Fully caught up on the race. Buzzing for Sainz. He deserves that. The last 8 laps were stupidly good racing. Incredible drama. Gutted that Leclerc fell away but he did well considering.
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Yeah a lot of what he says is factually wrong and honestly a bit weird timing after Max has been the unluckiest driver of the weekend. Fecked over in qualifying by Leclerc causing yellow flags, fecked over at race start by the crash at the back causing him to have to give the position he gained back to Sainz and then fecked over by sheer bad luck during the race when he hit a piece of carbon after he put the pressure on Sainz who couldn't cope.
I was searching for posts on this and thankfully you was the only one I saw that mentioned It. Seb taking this back around Silverstone evoked so many memories of Red 5 winning there years ago.
One of the most iconic F1 cars, and a nice touch that Seb had the same design suit on from that era.
F1 should do more of the older style cars, like Williams Heritage, at more Grand Prix. At the very least it’ll educate those netflix or newer F1 fans some of the awesome cars of yesteryear.
You're right the timing was weird, I should have posted about Sainz at Silverstone 2 weeks ago when they hadn't raced yet. That would have been way better timing.
He fecked himself over in qualifying when he fecked 2 laps in a row spinning his car and going wide. Let's not act like that one lap determined his entire qualifying. The whole point which you've just illustrated for me is that these 'X happened only because of Y' is completely pointless. Max has benefitted plenty of times from other drivers having bad luck, it's part of the sport not a reason to say someone else at a different team doesn't deserve their seat when they're closer to their team mate than any other top driver pairing. Also taking a post about Sainz and getting bitter feeling the need to defend Verstappen is weird.
Christ. Yes that qualifying was determined by the last lap because the track was drying up and drivers were continuously posting better laptimes. It's not rocket science and Max was pretty dominant the entire day. If he didn't have to lift for the yellow flags he'd have been on pole. Simple as that. Also, you literally said in your post that Max is only leading the Championship because of Leclerc getting fecked by DNFs (which is silly) so don't try and act like your post was just about Sainz. You're such a wum man.
incredible wasn’t it.
F1 needs to forget hybrids and go back to screaming V10s. The innovation has already happened and manufacturers are leading the hybrid/electric charge.
Karun Chandlock said what we are all thinking. The cars are too big and heavy. Get rid, cut down on 200kg of weight and use man made bio fuel (that sebs fw14 was running on) it’s a win win situation for everybody.
Imagine todays race with screaming v10s as the backing chorus? what could be better
He's still owed some bad luck after last season. Don't worry about it.
He lost much more points due to bad luck last year than Lewis to be fair.
Would be amazing.
These new regulation cars are also too wide, so even if they keep the current power unites they need to make the cars more narrow and lighter.
Can't really begin to explain how wrong this post is, I don't think I've ever wummed this thread. That post was 99% about Sainz with a throwaway line about Max and you seemingly got incredibly defensive about it. Seems like a waste of energy to be so sensitive in life but you do you. Like I said to another poster, if your parents didn't have sex that night you wouldn't be here right now. What's your point exactly? You can only deal with the hand you have, and Sainz did that well. If a SC hadn't happened at the end of last year, Max wouldn't be the champion right now. Are you getting my point yet that 'X only happened because of Y' is a dumb position to take? Like you said, it's not rocket science.
With regards to the championship I went back and calculated how the points would have finished had neither car retired and Max would actually be leading by 15 points if looking only at grid positions, but it would be slightly less than that because of fastest laps that wouldn't have been achieved that I can't be bothered calculating, but either way not massively off for a throwaway comment and certainly not worth acting like I just slept with your wife over. The poster you quoted had a far more reasonable and mature approach to his reply. It's irrelevant anyway, because I wasn't focusing on that in the post I made I was detailing how using 'x only happened because of y' is dumb, and how Sainz is deserving of his seat on merit given the gaps between him and his team mate compared to the gaps between team mates at the other top teams, and the fact that they're tied on out scoring each other this season. That was the whole point of my post and you got butthurt because I made one throwaway comment about Max.
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Yet was gifted the whole championship last season, to be more fair. If luck balances out he is due some really bad luck this season.
but I don't expect that to happen. No doubt he is a top class driver though.
If they can get to bio fuel, then there is no need for V6’s other than cost. Roaring V10 where you hear and feel it before you see it would be something else.
If they get the car sizes back to 2008ish it means circuits like Monaco can actually provide passing opportunities then everyone wins.
Today was a epic strategic error by binotto. He is going to be crucified in the italian press tomorrow. Its 10 races into the season, everything should be done to ensure leclerc gets as many points as possible to stand any chance of competing for the WDC.
If ferrari lose the wdc and constructors this season, binotto should lose his job. It was utterly awful strategic calls by ferrari today. Embrassing for a f1 team at the sharp end. Horner was asked the question today if he would have made the same calls as binotto if he was in binttos shoes with his drivers and his answer was no.
Sainz may have had a good day today, but he simply doesnt have the talent to go tow to tow with max in similar performance machinery. A few to, but sainz isnt one of them.
