F1 2022 Season

11101 said:
Nobody really does it, only a few road cars have had minor ground effects in the past. It's hard because it needs big tunnels under the car which take up space and it's been banned in most motorsport for years so development wasnt there. Ferrari has its own wind tunnel right at the front gate though.
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Cheers. Interesting.

Mercedes need to find the guy who invented this!
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lun-class_ekranoplan

Edit: actually he died in 1980 so they need a new approach!

rpitroda said:
It’s easy for casual F1 fans to forget what it’s like when significant regulation changes come in, what it means for F1 teams. We are so used to stable rules and therefore gains year on year tend to be on specific areas and enhancing what’s already there. This is different. We could see cars move around in the field significantly as the season progresses as teams design new things and learn the impact of engineering decisions on their car through practice.

In previous years the cars who were competitive in race 1 would and be expected to remain competitive all year. But this year, teams will move significantly as they learn car set up, as they develop upgrades. The engine rules and budget cap may influence that extent but I still think teams are far from truly unlocking their cars.

The Mercedes’ engine point is fascinating. But I don’t think we will know if it’s really a true engine performance issue until later this season. Can only speculate.
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Massive change. Reminds me of when Lewis first went to Mercedes. No one knew how competive they would be. It was assumed Mclaren would be a stronger team. It was a risky move that really paid off for him in the end.
 
The Firestarter said:
But they are not prohibited from developing it. Its just too expensive for the average team to do it.
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Irrelevant, if they're not doing it for whatever reason then the end result is that half of the paddock are already doing what I threw out there in using an engine supplied to them - the engine just says 'Ferrari' and not 'FIA'. It would presumably also free up funds for the smaller teams to then pursue innovation with the car itself in terms of aero etc.

rimaldo said:
@Zarlak is getting a lot of stick for his concept but i think he’s being misunderstood. all he is say is that he wishes that all the cars were exactly the same, and that there was only one driver on the grid who takes it in turns to drive the different cars and see which one gets the fastest time around the track.
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:lol: Piss off.

I do hope McLaren can sort themselves out, was really disappointing to watch that race. Also I picked Lando and McLaren as my team in all my fantasy leagues so they owe me points.
 
mariachi-19 said:
Gordon Murray hasn’t worked at McLaren in nearly two decades. Further, moveable aero devices such as fans are strictly prohibited…
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That and Gordon's fan is little more than a gimmick anyway from what I've heard.
 
Ferrari apparently ran the power unit in a conservative mode as they don’t yet know the limits of the engine yet and will start upping the levels of power after the SA GP.

also mazapin might not be the worst driver ever one of these lads managed to flip a car while getting toed back to the pits and got hit by a race marshals car at another race

 
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mariachi-19 said:
Gordon Murray hasn’t worked at McLaren in nearly two decades. Further, moveable aero devices such as fans are strictly prohibited…
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The point was really that engineers who have worked with ground effect are still around and have continued working with it since F1 banned them. Murray worked on F1 ground effect cars from 1978 and had a fan in a Brabham for one race over his entire F1 career.

altodevil said:
Supposedly Spa might be getting dropped
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That would be a huge shame, it's my favourite track. They've also spent a load of money on upgrades and redesigns in the last couple of years.
 
altodevil said:
Supposedly Spa might be getting dropped
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sad if it is, I like it, the mighty Eau Rouge, one of motor racing's most famous pieces of asphalt.
Seen some cracking races, seen some bad, lets forget about 2021!!
Also the scene of some horrendous crashes, 1998 being one of the worst and the W series crash last year.
How nobody was killed is sheer luck
 
Weren’t they also going to remodel that corner?

It would be stupid to drop it simply because of last years situation. It’s a classic.
 
Eau Rouge has been neutered it's Raidillion that's dangerous now because Eau Rouge is full throttle and then you come over the crest at high speed without seeing anything that might have happened to the cars in front of you.

