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F1 2022 Season
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Well some of us are just generally really into cars or motorsport. Personally I’ve heavily modified my car, picking up a lot of DIY skills and knowledge along the way, and I Autocross and track fairly regularly. F1 is obviously a billion miles away from that but it does give you a decent understanding/appreciation of some of the engineering.
The other big thing is that a lot of people, myself included, are paraphrasing things we’ve heard or read elsewhere - from truly knowledgeable people - just so we can look smarter.
To be honest it’s 90% the latter.
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Not all sports fan bases are as thick as footballs.
It comes from just having an interest in the sport, you pick up stuff like this. It's no different really to tactics etc in football.
But no one was sat at home going "I bet its the bloody fuel pump Jane" before red bull or commentary said it.
A huge fuss about nothing. It is supposed to be the same as the standard E10 petrol you get from a petrol station. The 10 refers to 10% bio fuel.
Just out of interest does yesterday count as a grand slam for le clerc? Pole, win, fastest lap, led every lap (I think?).
Yep, Ferrari's first since 2010.
Although maybe not the most enthralling race ever, I enjoyed F1's return. There are some great stories emerging from that first weekend, and with the next GP being next week it will be interesting to see if any teams can make big improvements in such a short space of time. Good to see Ferrari score a 1-2, I like both their drivers and if they can maintain performance they should be there or there abouts. Merc got a gift with both RB's retiring. McLaren have to get themselves sorted and quickly. Delighted for Haas and Gunther Steiner!
Apparently perez led a lap so not quite a grand slam but still a very strong race from them.
It's a bit more than that. Because the 10% burns less efficiently you need to use more fuel to extract the same amount of energy, and the less efficient the engine the more you need to use and therefore carry. More fuel = more weight.
Nope. Didn't lead every lap.
Is the Mercedes lack of pace possibly also compounded by a weaker power unit? Looking at the other Mercedes powered cars finishing down the order.
How long are they able to upgrade the power unit before it is locked in? I recall there are some tight restrictions this year.
How long are they able to upgrade the power unit before it is locked in? I recall there are some tight restrictions this year.
Yes I understand that. But all of the engine manufacturers have been aware of this for some time and should have done the necessary work to manage the different fuel. Mercedes especially have a significant partner in Petronas that they keep reminding us of.
Yes, and it probably comes down to the E10 issue raised earlier. They can't get the power from it somehow but Mercedes has traditionally had the best engine department so they should be able to fix it quite quickly.
Merc are saying they were overwinged to compensate for the higher ride height to deal with porpoising which does make sense as you would lose a chunk of downforce running higher.
However the speed trap figures for all teams don't lie, there appears to be a deficit there.
All the Mercedes powered cars are aerodynamically a mess so it's a bit more complicated than saying the engine is the problem just yet. Mercedes speed trap times were not too bad either despite the issues they are facing.
Again, many Merc fans are going to be very dissapointed by this season. There's no "untapped" potential. The car just isn't that good/a bit of dog and they're massively hindered by development regs because of long term performance success. You dont make up 7+tenth a lap up over the course of a season unless you're 2009 teams chasing the Brawn double diffuser. Two Redbull DNF's and a safety car flattered Merc yesterday.
Engine development is now forzen until 2026. Unless Merc manage to find something spectacular fuel wise with petronas, this is actually not a good sign. Perhaps 8 years of karma for having a clear engine performance advantage is catching up with them?
How is it karma? They've done a far better job than the rest these past few years and now seem to have done a worse job than the others this year...
(Also it's the age old tale of regulations always being made to weaken the dominant team. It's happened to Ferrari post Schumacher, to Wiliams post Mansell etc.).
Thanks I will.You are amongst the best posters here, and it is all in good fun! Take it as a compliment
this is qualityOK so I was laughing at Red Bull yesterday, but Horner and Max were pretty calm in the interviews after, I was expecting something more tetchy.
Red Bulls problems I have no doubt they will solve quickly and Sunday they will be back at the front.
