I still watch and enjoy it, but I can see where you are coming from, at one time I would make sure I was home and watching for qualifying and the race, now if I have to go somewhere when its on, I do it and watch highlight's later
F1 2023 Season
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Yeah same
I remember watching it.
1984 Monaco Grand Prix
The race at which Ayrton Senna first made his presence known in F1, the 1984 Monaco Grand Prix saw the Brazilian driver make his mark by reeling in the McLaren of Alain Prost in heavily wet conditions.
Senna had started the race from 13th in his Toleman, climbing up to second place and setting off in hot pursuit of Prost. With the French driver suffering from a brake imbalance on his McLaren, Prost began waving to the stewards to complain about the track conditions being unsafe as Senna drew ever closer.
The red flag was waved at the end of Lap 32, with Jacky Ickx, course clerk, deciding conditions had become too poor to continue. Senna passed Prost before the finish line on the 32nd lap, but the rules dictated the positions were taken from the last lap completed by every driver – that being Lap 31, when Prost was leading.
Ickx’s decision to stop the race resulted in him being suspended from duty due to making the decision by himself, and raised eyebrows due to his connection to Porsche as a leading sportscar driver – Porsche providing the engine in the back of Prost’s McLaren.
The race being stopped also had repercussions in the title fight. Had it continued until 75% race distance, the full points awarded to Prost for a likely second place (at least) would have resulted in a six-point score, instead of 4.5 for a half-points win. Prost would lose the 1984 title by just half a point.
Interesting, didn't know about Ickx and that he was suspended, or that Prost being Prost made him lose the title.
I had forgot about Ickx to be honest.
Prost is one of my all time fav drivers, the Senna doc is a fantastic film and cover the feud with Prost well.
No, Ferrari wanted him to stay and Luca di Montezemolo (The Ferrari president) offered him a contract extension. He turned it down because he had lost faith in them providing him a car that could win the championship which was proven right. And Ferrari was built around him.
Where is the proof of this difficult character? Are the F1 fans a source of information now over the teambosses and race engineers accounts of him? Please show me one negative statement from anyone that has worked with Alonso and said he was difficult.
He also left on his terms at McLaren Honda, they never got rid.
Mercedes didnt hire him and Red Bull won't hire him because two alphas in a team cannot coexist and they don't want to upset their star drivers. Ferrari should have been that team for him that dominated but it didn't work out. nothing more.
I dont think he comes over being difficult to work with, I think sometimes he opens his mouth before engaging his brain, but we are all guilty of that sometimes.
That's encouraging - but isn't the problem more down to the diffuser than the tyres? Can't imagine a way to cover that up...
F1 teams face fresh flexi-wing clampdown as tricks revealed
Formula 1 teams face a fresh clampdown on flexi wings after this weekend’s Italian Grand Prix, Autosport can reveal, with the FIA moving to counter tricks it believes are illegal.
From what I have read, people are concerned that McLaren would be most impacted. Also Alpine rear wing move a lot.
Formula 1 teams face a fresh clampdown on flexi wings after this weekend’s Italian Grand Prix, Autosport can reveal, with the FIA moving to counter tricks it believes are illegal.
From what I have read, people are concerned that McLaren would be most impacted. Also Alpine rear wing move a lot.
Alpine’s rear wing is genuinely ridiculous though.
https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/...rlCrByW-nSkNVzMAfcMbswscbJZMy4YXqeDOA4ZpiwThk
What I can read again from all this is that the car fits Verstappen, but at the same time he it looks like he flawless and ridiculously fast unlike Perez, and that Perez is simply much much slower than him.
Have we ever had such a difference between quality of teammates? Why won't some people admit that Max is just ridiculous this season, because there is simply not more arguments left?
What I can read again from all this is that the car fits Verstappen, but at the same time he it looks like he flawless and ridiculously fast unlike Perez, and that Perez is simply much much slower than him.
Have we ever had such a difference between quality of teammates? Why won't some people admit that Max is just ridiculous this season, because there is simply not more arguments left?
For me the DRS overtakes seem too effortless and the cars quickly slot into a zone of their own, number two drivers way off the number one driver. The wet can make it interesting but it all seems very specialized to each track and car in the wet or dry and each drivers capabilities. We need a bit more general performance instead of anomalous random bouts of competitiveness.
new F2 car.
Good news
Well, to be fair, I think most people do admit that he's ridiculous and the best driver on the grid at the moment. I think a lot of people are probably bored of the same bloke winning all the time, so you tend to see people lash out, or perhaps take their frustration out on the driver who's doing all the winning. This is nothing new; it has always been a thing in this sport. I knew loads of people who hated Schumacher (I wasn't a massive fan at the time) because he would bloody win everything.