But if it gets dropped that will have $ reasons not safety reasons.
 
mariachi-19 said:
Gordon Murray hasn’t worked at McLaren in nearly two decades. Further, moveable aero devices such as fans are strictly prohibited…
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To an aerodynamic engineer, particularly with all the modern computational techniques and a wind tunnel with rolling road, there is probably very little of significance from the previous car designs.

The clever bit is in being able to make everything work at its optimum, taking account of the budget cap.
Everything has to work in unison with everything else.
To get it right, you are probably on a knife edge. And it remains to be seen how Ferrari for example get on with all of the challenges that the F1 season will throw up.
 
I would hate if they got rid of Spa. Best track for me, and I'm sure many others. That can't happen.
 
where has the Spa rumor come from, found this from December.


Is Spa being changed?


As part of an upgrade that is aimed at improving safety, and homologating the circuit for motorbikes, a major revamp is underway. The construction work, which began on November 15, is set to cost the venue around 80 million Euros, but should help secure its long term future for top categories including F1
 
There's no chance Spa gets dropped :lol:

pauldyson1uk said:
where has the Spa rumor come from, found this from December.


Is Spa being changed?
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Yes they've changed Eau Rouge to be more of a corner so that you can't go full speed up the hill.

It's a shame, but unfortunately it was just becoming too dangerous with the wall spitting cars back into cars doing 160mph+ head on
 
pauldyson1uk said:
where has the Spa rumor come from, found this from December.


Is Spa being changed?


As part of an upgrade that is aimed at improving safety, and homologating the circuit for motorbikes, a major revamp is underway. The construction work, which began on November 15, is set to cost the venue around 80 million Euros, but should help secure its long term future for top categories including F1
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Tracks for bikes usually have much larger run offs. For example, there's zero chance Moto GP race on existing spa with how Eau Rouge is because the barriers are too close to the track. Especially on exit of the right hand part of the section.
 
Spa will get renewed, they have spent a fortune on improving track safety recently. Its an iconic circuit that is part of f1 history. The renewal should hopefully be a multi year deal and i guess will be done and dusted before this years f1 gp at spa.

Rather they got rid of monaco.
 
why race on a crumbly old belgian track where only historic human rights violations may have occurred when you could be racing on a brand new arabian super track with a shit layout but breath-taking hospitality facilities? have you tried the hospitality in belgium? you can really tell the waiters are being paid to be there rather than forced to be there. my cock doesn’t twinge for happy workers.
 
Spa is one of my fav race tracks. Would love to go there someday. It wont get dropped anytime soon. I'd rather add a race in Germany than added Las Vegas or Miami. 23 race is already too much i think, now i've seen report they want to expand to 25. :wenger:
 
F1 does the same thing over and over... Threatens tracks that they will be dropped until they take down their trousers and accept the rise and new contract imposed upon them. How many times has Silverstone been in the same position?!
 
dinostar77 said:
Spa will get renewed, they have spent a fortune on improving track safety recently. Its an iconic circuit that is part of f1 history. The renewal should hopefully be a multi year deal and i guess will be done and dusted before this years f1 gp at spa.

Rather they got rid of monaco.
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I don't much like Monaco either (although having one street circuit is cool, and then rather Monaco than one of the new ones), but if we're talking about an 'iconic circuit that is part of F1 history', I'd expect Spa to disappear before Monaco...
 
dinostar77 said:
Spa will get renewed, they have spent a fortune on improving track safety recently. Its an iconic circuit that is part of f1 history. The renewal should hopefully be a multi year deal and i guess will be done and dusted before this years f1 gp at spa.

Rather they got rid of monaco.
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Will never happen, Monaco is F1, it is the blue ribbon race of the season.
Steeped in history, home track for many F1 drivers.
Part of The Triple Crown of Motorsport.
I agree the track is poor and most races are not that good , but there is to much history and yes money involved to be dropped.
 
pauldyson1uk said:
Will never happen, Monaco is F1, it is the blue ribbon race of the season.
Steeped in history, home track for many F1 drivers.
Part of The Triple Crown of Motorsport.
I agree the track is poor and most races are not that good , but there is to much history and yes money involved to be dropped.
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Could F1 just not pay ferrari extra money for being ferrari and use the cash to buy some land / buildings around the track and redevelop to improve some corners with overtaking opportunities?
 
sun_tzu said:
Could F1 just not pay ferrari extra money for being ferrari and use the cash to buy some land / buildings around the track and redevelop to improve some corners with overtaking opportunities?
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There are plans for the principality to reclaim some land from the sea right where the corner is to the tunnel. No idea how much land or if it would be enough to help change the track slightly, but even if that happened, im sure there would be many voices of influence wanting it to stay in its current, not fit for modern day f1 layout.

