F1 2022 Season

Zarlak said:
I wouldn't be opposed to a change where F1 supply the engines to all cars. Each team still has to be responsible for their own aero, car design etc so we can see innovations in design but no more 'this team has a better engine so the next 20 races are completely pointless' scenarios. We'd see the actual best drivers, and those capitalizing on small advantages rather than just running away with it because they had loads of money. Will never happen, mind.
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There is a cost cap now.
 
sglowrider said:
I remember him bitching about the massive budgets of the Mercs and Ferraris in the past. :rolleyes:
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The budget probably helps Ferrari as they actually have to work on getting the car right instead of blowing it on all sorts of stupid shit after all they did spend nearly double what RB and the mercs did
 
christy87 said:
The budget probably helps Ferrari as they actually have to work on getting the car right instead of blowing it on all sorts of stupid shit after all they did spend nearly double what RB and the mercs did
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True. Did they equalise the TV money too where Ferrari was getting a disproportionate share of the earnings?
 
A nice display of the porpoise effect.

skip to 3/4 of the video, you don’t need to understand it.

 
Zarlak said:
Me either, as I said it will never happen but it would at least address the issue that people complain about.



That's not a very good argument for anything. There are many reasons why changes are made to all kinds of sports including introducing aspects that exist in other sports, usually because it improves the sport in some regard. But either way I didn't say I wanted to change it, I said I wouldn't be opposed to it if it happened.
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What you suggested (not opposed to) happening goes against the essence of F1 as an engineering / drivers competition though. So that's not just a "change".
 
dinostar77 said:
On a sidenote, i like the fact that the tyre blankets are 20 degrees cooler this year. Hopefully fia stick to their plan to ban tyre blankets in next few years as that would then make the outlap of a stop perilous and really interesting.
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Are the maufacturers going to change the compounds as some seem really hard to "switch on" and im not sure how good for rcing (or safe) it would be if somebody was dropping into traffic and being several seconds a lap slower for a couple of laps?

will probably go a long way to eliminating the undercut and may actually bring an ovecut into play for those with better tyre management

I think F2 hs no tyre covers but I suspect there is less energy put through the tyres in racing so they naturally operate at a lower temp?
 
I just cant believe how bad McLaren are. How are Haas and Alfa surpassing you!?
 
Gringo said:
I just cant believe how bad McLaren are. How are Haas and Alfa surpassing you!?
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I think mclaren suffered by having to compromise their Aero package to provide extra brake cooling or there was no way they could complete the GP... that sounds like it should be fixable in a better way fairly quickly (not sure if its realistic by the next GP?)

I do remember though that they had a slightly unusual suspension set up and when sked James Key said "either we have it really really right, or..."

so yeah will be interesting to see how big a jump the brakes being fixed gives them
 
sun_tzu said:
Are the maufacturers going to change the compounds as some seem really hard to "switch on" and im not sure how good for rcing (or safe) it would be if somebody was dropping into traffic and being several seconds a lap slower for a couple of laps?

will probably go a long way to eliminating the undercut and may actually bring an ovecut into play for those with better tyre management

I think F2 hs no tyre covers but I suspect there is less energy put through the tyres in racing so they naturally operate at a lower temp?
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The "Hard" used this weekend gone was at the extreme end of the scale and at bahrain just seemed too difficult to switch on into the right operating window. I think pirelli will switch down the scale for the next GP, and the Medium will become the Hard for that race.

Maybe after a few races they will revisit the compound for the full on Hard tyre if it literally is unusable?

Good point about the compounds and the lack of tyre blankets. Not sure how they would have a tyre that would heat up quickly from cold and then settle backdown again without overheating and blistering.
 
sun_tzu said:
I think mclaren suffered by having to compromise their Aero package to provide extra brake cooling or there was no way they could complete the GP... that sounds like it should be fixable in a better way fairly quickly (not sure if its realistic by the next GP?)

I do remember though that they had a slightly unusual suspension set up and when sked James Key said "either we have it really really right, or..."

so yeah will be interesting to see how big a jump the brakes being fixed gives them
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Lando told sky today that they are lacking overall downforce, front and rear. Could be like other teams they need time to unlock the potential of the car. The revised front brake assmebly that arrives in a few weeks time should definitely help.

There is an idea floating around that Mercedes have been running their works engine and advised their customers, to run a detuned engine map as they were being cautious about the e10 fuel towards the end of the gp, as it was a unknown. Totto was quoted as saying they will change the engine map for saudi arabia. So maybe that will help mclaren as well.

Though the high speed nature of the saudi track and their brake issues makes me think they will be bringing up the rear again.
 
Ferrari fixed the purpoising issue they had in testing along with several other teams reducing it's impact whilst being competitive, I clearly have no idea on the complexities but expect the Merc teams currently having problems to fix it by the European races which I think is the fourth race in.
 
dinostar77 said:
Lando told sky today that they are lacking overall downforce, front and rear. Could be like other teams they need time to unlock the potential of the car. The revised front brake assmebly that arrives in a few weeks time should definitely help.

