Sure it never should have been a red flag anyway.
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Sure it never should have been a red flag anyway.
Then it was finish behind a SC. In any case , there'd be someone unhappy
The chaos has not yet ended.
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These posts are bizarrely defensive, it's fairly easy to understand why someone might think it's over as its basically right on the edge. A simple "no he's in, here's why" would have sufficed.
As for the race, it was mostly manufactured excitement again, Red Bull are miles ahead of everyone and without finding excuses to bunch cars together at the end it would have been another procession
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It's just people often Jump to conclusion as as the poster I replied to did.
Said he was definitely out and only not getting penalised because it's Max which is just a silly statement when he didn't have all the info. I'd understand if he was discussing the possibility of him being out but that wasn't the case.
Watching the highlights now.
Shocked Russell and Lewis were leading Max for a while, very good start.
I did not think anybody was to blame for Leclerc.
First Red screwed Russell.
Shocked Russell and Lewis were leading Max for a while, very good start.
I did not think anybody was to blame for Leclerc.
First Red screwed Russell.
DRS on Max's car 
DRS on Max's car
2 seconds in one lap ahead of Hamilton, ridiculous.
Kevin's rear loss was lucky, could have hit another car.
Sainz
Last lap restart was epic choas
I think I’m going to do what the poster below has said and try watch a different racing series.
I said CS. i.e Counter-Strike. They have amazing casters, there has been a different winner of a tournament in every one that I’ve seen thus far. It’s more tactical than I thought it would be (even though I played it myself when I was a kid). Though honestly I can’t watch entire finals, one of them went on for like 5 hours . But the highlights themselves are good enough and can be seen in an 30-60 mins.
Sainz was in tears, but that was his fault unfortunately. It's a shame, because he had a good race.
Sargeant though, that was amateur stuff.
Sargeant though, that was amateur stuff.
Good fun race, although I do think the two red flags at the end were bonkers. First Red Flag at Lap 55 should have been a SC and ideally if they were to red flag, might as well done a rolling start and well there should never have been a second, just for parading. Very easy to say all this in hindsight mind.
One thing is clear, RBR well ahead of the pack. Ferrari is nowhere close enough (Either due to engineering issues) or Driver errors. 2nd place between Merc and AM at this point. Those summer upgrades might be the difference.
One thing is clear, RBR well ahead of the pack. Ferrari is nowhere close enough (Either due to engineering issues) or Driver errors. 2nd place between Merc and AM at this point. Those summer upgrades might be the difference.
After Abu Dhabi nobody is taking chances.
I think we'll see more of this from the FIA this year of easy SC and Red Flags to help inject some entertainment as Red Bull canter off into the distance. Doesn't excuse or justify the farcical decision process, and the FIA's weird obsession of not finishing behind a SC. The power of the DRS on that Red Bull though is a game changer for them this year, and it's almost a question of when, rather than if when it comes to overtakes for them with it.
Merc & Ferrari race pace definitely seemed to improve on this track, will be interesting to see if this is track/conditions specific or whether it's a one off.
Merc & Ferrari race pace definitely seemed to improve on this track, will be interesting to see if this is track/conditions specific or whether it's a one off.
Not Taking chances is one thing, but a bit of sensibility also needs to kick in, plus Abu Dhabi was 2021. I can understand the argument for the Red flag considering there was so much sand on the track, but then why do a standing start. With 2 laps to go, you know people will give it all. Rolling start and lot of that mess could have been avoided, while still being entertaining.
There will be a few more such tricky tracks this season, hope they keep consistency in the decision making and refine it where needed.
I think standing starts are in the rules for that case. Can't remember a rolling start after red flag unless there is rain.
I missed the race. Did he have any punishment for this?
This latest incarnation of F1 is a joke.
Really? I thought Race control was at the liberty of deciding between the two? Atleast that's the commentators hinted at (Not that that's any great indicator in itself). Even the last red flag was a rolling start to chequred flag (Although that one was a given).
Can't remember what the commentators at my stream said either rules or agreement between fia and teams.
Could they have not ended the race under safety car as they did at Monza?
what an insufferable person your posts imply you are.Says the guy who walks into a thread hours later with no context or background (presumably).
Factually, he is beyond the line. Legally too, it appears. Not everything is a fecking conspiracy. Not everything is to be taken with a literal meaning. Literally reactions like yours are why it’s so difficult to engage in reasonable discussions with people like you.
Honest question which line are you looking at? Yellow or white?
Trying to see your point of view on this one but honestly can't. Can you explain further how he is past where is permitted despite the fact Toto and Sam Collins stating otherwise?
Confirmed No penalty points for Gasly. Lucky boy as would have been a race ban.
That race really went to shit for him real fast.
He was honestly driver of the day before the late red flag
That race really went to shit for him real fast.
He was honestly driver of the day before the late red flag
Please read my post again. The tyre is beyond the line (pretty sure this doesn’t need explaining). I also said it appears to be legally beyond the line (also pretty sure that doesn’t need explaining, but just in case, I’m saying it appears the position of his tyre is legal). Clearly A) I wasn’t clear on exactly what point is the determining marker on the tyre (and largely my reaction was based on how much further ahead in the box he was than others). And B) the comment about Max getting special treatment was, somewhat, in jest.
Not some conspiracy theory. Not some vendetta. Not exactly sharing false information either. So honest view - you need to relax before jumping into a thread hours after the fact with frankly nonsense.
We complained last year when they did tbf.
The actual FIA's ruling on this is from article 48 of the sporting regulations - https://www.fia.com/sites/default/f...orting_regulations_-_issue_2_-_2022-09-30.pdf
Verstappen's contact patch of his tyre was on the line, and not outside of the grid box. On the sporting regs, Verstappen was within the grid box and there was no infringement of the regulations.
Verstappen's contact patch of his tyre was on the line, and not outside of the grid box. On the sporting regs, Verstappen was within the grid box and there was no infringement of the regulations.
Guess we misunderstood eachother then. It's no biggie. Hard to tell with posts how serious people are with conspiracies.
But yeah he wasn't too far forward as the first post said. He is essentially the perfect amount forward as it's still within limits. A bit more and he'd be beyond the permitted limit. Probably made the difference staying ahead but in the end it was irrelevant as the order got reset.
Fine margins after all. We can also see in the overhead an Alpine (I think) quite far forward as well.
And on the opposite end of the spectrum there was drivers a lot further back than required as well.
Was never gonna be a penalty as there was no infringment as it was legal as you mentioned in you later posts.
Silverstone last year says different no? They did the countback there last season as well.
Personally I actually don't think I agree with the rule but that's what was done last season so no reason the same shouldn't be done this season.
They dismissed Haas protest about an hour ago.
Ah I forgot about the RB tire where the part that touches the tarmac isn't the middle.
Using a picture from that distance and angle to determine that Max is over the line just shows how people only see what they want to see.
Did we ? Fair enough. But I would prefer to finish behind the SC and save a lot of time. Than red flag it and go racing for 100metres.
https://racingnews365.com/alonso-responds-to-hamiltons-red-bull-comments-he-has-a-short-memory/amp
Alonso is not fan of Lewis, but he has a point on the advantage. People easily forget how good car Hamilton had.
In the end, 20 seconds or a minute though, the difference is still too big though.
I know I did!
Alonso is not fan of Lewis, but he has a point on the advantage. People easily forget how good car Hamilton had.
In the end, 20 seconds or a minute though, the difference is still too big though.
I know I did!