Hill at suzuka too.
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Hill at suzuka too.
Perhaps getting rid of the inters so teams have to use the full wets
The problem is Pirelli have said, that the full wet is only good behind the SC, if that’s true is pathetic.
I know heathy and safety is better, but we have all seen cracking wet races, full wets used to work .
F1 cars need speed to generate down force, if you can't drive quickly then it's like driving on sheet ice. Pirelli have openly said their full wet doesn't do the job and shouldn't be used until they revise it till next year. So reality is that red flags will be more common place until F1 has full wets which work.
It took time but we got to an end result and made what tends to be a pretty dull GP interesting. Pretty confident we'll see Red Bull win every race this year.
Next weekend at Monza seems everyone's best chance to win vs Red Bull. Just a pure engine strength track.
Doubt it to be honest, their DRS will get them back to the front if they find themselves in any problems. Singapore feels like the only opportunity I can see on the remaining races.
Yes their DRS is insane, but we have seen last years that some teams take insane risks adjusting their car purely for that speed there, not the best car has won at Monza multiple times. Maybe a bit Copium, but I want someone of Lando/Piastri/Hamilton/Leclerc be on top at least once, they all deserve it for their own reasons
Better tyres?
Teams have Monza specific front and rear wings. However the RB is so bloody fast even without DRS that there is little chance it wont be a RB win.Yes their DRS is insane, but we have seen last years that some teams take insane risks adjusting their car purely for that speed there, not the best car has won at Monza multiple times. Maybe a bit Copium, but I want someone of Lando/Piastri/Hamilton/Leclerc be on top at least once, they all deserve it for their own reasons
Watching the highlights now.
Perez was epic for the first 4 laps
Perez was epic for the first 4 laps
Don’t see it to be honest, with DRS that RB is close to unbeatable, even with the track specific part.
I hope so 10 wins on the bounce would be insane
With Alonso’s luck, that might be the only way to stop Red Bull from winning.
Stop Max from winning you mean? Perez is totally off form or should I say the 2nd car is no way near the 1st.
Red Bull in general and that includes Max.
It’s Alonso’s luck. Every team he’s been on since he left for Ferrari has faced significant development/reliability issues that his driving can’t overcome.
Alonso's curse.
Makes a big difference to a driver and his performances when hes the no1 driver and car built around his characteristics.
And the Williams is actually pretty reliable car through tough conditions.
Hamilton seems convinced they were fast as Max, but they made tactical mistakes. Maybe the difference isn't that big anymore?
So unless some kind of mechanical failure, I assume Max will beat the number of wins in a row record next week with 10. Quite an incredible achievement and one I didn't think would be beaten when Vettel got it. While some of his wins have been effortless, I think this was one of his most impressive of the season so far. Dealt with a few things in this race, and still smashed it. Probably one the most (the most?) entertaining GPs of the season. Aside from the whole waiting for the restart thing. That's never fun.
Also, never get tired of seeing Alonso on the podium. Love the guy.
Also, never get tired of seeing Alonso on the podium. Love the guy.
You make your own luck to some extent. Alonso was exceptionally difficult to work with and an extremely bad team player, which made plenty of the top teams not want to take him on.
Also, part of the skill of a modern racing driver is being able to sniff out a team on the up. If you keep jumping ship and joining uncompetitive teams, you have to take some blame.
There is no proof of this.
Apart from Ron Dennis Alonso has never had a problem with anyone. Briatore, Domenicali, Zak Brown and others have all worked with him and haven't said anything bad about him. so difficult to work with that Renault hired him 3 times and McLaren hired him twice.
The British media and journalists succeeded in making him the villain after 2007 but protected Hamilton and Dennis even though they were part of the problems and because he dared to critisize Honda for making the worst engines.
you can’t trust lewis. he wants to be max so much that he’s been collecting all the other driver’s sweat and semen and dripping it into a rubber glove and then fecking it, pretending that it’s kelly, just so he’d know what it would feel like to be max.
problem with alonso is that he’s spanish and spends all his time throwing himself from the cockpit, pretending to be hurt, to try and con the ref. or sexually assaulting female drivers and pretending that they asked for it.
