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F1 2023 Season
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Nik (@Rood) and Imran (@Annihilate Now!) discuss United's fantastic win away against Athletic Club in the semi-final of the Europa League.
They also pick out the positives of United's 4-3 loss away at Brentford, and Nik reviews a day out at Old Trafford watching Manchester United Women qualify for the Champions League.
Bullshit penalty for hamilton
he was side by side, f1 is an absolute clown show nowadays
One good thing about this is that if Oscar keeps beating Lando on a regular basis that Lando may now willingly want to be 2nd to Max instead.
Honestly. How ridiculous is that. Hamilton 5 sec time penalty IN THE WET.
I am borderline finished with F1 because the officials are fxxking the sport up. Just switched off.
I am borderline finished with F1 because the officials are fxxking the sport up. Just switched off.
Oscar really impressive. Doesn't look like a rookie at all.
Yep, perez is utterly useless and cant keep the car on the track and hamilton gets the pen. Masi must be back.
Disgusting penalty, feck this sport
Winning or losing hasn’t got much to do with it - you could interpret his statement as blaming the driver. Anyway, the cars were sufficiently close that Max was not an underdog. Whether it or the Merc was better is up for debate.
And one way or another it’s pretty irrelevant. Far more telling of greatness was the relentless drive of both drivers and how they were able to virtually make no mistakes. Max is obviously a great driver but talk of GOAT is just far too early. He’s in his prime or approaching it, Hamilton nearing the end of his career. Max has enough talent but lots still yet to prove to be compared to the elites who did it for longer. It may just be a case of time for Max, or he may not reach it. Who knows.
Totally agree with you.
Max wins by 6.5 second on inters on a wet track Its not a contest any more
Well done Piastri cracking race for 2nd.
Lewis 5 sec pen is just shocking, it was a racing incident nothing more, WTF were the stewards looking at.
Its not a contest any moreWell done Piastri cracking race for 2nd.
Lewis 5 sec pen is just shocking, it was a racing incident nothing more, WTF were the stewards looking at.
They really need to switch danny ric and perez around now. Perez is a dead man walking.
What's this world cup celebration in Alpine 
Ah, gotta love the French and stereotypes .
Ah, gotta love the French and stereotypes .I would have said exactly the same , it was a BS penaltyPerez gave him space on the inside, the whole track in fact, and Lewis just drove into the side of him, clearly caused a collision.
Wonder if there'd be so much throwing dummies out if that happened the other way around. Somehow I think not.
The fact you're the only one with that opinion says enough.Perez gave him space on the inside, the whole track in fact, and Lewis just drove into the side of him, clearly caused a collision.
Wonder if there'd be so much throwing dummies out if that happened the other way around. Somehow I think not.
I also thought I saw Hamilton turn into Perez slightly.
He is clearly a TROLL so I was not going to respond to a dim wit post.
You could argue it's a question of car control and Lewis lost it just enough. He did hit Perez and caused damage. I agree harsh but I can see the argument for.
Quite clearly a racing incident in Hamilton v Perez. It's wet guys.
But the big story is Oscar piastri. It's been obvious for a long time that he would be class in F1 and now he has a car to show it, expect big things from him.
But the big story is Oscar piastri. It's been obvious for a long time that he would be class in F1 and now he has a car to show it, expect big things from him.
They can't fortunately for Perez, Marko confirmed earlier today that his contract doesn't allow Red Bull to demote him to Alpha Tauri.
A 30 minute race takes 90 minutes, we have crashes, penalties, retirements, pit stops in a race that doesn't need pitstops and still...
VER #1.
Boring.
VER #1.
Boring.
One of the best cars I have seen in my time of watching the sport. Beyond dominant
Ah didnt know that. Thanks
They would pay him and agree to do it by mutual consent.A drive is better than no drive or not wanted especially when AT are going to use more RB parts next year. But Perez has sponsorship money so I don’t see it happening unless Perez turns into a lemon or starts crashing which costs money. It’s a next season thing IMO.
Not Perez's fault this time, but I can't help but think he is very close to the edge now.
Piastri is impressive. Could be future WDC contender.
Piastri is impressive. Could be future WDC contender.
You can only assume the stewards have some data or angles we don’t as that was very harsh on Hamilton it was close racing with no harm done at end of day. That said 5 secs is magnified in a sprint so it should be like a 3 second penalty.
He'll be in Red Bull till then end of his contract. Can't see any other changes to Red Bull at the moment especially when they're cleaning up with Verstappen.