There is an idea floating around that Mercedes have been running their works engine and advised their customers, to run a detuned engine map as they were being cautious about the e10 fuel towards the end of the gp, as it was a unknown. Totto was quoted as saying they will change the engine map for saudi arabia. So maybe that will help mclaren as well.

Though the high speed nature of the saudi track and their brake issues makes me think they will be bringing up the rear again.
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yes if they have to run the compromised brakes they will be at the back... if they dont they will be on fire (unless they can get new parts made and shipped in the next couple of days - which my gut feel is that's unlikely)
 
Red Bull are saying that the fuel pump was to blame ro the double DNF , if this is correct and I dont see any reason for it not to be , could be a problem for all teams.
The fuel pump is a standard part supplied to all teams by the FIA and Magneti Marelli.
 
pauldyson1uk said:
Red Bull are saying that the fuel pump was to blame ro the double DNF , if this is correct and I dont see any reason for it not to be , could be a problem for all teams.
The fuel pump is a standard part supplied to all teams by the FIA and Magneti Marelli.
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antsmithmk said:
Red Bull are saying it is not the fuel pump.

https://www.gpblog.com/en/news/1067...-makes-clear-fuel-pump-was-not-the-cause.html
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probably a vape lock due to the car running too hot is wht they said on the race podcast

https://the-race.com/formula-1/mark-hughes-explains-the-roots-of-red-bulls-defeat/

Fuel cavitation tends to occur as the last dregs of fuel are being pumped around near-empty tanks. As can be imaged, the fuel is heavily sloshed around because of the loads being fed into the car and no matter how well-designed the tank’s baffling system, the temperature of the fuel increases when this occurs.

At a certain point of temperature the fuel begins vaporise and there will be a vapour lock in the pump, the fuel pressure dives and the pump is briefly pumping fresh air. The sudden load changes as the system pressurises and depressurises (together with the excess heat inside the pump from the vaporising fuel) will tend to damage the pumps and eventually they can no longer feed fuel to the engine.

The E10 fuel introduced this year runs at a higher temperature than the full fossil fuel previously used and so the cavitation threshold has changed. Only those teams with enough preparation time to do full race simulations in testing, including running the tanks almost dry, found this out.
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Can't they recreate the issue in FP1 ? Run low on fuel and see what happens.
 
ZIDANE said:
Ferrari fixed the purpoising issue they had in testing along with several other teams reducing it's impact whilst being competitive, I clearly have no idea on the complexities but expect the Merc teams currently having problems to fix it by the European races which I think is the fourth race in.
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Yes someone here (or perhaps it was in the F1 media) mentioned that is unlikely we will see too much change until the European circuit. But who knows!
 
dinostar77 said:
Yes, it was wierd that max fell for the same routine 3 times on consecutive laps. Thats where his lack of patience let him down. Someone like Alonso or Hamilton would have waited for the 2nd drs zone and made sure they were really close to the car infront going into turn 1, not overtaking them. Then the run up to turn 3 would have got the move done.

On a sidenote, i like the fact that the tyre blankets are 20 degrees cooler this year. Hopefully fia stick to their plan to ban tyre blankets in next few years as that would then make the outlap of a stop perilous and really interesting.
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I'm hearing that a lot of the drivers want in house saunas for pre and post race relaxation:nervous:
 
Gringo said:
Can't they recreate the issue in FP1 ? Run low on fuel and see what happens.
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The best theory so far is that the car was very hot already when the safety car came out and that may of been the catalyst for the issue with the e10 fuel. If RB do know what the issue, they may not want to share that with rivals, incase there is a weakness that rivals can pounce on while RB go about rectifying it.

Hard to replicate in practise, but will be interesting to see if RB turn down the engine or will try to avoid running in the hot air of other cars for too long.
 
dinostar77 said:
The "Hard" used this weekend gone was at the extreme end of the scale and at bahrain just seemed too difficult to switch on into the right operating window. I think pirelli will switch down the scale for the next GP, and the Medium will become the Hard for that race.

Maybe after a few races they will revisit the compound for the full on Hard tyre if it literally is unusable?

Good point about the compounds and the lack of tyre blankets. Not sure how they would have a tyre that would heat up quickly from cold and then settle backdown again without overheating and blistering.
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The Firestarter said:
What you suggested (not opposed to) happening goes against the essence of F1 as an engineering / drivers competition though. So that's not just a "change".
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I'm not dying on this hill or married to the idea but just to point out that no it doesn't, that would be if they were all given the same stock car to race. The engineering aspect would come from the other 99% of the car. Half the teams don't develop their own engines anyway so are already by your definition going against the essence of F1 as an engineering competition.
 
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Zarlak said:
I'm not dying on this hill or married to the idea but just to point out that no it doesn't, that would be if they were all given the same stock car to race. The engineering aspect would come from the other 99% of the car. Half the teams don't develop their own engines anyway so are already by your definition going against the essence of F1 as an engineering competition.
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But they are not prohibited from developing it. Its just too expensive for the average team to do it.
 
@Zarlak is getting a lot of stick for his concept but i think he’s being misunderstood. all he is say is that he wishes that all the cars were exactly the same, and that there was only one driver on the grid who takes it in turns to drive the different cars and see which one gets the fastest time around the track.
 
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