The roll hoop completely disintegrated. Alfa are getting done.Just imagine without the HALO
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Do what they used to do. Waved yellows for all but the worst accidents and less rules around who can pit and when.
So in fact go into opposite direction safety wise?
The overzealous use of the safety car hasn't prevented any accidents. Double waved yellows used to work just fine with the SC coming out only when really needed.
The cynic in me says Mercedes/Aston wanted their car on TV more often though.
And it was at this point your honor, that I decided that all previous posts on this subject were irrelevant.
Unbelievable
I just think his comments Mercedes/Aston wanted their car on TV more often though , is sheer BS.
Has for the safety issues raised, don't think there is a problem with pits during SC, but I do agree the SC has been deployed when not really needed.
I don't really have any issue with the safety car deployment, but I do think you shouldn't be able to freely change the tyres when a race is red flagged and you're sat in the pit lane. I do like the idea though that Zhou flips his car completely, skids for ages and then the car flips over a wall and the director is like 'quick, this is a good chance for us to give Aston Martin some exposure on TV.'
I was agreeing with you about the absurdity of that comment
You do all know they do safety car runs for the crowd/TV right? I did say it was a bit of a throwaway comment but it's a fact that the SC comes out more and more frequently. Since 2015 the SC has been deployed more than all the other years combined, and it's now at a rate of once every race. Meanwhile the cars and tracks have become ever safer so should in theory require less intervention.
That was the year Jules Bianchi died in an accident. Maybe they now believe they should get ahead of incidents rather than wait for them to happen and "learn lessons?"
Honestly, the idea the safety car is deployed more due to TV exposure, is ridiculous. If you pause and just think about it logically, there are a million other ways to give the car more exposure than forcing an interference in a race. Could just have a 30 second segment before each race, if that’s what they were interested in. Not to mention, there are Mercedes’ and Aston Martin branded cars in the race field - they already get plenty of exposure. And as for safety car runs, they do runs in other cars too. It’s still a super car, so fans at the track would happily want to see it.
That's what the VSC was introduced for.
Merc BMW and Audi fighting over who should get the VSC from next year.
The simple answer is that the current crop of cars since 2015 are the fastest in F1 history. By nature of that fact, a driver is less likely to recover from a mistake than in previous years when the cars were slower. The cars are also much larger and heavier which will translate into more kinetic energy on impact and more pieces of debris to spread around the track.
Ill also note that safety was often an after thought up until Sir Jackie and Niki took initiatives to improve safety in 70’s and 80’s which was then furthered after Senna’s death in the 90’s and early 00’s.
Ill also note that safety was often an after thought up until Sir Jackie and Niki took initiatives to improve safety in 70’s and 80’s which was then furthered after Senna’s death in the 90’s and early 00’s.
Whether we like it or not safety cars do increase the entertainment.
We wouldn't have had that 10 lap shootout at Silverstone that everybody is raving about without it.
The same for Max winning the title, without the safety car he's lost it.
I guess it's swings and roundabouts, but f1 have clearly decided entertainment + safety over everything.
I suppose that's what it comes down to. Liberty Media have taken the decision entertainment and ratings trump purity of racing. They've not hidden that they're chasing the casual race observer.
Pretty much. F1 is business now more than ever - for better and worse.
I think in this situation though they had no choice. Ocon was broken down on the straight, and they're never going to have recovery vehicles on the track with cars going normal speeds ever again.
The risk of another Bianchi situation or putting marshalls at risk just isn't worth it.
Impressive. Wonder where it had lodged.
In one of the Venturis blocking all the airflow.
Considering these are ground effect cars it explains why the car became so crap.
So unlucky. Such a shame it never fell out all race
Remarkable it didn't and remarkable drive to grab those points!
A red flag would have saved his race. Could have knocked that fecker out with a broom handle or something.
This is true. To the detriment of the sport. If it can even be called a sport anymore. When do you draw the line?
When Hamilton starts to win again?
Cars need to be smaller
couldnt they have done that at one of his pit stops?
Don't think they knew what the problem was exactly during the race.
I don't think they'll ever go smaller again because of safety reasons.
Tracks should just be updated to become wider to cope with modern cars and street racing just needs to feck off.
Feels like other than Spa, Silverstone, Monza, and Monaco all modern tracks are already "updated" to tedium.
They are looking to make the cars smaller for the next car revision which should be 2026.
Size isn't much of an issue with safety, it's the weight. They need to make the cars lighter. They're ditching the stupid MGU systems thankfully (who the feck ever thought they would translate to road cars) which will help but there is more to be done.
Haha.
It's not about who wins. It's about sporting integrity. Regardless of individuals it will take F1 a long time to win back credibility after last season.
It is a very bitter pill to swallow for Hamilton fans. I was hoping that Mercedes nails their car this season to give him a good shot at a redemptive season but they have fecked it up.
Would be absolutely awesome if he gets one more season and gets to be the champion again, kind of like Fergie seeing off mancini
Just a thought on Zhou accident and looking where it finished.
If the fuel tank had exploded, in the same way Roman's did, not only would Zhou be dead but also some of crowd.
Scary thought.
If the fuel tank had exploded, in the same way Roman's did, not only would Zhou be dead but also some of crowd.
Scary thought.
Not too sure about the crowd either way, but Zhou would have been charcoal before they got him out. He was stuck in there forever.
Hope they learn the lesson from this one and do everything they can with the design of the barriers to make sure there's no way a car can end up in such a position that the driver can be trapped in there that long.
Credibility among Hamilton fans - sure. Nobody else gives a shit.
It won’t because there’s a lot of people who don’t care about what’s right, as long as their man wins. All they’ll say is “time to move on, only Hamilton fans care etc”. It’s sad when tribal loyalty trumps caring about the integrity of the sport but that’s often the case.
@SirAnderson you should be interested in this
F1 fans who have followed the sport before drive to survive certainly care. The newcomers maybe don't and some will try to simplify it to tribalism, when that is really not the case.