos was probably right in that the more Horner stayed in the seat, the more significant the exodus.
I love seeing people leave Red Bull. Primarily because I just despise Christian Horner.
Whether it's to do with Horner or not, seeing people leave successful organizations to find a new challenge happens the world over. Merc had plenty of their own departures over the years, as has Ferrari. It d be more odd if it didn't happen in some ways.
I wouldnt bet against Max leaving for Mercedes in 2025.
People become successful and the ability to move up deteriorates. The only way they move is by going to other organisations.
https://www.mestmotor.se/automotors...jack-doohan-will-drive-for-alpine-f1-in-2025/
Jack Doohan gets the other Alpine seat alongside Gasly.
Apparently Mick Schumacher put himself forward for the seat and was rejected. Sure there were others no doubt.
Jack Doohan gets the other Alpine seat alongside Gasly.
Apparently Mick Schumacher put himself forward for the seat and was rejected. Sure there were others no doubt.
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Audi may put F2 driver Gabriel Borteleto alongside Hulkenberg.
https://formu1a.uno/it/sorpresa-audi-binotto-pensa-ad-un-rookie-al-fianco-di-hulkenberg/
https://formu1a.uno/it/sorpresa-audi-binotto-pensa-ad-un-rookie-al-fianco-di-hulkenberg/
Will Verstappen be given yet another grid penalty? Horner answers:
- Max Verstappen reached his fifth internal combustion engine unit of the season at the Belgian Grand Prix, the 14th race of the season. With 10 more races remaining after the summer break, it is uncertain if he will manage with the engines he currently has.
- Red Bull team principal Christian Horner indicated that while it’s difficult to provide a straightforward answer, Verstappen might not require another grid penalty if no unusual issues arise. Horner stated:
"It depends what happens to the pool, so we think we're okay at the moment."
- Verstappen’s choice of only replacing the combustion engine at Spa cost him a 10-place grid penalty, whereas Yuki Tsunoda, who replaced his entire engine package, incurred a 60-place grid penalty.
- Verstappen is already at the maximum limit for several powerplant components including the Turbo Charger (TC), MGU-H, MGU-K, Energy Store (ES), and Control Electronics. Any further changes would result in grid penalties.
- Sergio Perez has yet to use his fifth internal combustion engine but has replaced his Energy Store and Control Electronics for the third time, which was done at the British Grand Prix.
- Verstappen, having already reached the maximum allowed for some components, will need to ensure his current engine pool lasts longer than Perez’s.
- Max Verstappen reached his fifth internal combustion engine unit of the season at the Belgian Grand Prix, the 14th race of the season. With 10 more races remaining after the summer break, it is uncertain if he will manage with the engines he currently has.
- Red Bull team principal Christian Horner indicated that while it’s difficult to provide a straightforward answer, Verstappen might not require another grid penalty if no unusual issues arise. Horner stated:
"It depends what happens to the pool, so we think we're okay at the moment."
- Verstappen’s choice of only replacing the combustion engine at Spa cost him a 10-place grid penalty, whereas Yuki Tsunoda, who replaced his entire engine package, incurred a 60-place grid penalty.
- Verstappen is already at the maximum limit for several powerplant components including the Turbo Charger (TC), MGU-H, MGU-K, Energy Store (ES), and Control Electronics. Any further changes would result in grid penalties.
- Sergio Perez has yet to use his fifth internal combustion engine but has replaced his Energy Store and Control Electronics for the third time, which was done at the British Grand Prix.
- Verstappen, having already reached the maximum allowed for some components, will need to ensure his current engine pool lasts longer than Perez’s.
I would say most of the top guys will take penalties at some point anyway.
So it's looking increasingly likely that Newey has signed for Aston Martin now. Ferrari have stepped away from discussions as one of Newey's rumoured demands was a veto on engineering staff coming in, Vasseur didn't think that would be healthy for the team on a long term basis once Newey would finally leave F1. Alignment looks good for Aston though with Fallows and Alessi already there, Honda coming on board too. Wouldn't surprise me if Stroll even pushes the boat out and tries to get Verstappen too.
So I would imagine we'll get confirmation at Monza or Singapore on Newey. Also likely that Antonelli to Mercedes is a done deal as well.
