Grosjeans ban was an accumulation of issues where he crashed 7 times on the first lap during that season. It’s not comparable to Russel’s action yesterday for a race ban, even now we have penalty points for these kind of matters, for starts like Hungary last year as a good example.
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Grosjeans ban was an accumulation of issues where he crashed 7 times on the first lap during that season. It’s not comparable to Russel’s action yesterday for a race ban, even now we have penalty points for these kind of matters, for starts like Hungary last year as a good example.
Not even remotely similar
I really like Sainz but I'm not buying the "Leclerc only kept up due to DRS". On lap 35 when Sainz was 1.5sec behind Leclerc he said on the radio that he wanted to be within DRS range to protect himself from Hamilton, then when the SC came out on lap 39 he was 4.7sec behind. So even if he was able to hold Leclerc behind him earlier in the race he clearly couldn't keep up with him for more than 4 laps when he was behind. He fully deserved the victory though despite how many "it was only because of's" you throw at it.
I also don't think anyone needs to feel sorry that Hamilton lost a potential win since I highly doubt he had any chance of catching and passing Leclerc in 13 laps being 6sec behind (and with Sainz between them) as their lap times were within a tenth or two right before the SC.
I also don't think anyone needs to feel sorry that Hamilton lost a potential win since I highly doubt he had any chance of catching and passing Leclerc in 13 laps being 6sec behind (and with Sainz between them) as their lap times were within a tenth or two right before the SC.
I refuse to believe that every single F1 team doesn't have a couple of people whose only job is to constantly plan for what they should do if there's a VSC or SC, but seeing some of the decisions some teams make when it happens it actually looks like they don't. I realize that it's a lot harder in reality and that you can make wrong decisions even with the right information but Ferrari seems to be masters at not making the right call every time.
Yeah Lewis wasn’t catching (and passing) Leclerc before the SC, Leclerc‘s pace was within a tenth or two and even with a tyre drop off it was going to be enough on hards.
Lewis’s chance was either running the mediums longer and going to softs or a well timed SC or VSC, both of which were still a long shot. Merc pace was good but tyre switch on is still poor (see Perez at the end) and they are still behind Red Bull and Ferrari on outright pace even on a smooth track.
Not expecting Merc to be challenging in Austria but chance again in France I think even without potentially regulation changes that may hamper the front two.
He had tyres 13 laps younger than Sainz and 8 laps younger than Leclerc. The Mercedes has worked best this season on the harder compounds and Hamilton’s lap times in his first stint was faster than the Ferrari. I think there was a high chance, without the SC, that he would of caught and ultimately passed the Ferrari’s due to the tyre age delta. The times prior from lap 33 to 39 were only that tyre coming up to its performance window as it wasn’t a scrubbed set of hards that went on.
On a separate note, all of the points about Ferrari and strategy only comes into fruitition if the team can actually double stack, ie. pit team ability. Given what happened in Monaco I think Ferrari didn’t have confidence in getting both cars out and not losing track position for 1 or even 2 cars in that moment.
Still absolutely buzzing from this weekend, what an absolutely amazing race!
I wouldn't recommend camping for 3 nights though, hardly slept. I think next year i'll happily pay more for a hotel. At my age, I need a comfortable bed!
How did you get tickets?
They release sometime in December, general admission tickets are fairly easy to get, I bought mine 3 days after release from the main website (silverstone website)
Grandstand sells out quickly, though.
To be honest, Gasly has to know that gap is going to close. Its barely a cars width and they're heading down to a right hander, you have to expect George is going to move over slightly. It was way too aggressive.
Not only do they have that, they have software systems that are constantly running simulations on strategy decisions so when something happens they can immediately see all the options.
I'll have to keep an eye out this coming year then. Never tried for some reason.
Sign up here and you’ll get notified when they’re on sale, I would expect around £300 for a general admission 3 day ticket for next year.
https://www.silverstone.co.uk/events/formula-1-british-grand-prix/tickets-sign-up
What a race, by far the best of this season and arguably of last too. Some of the duels were breathtaking, the skill these drivers have I just don't understand.
Well deserved by Sainz. Getting overtaken on that first lap would have likely knocked his confidence, but stayed calm and delivered. He did benefit from the better strategy vs LeClerc at the end but held well.
The Merc looks like a massive improvement, shown by Hamilton cutting the time down between him and the Ferraris. Safety car in the end stopped a P2 or even victory, but he should be happy nonetheless with how much better the car is versus the beginning of the season.
Finally, Max very unlucky with the floor damage. It was in the bag for him but massive credit to stay in the points. A close of gap in the points would have made the title fight more interesting, but only a 6 point swing isn't enough to stop him for me. Still a lot of races to go but Max is comfortably the favourite to get title no.2
Well deserved by Sainz. Getting overtaken on that first lap would have likely knocked his confidence, but stayed calm and delivered. He did benefit from the better strategy vs LeClerc at the end but held well.
The Merc looks like a massive improvement, shown by Hamilton cutting the time down between him and the Ferraris. Safety car in the end stopped a P2 or even victory, but he should be happy nonetheless with how much better the car is versus the beginning of the season.
Finally, Max very unlucky with the floor damage. It was in the bag for him but massive credit to stay in the points. A close of gap in the points would have made the title fight more interesting, but only a 6 point swing isn't enough to stop him for me. Still a lot of races to go but Max is comfortably the favourite to get title no.2
Some mature race craft from Schumacher yesterday, I wonder if the cost cap for repairs at Haas was playing on his mind during these moves…
It is what you would think. I am sure they do have people sitting there for these strategy calls, but from the evidence, it seems like the process still isn't right. That's why I am blaming this not on individuals, but the process. This is what they need to look at. The SOPs that these strategists are following.
