It's the compression and then decompression of the chassis, so if you increase drag you get less decompression as more load is going through the suspension etc.
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It's the compression and then decompression of the chassis, so if you increase drag you get less decompression as more load is going through the suspension etc.
Leclerc beat Sainz in 14 of 21 races he started in.
Sainz grabbed big points when leclerc didn't start or retired.
We've had a few front runners over the years. Seeing a lot of 0s though. Perhaps everyone not updated yet?40th out of 11,300 teams in the F1 fantasy league
Thought I was doing amazingly
Some dude in our league is 1st
Oh yeah good point
This. There isnt anything wrong with the engine in terms of power. Aston Martin had to raise the ride height of the car and lost 3/4 of a second a lap in downforce. Other teams who were struggling with porposing did the same. That results in a lower top speed.
IF and its a big if the Mercedes engine was down on power compared to the RB or Ferarri engine, Mercedes would be allowed to upgrade the engine to bring it inline with the other engines. That is allowed by the rules.
Interesting totto said over a single lap on softs, they can match the RB and Ferrari for pace. But not further than that due to degradation of the tyre. Give it a few races and Mercedes will be up there with the leaders on race pace. He also said Mercedes are syff3ering from a parts shortage, which makes me think, there are more upgrades on the way but they arent ready yet.
Will be interesting to see if the ferrari engine map works as well at Saudi Arabia track.
Bigger concern for RB will be that they had three engine failures from the four cars runnig RB engines.
What about some toluene? Heard it gives a kick
It's also worth noting that they've spent a few weeks in Bahrain now. This could just be some teams acing the setup better, or some cars particularly working well in the hotter desert temperatures.
You might find the cars that work well in Bahrain and Saudi Arabia might not be so hot once the colder climate races start to happen.
It's strange how Mclaren looked so capable in Barcelona in colder temperatures but then the brakes set on fire at Bahrain etc.
It'll be interesting to see how it all plays out, but a decent first race that's for sure. The Leclerc/Verstappen battle was great.
You might find the cars that work well in Bahrain and Saudi Arabia might not be so hot once the colder climate races start to happen.
It's strange how Mclaren looked so capable in Barcelona in colder temperatures but then the brakes set on fire at Bahrain etc.
It'll be interesting to see how it all plays out, but a decent first race that's for sure. The Leclerc/Verstappen battle was great.
It's not going to be uniform, some engines will perform better than others. Engines need to run hotter which changes the viscosity of the oil, so wear goes up, and there is increased fuel residue (could have been a factor with the Red Bull failures). All those things are a balance that Mercedes appear to have gotten a bit wrong though I'm not sure how much of their speed problems actually come from having to run the car too high rather than the engine. Anyway, the goal was to have a fairly even performance across the engine manufacturers, which leads on to the next point...
It's not completely frozen. There are certain areas especially around fuel where manufacturers can make updates, and the organisers left themselves a get out of jail free card to allow any kind of development if one engine is way behind the others.
It was impressive, though I did think he made some odd tactical decisions. I think he could have potentially held off Leclerc if overtook down the straight rather than dive bombing at turn 1. It made it pretty easy for Leclerc to overtake again down the straight both times.
You will get an honorable mention at some point don't worry
But I've enjoyed the last 2 pages here, got about 3 more to go.
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It's worth remembering that this Merc engine has been designed specifically for the needs of the chassis and as we've seen that's a very unusual design this year. That in itself may mean that performance comes on more than normal when they learn more about its weight distribution and how to get the most of its design.
Mercedes have already commented on this "We might want to rearrange the installation slightly or change the PU layout to get more flexibility in those lap time sensitive areas"
Mercedes have already commented on this "We might want to rearrange the installation slightly or change the PU layout to get more flexibility in those lap time sensitive areas"
Therein lies your problem, its all piss.
On a serious note though...with Ferrari on the up and up, there will be even more piss to go around.
Release the santi
That's so harsh on toilets.
Agreed. I thought after Leclerc did it the first time he'd just get close down the start straight, keep behind him for the 2nd DRS point and sail off into the sunset.
You have to say that was a tactical mistake allowing Leclerc to do him twice.
Max was quite erratic wasn't he. Especially with that late breaking into T1 when he was carrying so much overspeed, braked way too late and messed up his tyres. And his positioning on the restart was so bizarre for a driver who's so tactically aware.
I actually hope they get rid of DRS if the cars are easier to follow, and based off Bahrain it looks like they are. I want to see the best drivers using skill to close the gap enough to slipstream and overtake, not just sit somewhere near and press a boost button to sail past.
It's tricky because the cars accelerate so well and brake so late now, passing safely can be very difficult.
You've pretty much got to be alongside somebody coming into the braking zone. Especially with the lack of vision they have on current cars too.
I don't think the DRS worked that strongly this weekend, only really Verstappen came from a long way back and used all his battery power. Leclerc then countered using his own on the next straight.
I think without it we'd be getting a lot more stalemates in races personally. I'd rather have way more overtaking than non possible at all.
The more tech and barriers the FIA introduce each year the more sterile it becomes for the front, mid and rear portions during the race. It would almost be better to return to no tech, a huge engine, no safety devices, and a big petrol tank behind the driver and let's see who can brake last and hardest.
Unfortunately I think those days are gone. Safety is paramount now and the cars are only getting bigger and heavier.
The only way that could happen is slow them down, but the there's plenty of other formulas for that.
I personally enjoy watching the GP2 support series - slower cars but smaller and able to have some fantastic battles. Cars are also identical with only setup changes.