Ferrari are gift wrapping the title for max, to be fair he doesnt need them to as the RB is a sensational package this season.
Even if you give them the benefit of the doubt over lack of time to react for Leclerc at the end, they made a real mess of everything before that.
I’ve said it before but I really do think RB are far ahead of both Ferrari and Merc when it comes to these decisions, and strategy for that matter.
Ferrari are absolutely hopeless tactically. They need to get somebody in who can turn that shit around.
As one f1 journalist pointed out. At the SC, ferrari could have bought leclerc in changed his tyres and front wing and got him out in front of Perez in 4th. Yes leclerc would have lost a place to lewis but would have got past lewis on restart as lewis himself said that currently a tyre deficit to Ferrari is the only way they can challenge them on pace.
Agree RB have been better than Ferrari and Mercedes on the pitwall calls for this season so far and last season.
I like Binnotti and he’s done well to lead that team from where they were to where they are now. It’s a tough role given the unique pressures at Ferrari. It is a bad reason not to make the tough call, but understandable given Sainz hasn’t won a GP yet. Now that that’s happened I do think they would react quicker in future but can’t say I’m sure. I don’t know how much it should mean but the team needs a motivated, happy and confident Sainz because team mates are vital not just for the constructors but to help the no. 1. My take from today is that Sainz knows full well he is the number two, so in the bigger picture, allowing Sainz to have a day like this might be more meaningful.
I agree with this. My only gripe in this thread is the strange bitterness towards Sainz as useless when he's actually closer to his team mate than any other top team, and has outscored him 3 races in a row. He's due his seat on merit.
In terms of the championship, yes Ferrari are ballsing it up. Their tactical calls are staggering and not just towards Leclerc - Monaco was beyond belief but the '10 car lengths' order they gave Sainz today was so dumb. They are just experts in throwing it away.
But also I hate team orders, I'd love for them to be banned and for it to somehow be enforceable. If your driver is good enough, he'll win it without being gifted it by virtue of just being better over a season than everyone else. RB telling Perez to let Max by twice in the same race, Leclerc asking his team to gift it to him today, Hamilton at Mercedes countless times etc. If you can't do it on your own, you don't deserve it and it's a joke to have your team tell your partner to let you win, and then talk as if you deserve it. I can't imagine the embarrassment I'd feel if at a Sunday league if my mate had an open net 7 times in the season and the manager forced him to pass it to me so I could score and then I tried claiming I was the best player in the league because I had a load of goals. I do like the way that McLaren handled it recently though, 'ok if you think you're faster and data seems to indicate it then we'll give you the chance but if you can't make anything of it then we're going to give it back.' Drivers will always complain they're faster even if they're not so at least fair is fair in that regard.
So I hate team orders but as long as they exist and Mercedes/Red Bull won't hesitate to use them then yeah Ferrari need to sort their shit out if they plan to win a WDC. The tactical calls that Ferrari make around pitstops for example are just staggeringly bad and I don't understand how they come to some of the conclusions that they do. The number of calls they've tried to make this year where their drivers push back because they're stupid and they're like 'ok no problem thanks we'll come back to you', Jesus. At least at Mercedes when Hamilton questions the strategy they give him the reasoning. Ferrari just crumble and say 'ok nevermind' so I can't work out what they're using to make them believe in the calls they're making.
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Very happy for Mick. He’s starting to find his feet in the current car and tyre package which hopefully leads him to more points.
This is a hallmark of his career to date. He’s a bit slower to adapt to tyres, but once he figures them out, he usually starts to dominate his team mates.
A lot of talk but I reckon Mick will outscore K-Mag in the second half of the season.
This is a hallmark of his career to date. He’s a bit slower to adapt to tyres, but once he figures them out, he usually starts to dominate his team mates.
A lot of talk but I reckon Mick will outscore K-Mag in the second half of the season.
What I don't understand is why didn't Ferrari just double stack. SC was already declared out. Tell Sainz to build a gap behind Charles. He could not be overtaken by Lewis under SC.
Binotto is shit.
He's an engineer and should stick with it. Ferrari's strategy has been consistently the poorest ever since he took over as team principal.
Le clerc was 10 seconds from the pit entrance when the safety car was deployed.
Spot on
unfortunately the size increases are mainly due to safety improvements, so i’m not sure they’ll ever shrink back to tiny cars again.
any savings would be helpful though.
It should have been enough. Carlos, if I remember correctly was about 2.5 seconds behind when the SC came out.
I'm not saying it was an easy call to make. I'm just saying Ferrari need to review their decision making process. They always seem to be making decisions on the fly. As a Captain I can tell you, that isn't the right way to make decisions. You have to constantly update your information and always keep the possible scenarios ready in your head. So that when an event happens, you've already prepped your decisions. This is the basis of good decision making. While I'm flying, I'm constantly evaluating possible airports around me and their condition, such that if in the next second I face a failure that requires an immediate landing, I already know where I am going.