Mercedes is another matter, they are clearly the 3rd team at the moment and a good why behind, until the safety car and the Red Bull DNF's, Lewis and Russell were happy with 5th and 6th, their problems will take longer to solve, the question is can they solve them in time to challenge for the title, only time will tell.
The fact that I think 6 of the bottom 8 were Mercedes engine, has to be a cause of concern, its not all aero is it ?
Red Bulls problems I have no doubt they will solve quickly and Sunday they will be back at the front.
Mercedes is another matter, they are clearly the 3rd team at the moment and a good why behind, until the safety car and the Red Bull DNF's, Lewis and Russell were happy with 5th and 6th, their problems will take longer to solve, the question is can they solve them in time to challenge for the title, only time will tell.
The fact that I think 6 of the bottom 8 were Mercedes engine, has to be a cause of concern, its not all aero is it ?
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The engine isn't forzen completely yet. Its staggered.
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On Mercedes power. Toto said they had the most drag of any team yesterday. Could that be why speeds are so low?
E10 petrol is shite, in my 1.8 Toyota Avensis, I am noticing a drop in MPG.
Drag will hurt straight-line speed I would think.
Drag will hold back their speed, yes. The only thing that makes me doubt that is that all the Mercedes powered cars performed poorly (I think all the bottom 6 were all Mercedes powered?) but that could just be a coincidence more than anything else.
I was shocked by how far Max was able to close and overtake Leclerc from - that was impressive speed advantage from slipstream, drs, battery and top speed
No one else seemed to have anywhere near that speed. Seemed leclerc saved battery for next drs as seemed easy for him to get back past there compared to others.
Is going to be interesting to see if/how quickly Mercedes can catch up, would be great to have three teams competing at the top, with 4/5 drivers capable of pole and/or win each weekend.
The new cars were definitely better for following closely, definitely more able, but still needed DRS to make overtakes. Looks like following closely will have greater impact on brake temps, probably tire degradation as well
No one else seemed to have anywhere near that speed. Seemed leclerc saved battery for next drs as seemed easy for him to get back past there compared to others.
Is going to be interesting to see if/how quickly Mercedes can catch up, would be great to have three teams competing at the top, with 4/5 drivers capable of pole and/or win each weekend.
The new cars were definitely better for following closely, definitely more able, but still needed DRS to make overtakes. Looks like following closely will have greater impact on brake temps, probably tire degradation as well
They are running lots of drag to push the car down to limit the porpoising. Once they sort that, they can dial back the drag and improve the speed.
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DRS I think will almost always be needed now. Even though they can follow more closely, the cars and drivers are so evenly matched that the more traditional overtakes are less likely.
It's awful stuff in terms of mileage. So you have to buy more and burn more.
Making up 7/10s over the first season of new regs is absolutely possible. Last season Merc were down by about half that at the start and made it up at by the end of a season. Last year had the rules chages regarding the floor which hit them hard and they managed to develop over the season to become slightly ahead of the RB.
Why do you think there's no potential out of interest? What features of the car do you think are 'dog like'. Because there's two options really here over what the team who have won 8 constructors titles in a row (and arguably the greatest team in F1 history) have done:
- Made a dog (its still the 3rd best car btw)
- Made a car with a couple of problems
It burns hotter so you'll see a drop in MPG. Its also horrendous for older engines that aren't designed with that fuel in mind. You'll find alot of carbon build up issues potentially leading to detination problems or fouling plugs.
In saying that, 98 is equally as bad for your engine if you don't use it that often. Absolute scam that crap made to sell to yuppies. The additives are horrible for injectors if not running hot. Ducati recomend for its bikes 95 ron only unless you're on track for that reason.
Not to be seen as advice, but if you lot want race fuel. 4 parts 95 to 1 part E85 (if you can find it).
I've not listened or watched anything post race yet so you're maybe right but pushing the car down to limit porpoising seems counter intuitive no? When the 'easy' fix is to rise ride height why would you want to push/pull your car further towards the ground?