Yes, it was wierd that max fell for the same routine 3 times on consecutive laps. Thats where his lack of patience let him down. Someone like Alonso or Hamilton would have waited for the 2nd drs zone and made sure they were really close to the car infront going into turn 1, not overtaking them. Then the run up to turn 3 would have got the move done.
On a sidenote, i like the fact that the tyre blankets are 20 degrees cooler this year. Hopefully fia stick to their plan to ban tyre blankets in next few years as that would then make the outlap of a stop perilous and really interesting.
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Even more reason why Mercedes should have been able to manage the fuel change due to their association with Petronas fuel and oil.
Blending a synthetic oil to cope with higher temperatures should not be much of a problem.
I used to work on military gas turbine engines where the oil scavenge temperature was only just below the temperature for ignition (185C+). And bearings were significantly higher loaded and ran significant quicker than those of the current F1 V6. E10 fuel is hardly brand new to ICE design. Especially organisation like Mercedes Benz.
Max often tries that tactic. To try and intimidate the leader into going before they want to. But Leclerc was far too capable to be affected by that. And made an excellent restart. So it backfired.
Hope people don't think I am being too hard on Max. But if they do, tough sh1t.
Shell and Ferrari have just as close an association as Petronas have to Mercedes, and a lot more experience in other motorsport to add to that. It's not a yes/no answer to using E10 fuel, it's fine margins and obviously Mercedes didn't do as good as job as the others.
Seems kind of obvious then that they should know what the engine should or could be doing. The fact that none of the merc engines did particularly well means there's room for improvement if they know what they are doing or they don't think the engine will survive?
Yep, he's basically made two wrong decisions/mistakes in his only two chances to win the race.
Mark Hughes article on Sky f1 website covered this i.e Mercedes engines seemingly lack of power. Conclusion was that the powertrain is fine and not down on power. The porposing issue is skewing the data. Basically the teams using Mercedes powertrains happen to have porposing issues from their own car designs. They lift the ride height of the car as a temporary measure to counteract the porposing but that reduces downforce and increases drag therefore slowing the car down.
Will take a few more races for teams to resolve the porposing issues to be sure. The porposing is causing big issues for Mercedes themselves. Russell said they are losing 50% on the straights and 50% on corners due to porposing. If they can resolve this, and get the car on the track to match the simulations, they will have a formidable car again.
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Could potentially be aero setup. Or could be engine needs upgrades.
I guess it's possible they focused alot much on cooling (no sidepods). And now need to tweak to get the power up.
All will be revealed in the next few races. I imagine at least 2-3 races before we start to see potential improvement.
Does anyone know if these new regulations with the focus on ground effect are more suited to Ferrari?
For example, do Ferrari already have sports cars or race cars which exploit ground effect? How does that compare with Mercedes history of building ground effect cars?
For example, do Ferrari already have sports cars or race cars which exploit ground effect? How does that compare with Mercedes history of building ground effect cars?
Nobody really does it, only a few road cars have had minor ground effects in the past. It's hard because it needs big tunnels under the car which take up space and it's been banned in most motorsport for years so development wasnt there. Ferrari has its own wind tunnel right at the front gate though.
It’s easy for casual F1 fans to forget what it’s like when significant regulation changes come in, what it means for F1 teams. We are so used to stable rules and therefore gains year on year tend to be on specific areas and enhancing what’s already there. This is different. We could see cars move around in the field significantly as the season progresses as teams design new things and learn the impact of engineering decisions on their car through practice.
In previous years the cars who were competitive in race 1 would and be expected to remain competitive all year. But this year, teams will move significantly as they learn car set up, as they develop upgrades. The engine rules and budget cap may influence that extent but I still think teams are far from truly unlocking their cars.
The Mercedes’ engine point is fascinating. But I don’t think we will know if it’s really a true engine performance issue until later this season. Can only speculate.
McLaren are probably on the phone to Gordon Murray to get him back in the team.
To be fair, there may not be any left in F1 but there's a few more recent racing series using ground effect like Group C.
That’s called MotoGP my friend and it’s quality of racing shits on F1
Not really true.
Both Rory Byrne (Ferrari Consultant - Goat car designer), Adrian Newey and I’m sure there is a few others have been around ground affect cars since they were junior engineers.
Adrian has also been involved with developing ground affect cars for video games (which might seem silly but it’s effectively what the cad models are until they get turned into real life examples).
Plus all these guys have been attempting to simulate it for years as much as they can under the regs with the underfloor of the car. Obviously that’s been very difficult but they know their stuff. I would say their understanding now of how it works far exceeds that from the early 80’s.
Oh yeah. Thanks.
I wouldn't be opposed to a change where F1 supply the engines to all cars. Each team still has to be responsible for their own aero, car design etc so we can see innovations in design but no more 'this team has a better engine so the next 20 races are completely pointless' scenarios. We'd see the actual best drivers, and those capitalizing on small advantages rather than just running away with it because they had loads of money. Will never happen, mind.
Not sure I could see merc or ferrari putting somebody else's engine in their car
Just watch Formula 2, that will give you what you're after in terms of driver ability being the difference.
Exactly, I dont get why people want to change what F1 is, when there is usually at least one series that has the exact rules they want.
Me either, as I said it will never happen but it would at least address the issue that people complain about.
That's not a very good argument for anything. There are many reasons why changes are made to all kinds of sports including introducing aspects that exist in other sports, usually because it improves the sport in some regard. But either way I didn't say I wanted to change it, I said I wouldn't be opposed to it if it happened.