Ultimately though, and I've always said this, if you don't like the driver who's doing all the winning, you will put more emphasis on he car. Conversely, if you're a big fan of the driver, then you will emphasise his skills more (while also admitting the car is the best, because you would be delusional to think otherwise). It's how it is.
because its not that simple to anyone who actually understands how F1 works. The RB has been built around Max's driving style and not Perez's. Therefore its harder for Perez to drive the car. Its why being a no1 driver is so important. Just look at albion performances at Williams. The car has been built around his driving style. Put him in the RB right now and he will struggle as much as Perez.
You can start to see similar stuff at Mercedes since James Allison came back. They are going back to building the car around what Hamilton needs and its slowly going away from Russell.
Ironically Perez and Russell would make good teammates as they have very similar smooth, precise, clean driving style. In the same team the car would suit both of them.
As for Max, yes a great driver, but he has no competition and may not do so next year. Not his fault. However its all very similar to how Vettels early career was progressing and people thought he might go onto be a 7 or 8 times world champion.
When you have no oppositon to benchmark you and no teammate to challenge you, its difficult to gauge if its the car or the driver. Again parellels with Vettels 4 WDC's.
Give Hamilton, Alonso, Leclerc a properly competitive car to challenge max and then the question can be answered.
Hmmm...so hes a free agent for 2026 when the rules change. Thats interesting.
How old will he be then, though? 42 is it. He still has it in him, of course. He's still a great driver. When I saw this current contact was until 2025, i thought maybe he calls it quits after that. Or maybe, as you imply, he's going to wait for the rule changes to see how that impacts Mercedes before he makes his next big move. Because that will definitely be his last contact you would imagine, so I guess this is a smart thing to do.
I completely understand what being no1 and no2 driver means, but Verstappen blews out his competition while Perez fight with couple of slower cars race after race.
But maybe that means that that Red Bull isn't that much faster than the competition in general, it's just that Max drives it like a maniac because it simply fits his racing style and he can get more out of it than other drivers can? Being 1-2 second quicker regulary than your teammate is probably unheard of, he was 3-4 seconds quicker than Perez for few laps in the rain last week in same period of the race with identical tires ffs.
Hes 38 now, so 40 by end of 2025. Whether he retires or not depends if he can get title no8. I dont think he wants to retire with abu dhabi 2021 defining his career.
By 2025 season, he should have an idea of how good the Mercedes 2026 car will be. Or he might jump ship to ferrari? Why not try try something no one since fangio has done and win WDC with three different teams?
Also i think if the result had been different for that race, he would have retired after it.
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This RB is one of the greatest cars ever built in the last 20 years of F1. Its ridiculously faster than the competition. But like the Hamilton/Bottas years, without actual competition its difficult to draw any conclusions.
Max is in cruise control most races and doesnt need to try, just like the Vettel RBs years and just like the Hamilton years with Bottas. Without actual competition you wont see the best of max, because he isnt being pushed.
The car simply doesnt suit Perez driving style, plus hes down on confidence.
Ferrari would seriously need to sort their shit out for him to go there. But having him and Leclerc there (because I don't think he's going anywhere) would make that an incredibly strong team, and also very fun to watch. Would love to see that.
Hot take, but how about going back to...McLaren. If they can continue to improve (I know it's early days) but maybe a return there. Him and Piastri, with Lando gong to Merc.
He could do i.e. go back to Mclaren. No-one can predict the future, especially when it comes.to competative cars. As a F1 fan though id love to see Hamilton and Verstappen in a ferrari (not at the same time).
I still think its the ultimate test of a driver, to get that dyafunctional outfit working and delivering a WDC. Who knows if Senna had lived, he might have taken on the ferrari challenge.
Seeing Lewis and Max at Ferrari would be worth it for the entertainment of the comms alone. Neither driver would take the shit Charles has. That's also why they re champs and I still don't see Charles ever quite reaching that level. He's one of the best drivers on the grid when it comes to raw skills but he doesn't carry the same aura as the others. He would have been a Barichello or Irvine if the other driver was a clear number 1 like Schumacher was.
Personally I think him signing is a pointed to Mercedes maybe having a decent car next season, no don't laugh 
Would he sign a new contract with the car he has got now, I don't think he would, for what could be his last 2 season he will want a car that is capable of winning races, he wants that 8th title.
He wont settle for be for what he is driving now.
I can see him going to Ferrari after the 2 years, but has already said they would have to seriously up their game, also back to McLaren can't be ruled out
Would he sign a new contract with the car he has got now, I don't think he would, for what could be his last 2 season he will want a car that is capable of winning races, he wants that 8th title.
He wont settle for be for what he is driving now.
