Lewis won 6 titles in a Mercedes. I think he needs to prove himself somewhere else to be goat contender.
Max only has 31 wins before the age of 25 (on his way to 2nd title), but it's laughable people are considering him a goat contender.
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Max only has 31 wins before the age of 25 (on his way to 2nd title), but it's laughable people are considering him a goat contender.
Not really Red Bull have built him bad and good cars and he has proved himself in them and across different regulations.
Max would win just as easily in a Mercedes when they get it together again which they will soon.
Ferrari he would probably win a championship in too as would Lewis but only problem you got there is the team weighs you down .
All Max has to do is keep going as he is going and winning whenever he has a good car
I agree, was being sarcastic. People here with Olympic levels of mental gymnastics trying to put Max' achievements down. Deep down they know he's a threat to Hamilton's records and that's a bitter pill to swallow for some. Matter of time until they realise it though. Wether they'll admit it is another thing.
Netflix f1 fans no doubtLots of people are, though. Matter of time brother. Be glad you're watching history in the making
Well Albon almost died at the weekend then. Respiratory failure. Good to see he’s doing ok now
Lewis won the title with mclaren as well. No one has won titles with three different teams since piquet senior.
Can see max winning a title with a different team (audi/mercedes/ferrari) in a few years time.
If anything Netflix f1 fans hate Max because of how he's been portrayed there.
Guys I was sarcastic about Hamilton needing to prove himself.
He's only 24. Time will tell...
Vettel was 24 when he defended his title if memory serves me right. And he actually won his first on merit.
Vettel was 24 when he defended his title if memory serves me right. And he actually won his first on merit.
Fair point
Side note, I’m not a great fan of verstappen but I seen a girl draped in orange walking around Silverstone with a big cardboard sign saying ‘when you take it to the max, anything can verstappen’. I appreciated that
Fair point
Side note, I’m not a great fan of verstappen but I seen a girl draped in orange walking around Silverstone with a big cardboard sign saying ‘when you take it to the max, anything can verstappen’. I appreciated that
Barely. 2026 is the next big change.
What we've had so far is a very dodgy title last year and something not too far off the Brawn F1 season this year with Red Bull on record pace to win the title. He's a quick driver but lets see how he does over the next decade before we start comparing him to the greats.
RB had a good base because they solved the bouncing in pre-season, they added a few bits but critically they reduced weight - they said months ago that will help tyre deg.
It looks like that development has made the difference. The other teams still have the bouncing and weight problems so they should be able to develop next years car to fix those and catch up a bit to make it competitive again.
I’m still positive on F1 with MAX, LEC, RUS, NOR all capable.
It looks like that development has made the difference. The other teams still have the bouncing and weight problems so they should be able to develop next years car to fix those and catch up a bit to make it competitive again.
I’m still positive on F1 with MAX, LEC, RUS, NOR all capable.
Let's just ignore his accolades from 2015-21 then. From 2018 onwards Max has been extremely consistent. He's already a record holder in a lot of categories. Last year was his first opportunity for a title and however controversial it may have been, he took it. He had the most wins last year, while battling with one of the goats. A man who was on a 4 streak championship run. Verstappen ended an era and seems to be starting a new one. Yes we will have to wait and see, but currently I don't see anyone on the grid who's on his level, with that level of consistency except for Lewis, who has most of his career behind him.
Whatever helps you sleep at night mate
The key to max's long term success will be moving to the right team at the right time. As Alonso and Vettel have shown, get it wrong and you may not have a potential championship winning car again in your career.
I think most drivers on the grid are very talented. Other than Max and Hamilton, if you put the likes of Leclerc, Russell, Norris and maybe even Sainz in the RB, they would be leading the championship as well. F1 is still too dependent on the cars. I would love to see all of them race in F2 for a few race to see who comes out on top.
Wow, I hadn't seen anything about that. Glad he seems to be getting better and off a ventilator.
I agree but also if you put Max or Lewis in that Ferrari they'd be much closer than Leclerc is for sure.
Just watching the C4 highlights, I want that Ferrari Zlatan was driving, it's absolutely stunning
No one really seems to be talking about how the SC picked up the wrong driver. Did that waste a lap at the end of the race? How on earth does that happen? Bizarre.