Lots of proof of alonso being a difficult character and not building a team around him. Its well known character flaw of alonso that any F1 fan can tell you.
Ferrari got rid if him because they got fed up. Mclaren got rid of him both times because they got fed up. Mercedes wouldnt hire him to replace roseberg, RedBull wouldnt hire him to partner max. Ferrari wouldnt have him back.
His options in the paddock are limited , henece the enstone team on three different occasions.
I wouldnt believe lewis on this occasion, depending on the downforce levels on the RB, its super DRS advantage is reduced. At dutch GP it was reduced because of high downforce nature of track. At monza i expect it will back to maximum again and the RBs will annihilate everyone on the long straights.
when running in the dry in FP, the Merc was pretty fast and up there, but Lewis is over egging the car , it is better than it was but they are still a way off and the RB DRS gives then even more of an advantage.
Maybe Lewis is toeing the party line, but he is not normally one to do that.
Yeah, it's really weird coming from him. Even if they are equal, I wouldn't think he would admit it.
First 10 min of race. Interesting insight of drivers and teams and how some of the teams got it wrong. Bottas was first one to call for inters and was ignored.
Lando wanted inters.
Race engineer: “We are faster than inter cars”
Aston: "Fernando, don't be too aggressive on the first lap with the rain"
Lando wanted inters.
Race engineer: “We are faster than inter cars”
Aston: "Fernando, don't be too aggressive on the first lap with the rain"
George Russell has urged F1 bosses to scrap the extreme wet tyres after branding them a 'complete waste of time' at last weekend's Dutch Grand Prix. The race at Zandvoort was delayed for around 40 minutes after a torrential downpour flooded the circuit before Max Verstappen registered his ninth straight victory.
All drivers were ordered to run the intermediate tyres when the race was restarted despite the extreme wet tyre being available for use. Russell has since called for the little-used compound to be ditched in favour of simply waiting for the conditions to improve if it is too dangerous to run intermediates.
"The intermediate choice was the right one," said Russell, who failed to finish the race after picking up a late puncture. "That was purely done because the pit lane's too narrow and they knew that everybody would be peeling in from extreme to the inters.
"That extreme tyre is a complete waste of time at the moment and I think it should just be parked. If the conditions are too wet for intermediates, they [should] enforce that we just have to wait until the conditions get better."
I agree with George about the Extreme wet being useless.
They used to work , seen some excellent races in torrential rain.
Get tyre manufactures to to make an extreme wet that works and not just behind the SC car, they have done before.
Why did they use in these races ?
Top 10 wet weather drives in Formula 1 (motorsport.com)
All drivers were ordered to run the intermediate tyres when the race was restarted despite the extreme wet tyre being available for use. Russell has since called for the little-used compound to be ditched in favour of simply waiting for the conditions to improve if it is too dangerous to run intermediates.
"The intermediate choice was the right one," said Russell, who failed to finish the race after picking up a late puncture. "That was purely done because the pit lane's too narrow and they knew that everybody would be peeling in from extreme to the inters.
"That extreme tyre is a complete waste of time at the moment and I think it should just be parked. If the conditions are too wet for intermediates, they [should] enforce that we just have to wait until the conditions get better."
I agree with George about the Extreme wet being useless.
They used to work , seen some excellent races in torrential rain.
Get tyre manufactures to to make an extreme wet that works and not just behind the SC car, they have done before.
Why did they use in these races ?
Top 10 wet weather drives in Formula 1 (motorsport.com)
Think the bigger issue is how much more spray these modern cars disperse behind them rather than the tyres themselves being ineffective - if it's wet enough to require them, the visibility is inherently so poor that racing isn't safe.
Thats a fair point.
Maybe I just remember things different, rain never used to affect races they way it does now
No interest in this now. Weird as still watched all the races under Schumacher/Vettel dominance. I think overall, with the shitty Americanisation, I'm just drifting from the sport.
They are working on that. The extreme wet rain guards for fronts and rears were tested earlier this season. But still need work. Takes about 20/30 mins to fit them. Basically they are a cover over the top of the tyrez to stop the spray from launching into the air.
I just watched the Senna documentary and the first thing they show is when they red flagged the Monaco GP due to rain (and politics tbf).