There were a few penalty possible incidents yesterday. I don't mind the 'let em race' mantra, but it needs to be consistent. I think Max deserved a penalty here. Mick was alongside him before the corner and hence Max is obligated to give him one cars width.
Charles also defended Perez once with all 4 tires off the circuit. Then Next lap, Perez cut the chicane. All possible illegal moves. *shrugs*
Max showing he's learnt nothing from last year. That was the penalty incident I was talking about.
He did this so many times last season, you can't defend by just letting your brakes off and drifting wide until your opponent has to escape off the track to avoid contact.
If Mick wasn't as desperate for the points I wish he would have called his bluff and took the contact.
Almost 40 pages to catch up? Geez, what happened!
I missed most of yesterday's race, anyone want to clue me in about the main happenings, please?
Both of the race, and the thread.
I missed most of yesterday's race, anyone want to clue me in about the main happenings, please?
Both of the race, and the thread.
Unless it's punished, of course he can. He has had no reason to learn, why would he, there have been no consequences. If the stewards gave him a penalty then I'd expect his behavior would change, as it did at SC restarts, but they haven't. No one who wants to win would disadvantage themselves for no reason.
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Almost 40 pages to catch up? Geez, what happened!
I missed most of yesterday's race, anyone want to clue me in about the main happenings, please?
Both of the race, and the thread.
Russell tap Gasley, big crash. Zhou upside down, big scare. Someone (Vettel?) hit Albon, big crash at same time. Perez damaged, Leclerc damaged. Perez pits for new wing, Leclerc doesn't. Then Max damaged, think puncture BUT NO, slow for rest of race. Then safety car because Renault can't make engines that don't go brrrrr. Ferrari pit Sainz but not Charles, Hamilton also pits. SC restart, Sainz argues, then dives past Leclerc, then THE REAL RACE BEGINS. Perez Hamilton and Leclerc battling for quite a few laps, much fun. Mick in the points, nearly gets past Max but doesn't. Bosh.
It's called a motor race. They went car racing.
Thanks Michael
On a scale from 1-10 how much do you hate Max?
Thats so not right Mikey
I actually don't at all - but i'll call it poor defensive driving if I see it. Same as any other driver in F1.
Just because they aren't punished doesn't mean it's not improper.
How was this defensive move any different than Brazil for instance? Anyway...
Yes
I got them from directly from the Silverstone website. I cant remember how much I paid as it was in Dec last year but £300 sounds about right, possibly slightly less.
Next GP I will get a hospitality ticket which is around 900 quid for race day only. It seems a lot but a 3 day weekend costs almost the same once you pay for the camping site and food and drinks which is an absolute rip off. 10 quid for a burger and I question whether there was any real meat in there! And then beers are £6.90 for a pint! The hospitality package includes food and drinks.
Just signed up. Thank you!
Don't know if you follow the padded seat on tiktok/instagram, but he just done the hospitality on his page yesterday
https://www.instagram.com/reel/Cfjto2Pgp_D/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link
Atmosphere is flatter i find in hospitality, and the actual enjoyment of the general admission for me is the camping, entertainment and atmosphere in the general admission areas (I sat on the old pit straight last time I did general admission tickets). We did most of the food and drink ourselves, certainly for the evenings. Not sure if they’ve changed the rules on what you can bring into Woodlands now.
Either way, it’s a pricey weekend ticket wise and if you’re spending upwards of £300 then it’s worth upgrading sometime for the experience. That said, Silverstone is still a pain for traffic, so we usually stay Sunday night and come back on the Monday. Usually good until we had to be towed off the campsite by a tractor in 2012 as the car park was a quagmire!
I did the same hospitality in 2015 for qualifying, it looks to have deteriorated in quality though. At the time F1 had a large Champagne sponsor and the whole free drinks for the day was just quaffing that stuff. Heineken now as a sponsor dials it down a bit. It’s a great spot on the terrace though as you get a great view of Maggots and Becketts.’
His team continuously asked him to chase target time and he couldn't do it, and after the pits Leclerc made fastest lap after fastest lap, while Sainz was also in the open too and he was slower than him despite pitting and being on new tyres too, I am not quite sure why are you ignoring that. Leclerc literally caught with him, and drove 6-7 laps behind him asking his team to overtake him and he got a negative answer, same happened after and they let him go, and Sainz again couldn't keep up with him, so I have no idea why you keep saying Leclerc wasn't faster.
If - points are over the top, I literally congratulated Sainz and told he did well after the SC, I was just stating the obvious that he was slow before the SC and that he can be happy with SC out. I am not into luck as majority of people here, sometimes you have it, sometimes you don't.
Just seen this picture from a photography discord group:
Its rarely said but something really needs to be done about safety cars in F1. The number of times they come out is getting ridiculous, with all these terrible street circuits and dodgy run off areas it's nearly every race, and they are now deciding races with increasing frequency too. F1 needs to change the rules around them so they cannot impact the race so severely.
Odd time to post this after the exact opposite of a street circuit race.
Just seen this picture from a photography discord group:
Incredible pic that!
Just imagine without the HALOJust seen this picture from a photography discord group:
Actually incredible that he was back at the track for the end of the race and visibly without a scratch. Quantum leap in safety even from mid 2000s, let alone the cans before.
More of a general observation brought on by yet another race where the safety car ruined a few drivers' races.
Whats your alternative?