antsmithmk
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Terrible race today. So boring. Just like the season as a whole really.
the super bru discussion on here was more exciting than the race and i dont even do the super bru league thing.
I don’t like to compare drivers to the different generations but I can fully say he is a more complete and dominant driver than Schumacher and Senna. He almost never cracks under pressure.
This is unpopular opinion from me.
Agreed.The season forgetting Max, has been good, plenty of racing and good moves and the constructors going down to the last race , just a pity the Driver championship could not offer the same.
Fair play to Max the most dominant team ever.
Can Mercedes, Ferrari , McLaren A Martin, get closer to the RB in 2024, let’s hope so.
He can turn up to the track hungover not even try and still win comfortably.I don’t like to compare drivers to the different generations but I can fully say he is a more complete and dominant driver than Schumacher and Senna. He almost never cracks under pressure.
This is unpopular opinion from me.
Yeah I think it's the whole package for RB. Their strategy, pit stops, car and of course driver have all been sublime. Merc had the fastest car of this era by a long shot but they were also prone to errors much more than this RB team was. To minimize this season to "just the car" is doing a huge disservice to everything else they did well. They've had curve balls thrown at them in quite a few races this year and still managed to pull out on top.Cheers Checo for securing second in the championship for Mercedes. Hope RB give you a nice new 10 year contract
The best car of the current regulations, but not the best ever. That would probably be the 2020 or 2021 Mercedes if you look at lap records.
I don’t like to compare drivers to the different generations but I can fully say he is a more complete and dominant driver than Schumacher and Senna. He almost never cracks under pressure.
This is unpopular opinion from me.
He can turn up to the track hungover not even try and still win comfortably.
Has zero pressure because he knows he has by far the best car on the grid, with a teammate that somehow makes a dominant car look above average.
He is great but we can't even tell if he is driving well, because the other driver we can judge him by is awful.
Until he is actually in a competitive title fight again nothing he does impresses me.
Yeah the W11 was just ridiculousThe best car of the current regulations, but not the best ever. That would probably be the 2020 or 2021 Mercedes if you look at lap records.
And for 1/2 the McLaren has been arguably the joint second best… what’s your point?It’s impressive Alonso finished 4th but this post is so ridiculous. Completely ignores that for a good 1/3 or so of the season, the Aston was the second best car.
Alonso admitted to brake checking him after the race.Hamilton still living rent free in Alonso’s head.
The point is to say Alonso did extremely well to end 4th because the Aston was the 5th best car is a false narrative. The Aston was leagues ahead of all others except the RB early season. Sure the McLaren was excellent the second half, but it was clear the second half of the season was much more competitive between McLaren, Mercedes, and Ferrari. The Aston for a lot of the second half the season was worse. But, it wasn’t as easy for any of the other teams to pick up points to catch Alonso in the second half because of the increased competitiveness. I’m not knocking Alonso but it’s clearly understandable why I would expect him to finish 4th. He’s still had a fabulous season given his age. He’s still a fantastic driver.And for 1/2 the McLaren has been arguably the joint second best… what’s your point?
Obviously there’s more nuance to the debate but it’s ignorance to think Hamilton hasn’t lost a beat in wheel to wheel racing. And that’s perfectly fine and understandable given where he is in his career. Saying that doesn’t downplay his achievements.If it were that simple.
DId you just forget Mexico Gp where this car was just working and pushed Max to his limit? The car was just undrivable as soon as he started to push it to its limits on the last races of the season.Hamilton definitely doesn't have 'the dog' in him anymore that defined him in his early career. I think it's a mix of a few things, the farcical decision for Max, the shite car and age.
DId you just forget Mexico Gp where this car was just working and pushed Max to his limit? The car was just undrivable as soon as he started to push it to its limits on the last races of the season.
Two different things. I fully agree with you that he’s lost a step in that ability to be aggressive and decisive in wheel to wheel racing.Of course, he's still a world class driver. That doesn't mean he's not lost something which was one of his primary qualities during his peak. If they are in similar race cars next or the season after, I question whether Hamilton has the mettle in him anymore to dig deep and win over Max. There's no shame in that considering Max is in his peak and Hamilton is past his.
The mercedes is the most compromised car on the grid this season. Originally designed for slim side pods, had a mid season change of concept and its been running a frankenstein car ever since (the radiators are in the wrong place for example).Two different things. I fully agree with you that he’s lost a step in that ability to be aggressive and decisive in wheel to wheel racing.
But he’s still rapid and incredibly consistent. Given where he is in his career most likely Max does come out on top. But it’s different in this scenario than a car where you’re competing for 3-8th. When you’re in one of the two fastest cars it’s just about consistency and performing under pressure. I still think he can deliver in that regard.
I partly get that sentiment but if you can't at least somewhat appreciate what happened this season... I guess the true appreciation may not come til years later when we think back to how ludicrous this dominance was. Or heck for this one we may actually have Netflix do some of that work and remind people a lot of other things happened this year.Glad it's over. What a borefest this season was.
90´s were just awesome nothing like those races.I partly get that sentiment but if you can't at least somewhat appreciate what happened this season... I guess the true appreciation may not come til years later when we think back to how ludicrous this dominance was. Or heck for this one we may actually have Netflix do some of that work and remind people a lot of other things happened this year.
9/10 people ive spoken with who said something similar hadn't even watched a single complete race this year and just regurgitate terrible F1 tabloid headlines. I really wish people would take some time to watch documentaries about the history of this sport and gain some respect for everything that goes into it. Especially now in a time when every sense of creativity, reliability and safety has virtually been regulated to death. In fact, if people want to complain about those aspects I d say go ahead.