Perez had a hole in the side of his car
Yes just heard Horner say that after the race, it wasn’t shown in the race.
And apparently the reason for retiring. But who knows with Horner.
I can see why he got the penalty now. I did think it was harsh and perhaps in a way it still is bc its hard to tell if he purposely steers into him or loses it due to track conditions but I assume the steward doc might explain how they saw it. It seems he just loses traction to me and overcorrects when you look at his hands.
Starting to lose track of the amount of times Hamilton has understeered into the rear half of a Red Bull haha.
Good day at the track today. Dry 80% of the time but rain just seems to keep perfectly aligning with the F1 sessions more than anything else.
Quali sessions have been the highlight of the weekend so far but the Sprint wasn fairly decent despite the farce with the safety car
Good day at the track today. Dry 80% of the time but rain just seems to keep perfectly aligning with the F1 sessions more than anything else.
Quali sessions have been the highlight of the weekend so far but the Sprint wasn fairly decent despite the farce with the safety car
On another day that could go down as a racing incident for me. Hamilton did understeer and sort of drift into Perez. It was close racing in wet conditions. I don't think think it's a catastrophically bad call, but if they decided it was a racing incident then you could have no problem with that.
Hmm...close one. I'd be inclined to go for racing incident just because I wanna see close racing like that. Close call either way.
Hmm...close one. I'd be inclined to go for racing incident just because I wanna see close racing like that. Close call either way.
I don't mean to rile people up over this because as I said above I can see this one both ways.
Having said that - understeering does seem like something Lewis does on a frequent basis when racing wheel to wheel -like other drivers have their tactics - but in this particular incident without the telemetry etc it's hard to tell if it was on purpose just purely based on the on-board. Penalties in sprint races probably should be more proportional to the length of the race though. Say 2 secs vs 5 for instance.
Thats an excellent point.
Hes also been given two penalty points on his licence.
Though hamilton isnt too fussed, thought it was a racing incident and quoted senna: "..if theres a gap and you dont go for it, you arent racing.."
Max had a better one (when asked about the spray from other cars) "...well just qualify first and then it isnt a problem..."
It’s the inconsistency that’s annoying for me. Plenty of times I’ve seen similar incidents not draw penalties. Brazil is a good example last year. It seems to be track to track.
Looking at the Hamilton incident, I can understand why that’s a penalty but I can also understand why it’s a racing incident.
Hamilton has not stuck to the apex but it’s a fast corner and frankly there’s many overtakes where cars don’t stick to the apex if overtaking on the inside. You always try and squeeze the guy outside of you. If you look closely, Perez himself tried to squeeze Hamilton as much as possible. He had more space outside but chose not to because he quite rightly wanted to maintain position. It’s a classic case of two drivers racing wheel to wheel trying to give each other nothing. And sometimes, it ends with a collision. So for me, it’s just racing. But I can also understand that presumably as the man making the overtake and just behind, it’s on Lewis to avoid the collision if you had to place blame.
It’s not as dramatic either way as some of the posters above are making out.
Looking at the Hamilton incident, I can understand why that’s a penalty but I can also understand why it’s a racing incident.
Hamilton has not stuck to the apex but it’s a fast corner and frankly there’s many overtakes where cars don’t stick to the apex if overtaking on the inside. You always try and squeeze the guy outside of you. If you look closely, Perez himself tried to squeeze Hamilton as much as possible. He had more space outside but chose not to because he quite rightly wanted to maintain position. It’s a classic case of two drivers racing wheel to wheel trying to give each other nothing. And sometimes, it ends with a collision. So for me, it’s just racing. But I can also understand that presumably as the man making the overtake and just behind, it’s on Lewis to avoid the collision if you had to place blame.
It’s not as dramatic either way as some of the posters above are making out.
I have watched that vid about 100 times now.
I still think the penalty is harsh and the 2 points on his licence is just has harsh, personal I think it’s a racing incident.
BUT
I can see where they are coming from, it does seem like Lewis turned in slightly. There has been another incident with Lewis being investigated, maybe they decided the 2 together warranted the pen and points
Seen plenty of incidents over the years similar with no penalties.
I still think the penalty is harsh and the 2 points on his licence is just has harsh, personal I think it’s a racing incident.
BUT
I can see where they are coming from, it does seem like Lewis turned in slightly. There has been another incident with Lewis being investigated, maybe they decided the 2 together warranted the pen and points
Seen plenty of incidents over the years similar with no penalties.