I seem to be one of the only people who think Ferrari did the right thing by pitting Charles. They were going to lose a straight fight with RB, so their only chance of winning was to oppose Max's strategy and hope for a SC. They were very unlucky that the VSC ended when it did. Lots of other cars also tried holding out as it was fairly likely that a SC would come (given the high speed nature of the track), but unfortunately it only came when it was too late for any racing.
Max and RB clearly deserve the win and the title this season, and he continues to also have that sprinkle of fortune which doesn't hurt either.
I seem to be one of the only people who think Ferrari did the right thing by pitting Charles. They were going to lose a straight fight with RB, so their only chance of winning was to oppose Max's strategy and hope for a SC. They were very unlucky that the VSC ended when it did. Lots of other cars also tried holding out as it was fairly likely that a SC would come (given the high speed nature of the track), but unfortunately it only came when it was too late for any racing.
Max and RB clearly deserve the win and the title this season, and he continues to also have that sprinkle of fortune which doesn't hurt either.
Still has had 2 DNFs and damage at Silverstone all due to no fault of his own so lost a lot of points unavoidably on his part
Just like last year which is the only reason the championship was close after all.
Far from the luckiest driver.
This season though is all just more Ferrari being Ferrari and Leclerc fecking up that once or twice. Should have been much closer by rights but Ferrari kind of wasted first half of season when their car was as good or better.
In terms of all the Saftey cars this year, they haven't really helped Max much at all. They where races he was almost always winning anyway.
Isn't Gasly under a bit of pressure for his seat? Wonder if they may put NDV in that car?
If it wasn't for daddy's money Latifi would be the one getting binned, that guy really shouldn't be anywhere near F1.
From all accounts Gasly is finalising the last bits of an Alpine contract. NDV will be looking at Mercedes linked teams for a drive, his best (only) chance is Williams.
My first nephew/niece is due in about a month so I've been AliExpress shopping.
So Lando is No4 but the flag is Australian. I guess that's Aliexpress.My first nephew/niece is due in about a month so I've been AliExpress shopping.
well spottedI'll take it for £5
https://the-race.com/formula-1/why-red-bull-f1-car-development-has-gone-away-from-perez/
https://racingnews365.com/horner-explains-why-perez-ran-different-dutch-gp-floor-to-verstappen/amp
So basically, as I thought, Perez is far slower than he is supposed to be, as pretty much confirmed by people from Red Bull. He was even criticised publicly because he lost third place to Russel the race before last during the safety car restart when he was asleep.
https://racingnews365.com/horner-explains-why-perez-ran-different-dutch-gp-floor-to-verstappen/amp
So basically, as I thought, Perez is far slower than he is supposed to be, as pretty much confirmed by people from Red Bull. He was even criticised publicly because he lost third place to Russel the race before last during the safety car restart when he was asleep.
Looks like you got the same size as Lando as well.....My first nephew/niece is due in about a month so I've been AliExpress shopping.
Over the last decade Mercedes were more dominant than any other team in history yet they've spent half this season complaining about how they don't have a clue why their new car isn't working. To say that the cars barely changed this year is like saying United's trophy haul barely changed after SAF quit.
Brilliant analogy that.
Yeh this is spot on, the difference in the cars is massive, these are ground effect cars, completely different to the previous years.
Biggest aero change in 40 years == barely changed
No mate it's just ridiculously premature. He's talented obviously but he's a long way to go to be considered one of the greats, let alone the GOAT.
The domination is the same. In percentage terms Max is on for a record in terms of how early he could win the title.
Ferrari have a decent car in some circumstances but the team is rubbish and the drivers a level below the best.
Maybe set of rules is the wrong word, era would have been better. Max needs to win across more than one to be considered amongst the best.
Are you defining era by engine regulations? If so then sure, but for me that's misguided - this year clearly marks a new generation of cars that fundamentally function differently to those that have come before.
Again if Adrian Newey is saying that this is the biggest change in decades then I'll defer to his opinion - for me changing the basic way the cars work aerodynamically is a demarcation of one era versus another.