To me the 90s were peak F1 but I also know that's a lot of unhealthy nostalgia. Teams could virtually spend and creative design their way out of of a bag and safety and reliability were secondary. Do we want those times back? I honestly don't know. Seeing how toxic F1 social media is these days I'm very happy it didn't exist then because the sport now is squeeky clean in comparison. Its a sport that keeps evolving rather a footie which has largely remained the same and that can be both great and terrible depending on what side of the outcome your fav team or driver is on. Who knows, in 26 Alpine s celebrity investments may pay off and we ll all be moaning about the French making it boring.
Cheers Checo for securing second in the championship for Mercedes. Hope RB give you a nice new 10 year contract
The best car of the current regulations, but not the best ever. That would probably be the 2020 or 2021 Mercedes if you look at lap records.
I partly get that sentiment but if you can't at least somewhat appreciate what happened this season... I guess the true appreciation may not come til years later when we think back to how ludicrous this dominance was. Or heck for this one we may actually have Netflix do some of that work and remind people a lot of other things happened this year.
9/10 people ive spoken with who said something similar hadn't even watched a single complete race this year and just regurgitate terrible F1 tabloid headlines. I really wish people would take some time to watch documentaries about the history of this sport and gain some respect for everything that goes into it. Especially now in a time when every sense of creativity, reliability and safety has virtually been regulated to death. In fact, if people want to complain about those aspects I d say go ahead.
To me the 90s were peak F1 but I also know that's a lot of unhealthy nostalgia. Teams could virtually spend and creative design their way out of of a bag and safety and reliability were secondary. Do we want those times back? I honestly don't know. Seeing how toxic F1 social media is these days I'm very happy it didn't exist then because the sport now is squeeky clean in comparison. Its a sport that keeps evolving rather a footie which has largely remained the same and that can be both great and terrible depending on what side of the outcome your fav team or driver is on. Who knows, in 26 Alpine s celebrity investments may pay off and we ll all be moaning about the French making it boring.
Ive been watching F1 since the 80s and there has always been teams that get a lead on a new set of rules. Teams were generally able to spend to quickly catch up or the FIA would regulate, sometimes race to race, to slow an extraordinarily fast car down. With the cost cap and the overall incompetence of the stewards neither of those things are happening right now. Between Max's dominance and DRS we've got the dullest racing I can ever remember.
You can use qualifying records when the cars were light weight and obviously going flat out. Just for an example take Bahrain: Max's pole this year was 1:29.703, Lewis' in 2020 was 1:27.264. If Max rocked up to the 2020 GP in this year's car he'd be down in 16th nestled between the Alfa's of Giovinazzi and Raikkonen.It’s very hard to compare, given the amount of tanking he’s done. You could see when he needed to pull out a gap he could pop the engine mode up and pull out a second in a corner or two.
Agreed F1 is a mess. You cant seperate Max's achievements and general F1 as he and his team races within the rules set by F1.One has to seperate Max's achievements and F1's general development. It's not his fault he couldn't race in better times and he's hardly put a foot wrong in 2 years of racing now. He has the best car but so does his teammate... and it's a world of difference between them.
F1 general development is as poor as anyone could have predicted at liberty's takeover. We've had one championship worth it's salt in the past 7 years, and that year they bungled it so bad that the only people keen on remembering it are the ones who felt wronged. Everyone else just attempts to act as if that year didn't happen. DRS kills all race-craft around overtakes and the cost cap is detrimental to the sport, straight bizarre sometimes (Sainz). The people running the sport have never been as disrespectful towards every other stakeholder (drivers, teams, fans). I hope we some day find a worthy successor to what F1 used to be.
It felt like Christian Horner was posting in here during the turbo hybrid era.Sometimes I feel like Toto Wolf is posting in this thread.
Except for the 5 seasons it took for any team to catch up to Ferrari and the 7 it took to finally stop Mercedes.
There's too many races and too many sprint races which are a complete farce. Domination is part and parcel with F1.
Except for the 5 seasons it took for any team to catch up to Ferrari and the 7 it took to finally stop Mercedes.
And is still argue RB didn't even really dominate until the second half of 22. Had Ferrari not shot themselves in the foot consistently that would have ended much closer than it did.Yea but RB has been dominating for 2 seasons now. 2! That's a lot longer than 5 or 7 seasons and FIA should be ashamed of themselves for not changing the rules completely 3 races into the 2022 season to stop F1 from becoming a one horse race for the first time ever.
Hamilton had genuine competition from Rosberg till end of 2016.There were only probably two truly dominant seasons in that Ferrari reign with some true greats challenging them either side. They were just that good.
I don't see much different in what Mercedes did to what Max is doing to be honest.
Who has asked for the rules to be changed? No-one. Not in the paddock, nor on here as far as i can recall.Yea but RB has been dominating for 2 seasons now. 2! That's a lot longer than 5 or 7 seasons and FIA should be ashamed of themselves for not changing the rules completely 3 races into the 2022 season to stop F1 from becoming a one horse race for the first time ever.
I mean, you can just not watch few races you don't like.
I am enjoying watching F1 this often, and I'll definitely miss it during this winter break.
Theres a cost cap and testing is extremely limited. No one will bring a "mule". RB may sandbag and hide some new stuff, only cause they are so far ahead.And is still argue RB didn't even really dominate until the second half of 22. Had Ferrari not shot themselves in the foot consistently that would have ended much closer than it did.
On another note: though the driver lineups are set so no speculation there - I am *very* curious about what cars Merc and RB in particular will bring to testing. Or rather - the first race because at least one of those will bring a mule. Either one has the potential to bring something rather drastically different again. Merc bc they basically have to and have the power to do it, and RB because their windtunnels and development cap will largely be unlocked now. As has been joked about before - wouldn't surprise me if Newey finds a way to make the zero pod work, especially since the RB pods have continued to get smaller already.
Bring on the extremely fuzzy spy shots!!