Ocons incident took about 20-25 seconds before the SC actually came out. They should have already started formulating the decision as soon as they saw he was having Engine trouble.
It isn't about the "smartness" of the people making the decision, it is the process in which they lead up to a decision which determines the consistency of making the right decision at the right time. From the outside, it seems like Ferrari lack a good process.
Good post.
Do we not think George's actions were similar to Grosjeans in Spa 2012, where he received a race ban? Interested to hear your thoughts
It should all stem from binotto. Hes the team principal and sets the standards. Besides the team should have pretty much every scenario mapped out and a plan for each one.
Ferrari are ignoring a very important lesson, one they should pay heed to, their last drivers WDC. Kimi lucked out with that title due to infighting between Alonso and Hamilton and the lack of decisiveness in who is no1 and no2. Important strategy calls, or lack of guts by the team principal to make that call cost them a WDC.
I dont think the situation this season is identical to kimis wdc season. But ferrari need a clear no1 and no2 driver if they are to have any hope of mounting a proper wdc challenge to max and RB. Right now without a Mercedes that can challenge and Ferrari's incompetence, its too easy for max and RB.
No, he got caught out by how cold the tyres were and how little grip there was. Its more of a issue with his race engineer not briefing him properly that he would lose some positions at the start of the race until the hards were in the right window.
Still absolutely buzzing from this weekend, what an absolutely amazing race!
I wouldn't recommend camping for 3 nights though, hardly slept. I think next year i'll happily pay more for a hotel. At my age, I need a comfortable bed!
I wouldn't recommend camping for 3 nights though, hardly slept
. I think next year i'll happily pay more for a hotel. At my age, I need a comfortable bed!What a race, super driving on show.
Happy for Sainz to get his win and it could be good overall for Ferrari in the constructors, Sainz needs to perform and finish races. Problem is Leclerc should be on many more points due to fumbling strategy, it's clear so far Sainz this season doesn't have Leclerc's pace when equal so Ferrari need to be quicker at shuffling the cars around and see how much of a gap Leclerc can build.
Happy for Sainz to get his win and it could be good overall for Ferrari in the constructors, Sainz needs to perform and finish races. Problem is Leclerc should be on many more points due to fumbling strategy, it's clear so far Sainz this season doesn't have Leclerc's pace when equal so Ferrari need to be quicker at shuffling the cars around and see how much of a gap Leclerc can build.
Leclerc showed though he didn't have more pace when they did eventually swap them, it was mainly the DRS + draft that was allowing him to stick with him.
Once they went onto the hard tyres though the pace differential was obvious to see.
Leclerc only has himself to blame anyway, he's the one making stupid dives and wrecking his front wing before the race even got going. With the speed he showed with a broken up front wing, he could have won this race at a canter.
Not even slightly comparable are they? Obviously the consequence was bad but Russell didn’t actually do anything really awful, his onboard you can see he barely even moves his steering left it’s just unfortunate.
Start of the race with speed over runs with a tyre offset, yeah it’s his fault but it’s not like he was cranking steering on to block people. Mirrors are useless in F1 cars too and we benefit from watching back onboard with slow mo replays and multiple angles, in that moment the reaction time is near zero.
I'd be fuming if I were LeClerc. What an absolute joke. Ferrari yesterday basically said they don't care about the championship.
Binotto telling Charles off right after the race is just peak.
Binotto telling Charles off right after the race is just peak.
Said that I couldn't ever see Sainz winning a race and he pulls one out of the bag. Ferrari are throwing the title away though, idiots. Max will win with a couple of races spare because he's got a teammate that will play the lapdog and a team that knows how to win titles. Ferarri are so out of the loop. I can even see Hamilton or Russell finishing ahead of them if they aren't careful.
Ferrari are throwing the title away though, idiots. Max will win with a couple of races spare because he's got a teammate that will play the lapdog and a team that knows how to win titles. Ferarri are so out of the loop. I can even see Hamilton or Russell finishing ahead of them if they aren't careful.Ferrari cut the points to CS leader by 6 points despite all the break they got yesterday due to Max having number of problems
LeClerc is getting absolutely fecked, he is a much much faster driver and Sainz simply doesn't have "IT" to go wheel-to-wheel with Max over the course of season
LeClerc is getting absolutely fecked, he is a much much faster driver and Sainz simply doesn't have "IT" to go wheel-to-wheel with Max over the course of season
Due to the severity of the incident, if there was blame to be apportioned, the FIA would have done this by now. They have far more data than anyone else.
Still absolutely buzzing from this weekend, what an absolutely amazing race!
I wouldn't recommend camping for 3 nights though, hardly slept
Great to hear from someone who was actually there.
The crowd noise was akin to a good football stadium.
Any highlights?
Ferrari cut the points to CS leader by 6 points despite all the break they got yesterday due to Max having number of problems
LeClerc is getting absolutely fecked, he is a much much faster driver and Sainz simply doesn't have "IT" to go wheel-to-wheel with Max over the course of season
How much do I have to pay you to stop capitalising the C in Leclerc?