I can see him going to Ferrari after the 2 years, but has already said they would have to seriously up their game, also back to McLaren can't be ruled out
Basically yes , but there will be tweaks and upgrades, to this years car.
I don’t think he will like or even care about Ferrari’s notorious strategies. I don’t think he will move to Ferrari in the future, although I’m a diehard Fer fan and I want to see him at Fer too. I can see him being a contender even in his 40s if he has a great enough car to do it.
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Leclerc is a championship material and he would learn a lot from Lewis, especially in terms of small details and strategies. Charles is lightning quick but sometimes have a tendency to crash or makes error too much in his game. Having Lewis(if he comes) as a mentor will definitely help him a lot. I don't want him to be another Giles Villeneuve.
Lightning quick with a tendency to crash could describe any tier 2 driver when they try to drive like tier 1 for a while. I think the jury is still out on Charles.
These are conflicting.
Leclerc hasn’t really improved much since going to Ferrari. He’s fast, that’s it.
In FP1 tpday, Red Bull will test a modified version of the medium-downforce wing on Perez’s car, while Max will use an unchanged medium-downforce rear wing.
Namely, on Perez’s wing, we can notice a modification in the form of a Gurney flap, which prevents flow separation and thus improves wing efficiency. This solution could be an ideal compromise, considering the already significant performance gap Red Bull has compared to other cars.
Red Bull spring a surprise with Monza rear wing configuration (msn.com)
Namely, on Perez’s wing, we can notice a modification in the form of a Gurney flap, which prevents flow separation and thus improves wing efficiency. This solution could be an ideal compromise, considering the already significant performance gap Red Bull has compared to other cars.
Red Bull spring a surprise with Monza rear wing configuration (msn.com)
and McLaren
Reports have said relating to flexible front wings that several teams have already had to make changes to the front wings, several rounds ago.
Not modifying the rear wing on Maxs car (if they stick with it for qually and the race) is a slap in the face for the rest of the grid.In FP1 tpday, Red Bull will test a modified version of the medium-downforce wing on Perez’s car, while Max will use an unchanged medium-downforce rear wing.
Namely, on Perez’s wing, we can notice a modification in the form of a Gurney flap, which prevents flow separation and thus improves wing efficiency. This solution could be an ideal compromise, considering the already significant performance gap Red Bull has compared to other cars.
Red Bull spring a surprise with Monza rear wing configuration (msn.com)
Monza is a circuit where you run / introduce a track specific rear wing, teams have always done that. The fact that RB dont need to, tells you how utterly field destoryingly quick this car is.
Irony if it increases the vast gap between RB and everyone else.
I'm siding with Leclerc on this one. Last years crashes were driver error. Theres a fine lime between on the limit and over it. However this years adventures off track, have to be put down to a car with fundamental issues. Not knowning if a car will understeer or oversteer on a lap by lap basis must be incredibly difficult and frustrating to drive.
There was a rumour (unsubstanciated), that for this seasons car, ferrari president intervened and dicated that "a ferrari must be the fastest car on a straight". So they concentrated on that and didnt notice or have time to find the understeer/oversteer issue in pre season testing.
I had forgot about this.
More messing about with qualifying
Providing that track is dry for the session:
In Q1 only the hard tyre will be available.
In Q2 only the medium tyre will be available.
In Q3 only the soft tyre will be available.
If a wet session is declared then the drivers and teams will have a free choice of tyre.
The intention of the 'Alternative Tyre Allocation' trial is to see if fewer tyres can be taken to Grand Prix weekends.
Under the trial, the number of dry tyre sets available to each car for the weekend is reduced from 13 to 11.
This amounts to 40 sets - or 160 tyres - being saved over the course of the weekend. If this was implemented at all 23 races this season, it would save 3,680 tyres.
Each driver will have three sets of hard tyres, four sets of medium tyres and four sets of soft tyres available to them over the weekend.
Explained: F1 trials new qualifying format again in Monza (msn.com)
More messing about with qualifying
Providing that track is dry for the session:
In Q1 only the hard tyre will be available.
In Q2 only the medium tyre will be available.
In Q3 only the soft tyre will be available.
If a wet session is declared then the drivers and teams will have a free choice of tyre.
The intention of the 'Alternative Tyre Allocation' trial is to see if fewer tyres can be taken to Grand Prix weekends.
Under the trial, the number of dry tyre sets available to each car for the weekend is reduced from 13 to 11.
This amounts to 40 sets - or 160 tyres - being saved over the course of the weekend. If this was implemented at all 23 races this season, it would save 3,680 tyres.
Each driver will have three sets of hard tyres, four sets of medium tyres and four sets of soft tyres available to them over the weekend.
Explained: F1 trials new qualifying format again in Monza (msn.com)
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