Anyone else think this system of penalties damages qualifying? We endure all sorts of gimmicks these days to make F1 "appeal to the masses" and "entertain" but then the rules are detrimental to those goals. I'm far from Max's biggest fan but any qualifying that he isn't battling for pole just because of arbitrary rules is a loss. If he or his car isn't fast enough... fair enough.
Also if you already have a 20 grid penalty what's the point in even trying to get into q2? Just to put more wear on the car and use up tires!?
I feel like it's worked on the whole actually, even if you lose a big name to grid drops they actually end up being more interesting races.
In my opinion they only made races more interesting whenever they affected Lewis or Max while those were in extremely OP cars. At which point we saw great drivers DRS cruising past 16-17 people and start to chase at the end. If Lewis or Max are in just slightly better cars than the rest they can't do that either.
Something is rotten in Denmark.
So now we can finally stop talking about it right? I do think this means Red Bull will now be very confident there is nothing to be gained from them in court. Im somewhat familiar with the legal system in the UK and although different in many ways - I can't imagine a company like that and well established and respected attorneys who were on the case to risk losing face if it gets appealed. They must feel very confident this is done and dusted. If it wasn't, Horner would either be gone by now or an out of court settlement would have happened.
Would be awesome if they could do that these days but you can commercial interests will prevent agreement on what kind of car, among other reasons.
Their schedules nowadays would make it very difficult as well. Would have to be past drivers and do it as a big charity event or something.
Wache admits RedBull would have been better off sticking with last year's car and developing that concept.
https://www.gpblog.com/en/news/294719/wache-on-red-bull-rb20-concept-2024.html
https://www.gpblog.com/en/news/294719/wache-on-red-bull-rb20-concept-2024.html
Not surprised and I thought similar comments were made before by someone else high up in RB. Guess they may have the scrape the bottom to not fall behind next year and before regs change again. Guess this also explains the testing of the old car and the removal of the "shoulder" inlets - even though they said that was track specific.
Is this years RB car such a radical shift from previous years?
It was described as revolution rather than evolution from last year's car. We can only see so much, alot of the important stuff is hidden away on the floor and other places we just don't see.
What we wont ever know is whether RB would have been caught the way they have by McLaren had they carried on developing last year's car design.
One thing is for sure, they lost that DRS advantage they had with last year's car, or the competition figured it out and nullified the advantage this season. Again we won't ever know.
The problem with this ruleset is that you are limited by the mechanical ability of the car. The floor could be producing a lot more downforce but the mechanics i.e. suspension etc cannot cope with the extra demand. Ferrari have this issue this season and it can't be fully resolved until 2025 as it means redesigning the suspension geometry.
Also RB have issues with correlating the numbers they see on their simulators and wind tunnel and what is actually happening on track. That's a very difficult problem to fix that can take over a season to resolve.
That’s interesting. Thanks for the insight! Where do you read up about this stuff? I have no good regular reading material for F1 for news which is massively unhelpful
Motorsports F1, Autosport F1, GPblog, F1tehnical in reddit and a few twitter accounts (formula data analysis, formula nerds, Albert fabrega, F1 analysed, F1 telemetry bot, F1 official documentation).
So a whole load of different accounts and sites
I would hazard a guess that the recent, and extremely specific, FIA technical directive banning asymmetric braking torques has had a more significant impact on Red Bull performance and the field closing at the front this year.
I don't see how a team could exploit this loophole without getting uneven tyre wear. Obviously on a a course with the majority of turns being right or left handers you could, but the grip from the rears on the straight would be an issue.
I do remember Max pulling off some insane late braking overtakes (can't remember where exactly), there might be something to it, especially if they were able to change it via settings during a lap. It would also explain Checo's drop off if he's now struggling with both the rear and the brakes. However if it was a thing it was only one of the ways in which the RB's were/are superior, think there are plenty more.
From what I've read if they did use a system like that it would primarily increase the braking performance while cornering, not so much when braking in a straight line. And nobody knows if they did, it's all speculation at this point really.
I would assume it would help when turning in under braking. Agree with the speculation part, but we won't really know for sure until many years down the line.
Maybe it's McLaren who have been doing something with the brakes. After all RedBull have been looking at McLaren brake system very closely.
Anyway if anyone is affected it might become apparent at next GP
Anyway if anyone is affected it might become apparent at next GP