I totally get its historic value, its just that its so bloody boring to watch. I think personally its the one race of the season where they should have to do 2 mandatory pitstops and run all three tyre compounds for that race weekend. Anything to add some edge to a snoozefest of a race.
 
pauldyson1uk said:
sad if it is, I like it, the mighty Eau Rouge, one of motor racing's most famous pieces of asphalt.
Seen some cracking races, seen some bad, lets forget about 2021!!
Also the scene of some horrendous crashes, 1998 being one of the worst and the W series crash last year.
How nobody was killed is sheer luck
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I love Spa. Would be a big historic loss.

Why would they drop it?
 
Fluctuation0161 said:
I love Spa. Would be a big historic loss.

Why would they drop it?
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They won’t.

Once they sort the walls around Raidillon (and to a lesser extent Eau Rouge) to prevent cars being spat back onto the track in the case of a crash it should be fine.

We did Spa in 2019 when Hubert was tragically killed; the place is incredible and a must visit for any fan who is able to do the trip, but the safety changes are definitely overdue and won’t impact the circuit itself.
 
I dont think Spa will be dropped , to be honest I have no idea where this started.
A few tweeks here and there, which they are doing or have already been done , will improve safety.

Looks like Seb could miss this week Saudi GP , he is still to give a negative COVID test as yet, not sure what Saudi entry rules are.
 
pauldyson1uk said:
I dont think Spa will be dropped , to be honest I have no idea where this started.
A few tweeks here and there, which they are doing or have already been done , will improve safety.

Looks like Seb could miss this week Saudi GP , he is still to give a negative COVID test as yet, not sure what Saudi entry rules are.
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With the Aston looking like a back marker it's not really a big deal anyway. Probably better to let Seb recover and give the Hulk another go.

The Jeddah track really isn't one you want to be driving at less than 100% either.
 
Adam-Utd said:
With the Aston looking like a back marker it's not really a big deal anyway. Probably better to let Seb recover and give the Hulk another go.

The Jeddah track really isn't one you want to be driving at less than 100% either.
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my thoughts also, still to be giving positive test, it must have taken it out of him.
Eevn is clear, might be better to get him fit for Australia 10th April.
 
Adam-Utd said:
With the Aston looking like a back marker it's not really a big deal anyway. Probably better to let Seb recover and give the Hulk another go.

The Jeddah track really isn't one you want to be driving at less than 100% either.
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I wouldn't write them off yet. Their chief designer said that the car on track is completely different to the one in the wind tunnel. Once they resolve the porposing issues they can try to get the wind tunnel car and track to correlate. They think the car has alot of potential.
 
dinostar77 said:
I wouldn't write them off yet. Their chief designer said that the car on track is completely different to the one in the wind tunnel. Once they resolve the porposing issues they can try to get the wind tunnel car and track to correlate. They think the car has alot of potential.
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I took that to imply they had a big aero upgrade package they were working on that would come in a few GPs (presumably when they get to Europe) - not that they expected much more from Jeddah
 
Was it the Jeddah track that had several safety car moments last year?
 
rimaldo said:
i was wondering how being champion would effect verstappen. for some, reaching the top of the mountain just means you’ve got to reach the top of the next one again. for others, once you reach the summit it’s all downhill from there. i was eager to see whether verstappen would be a hamilton or a rosberg. not even finishing in the top 10 of his first race as champion kind of confirms that already. at least moyes finished 7th.
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Good one, genuinely laughed.

Couldn't post more but brilliant points for Mercedes. But all in all, what a season for Ferrari this could turn out to be.
 
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