I believe the aircraft industry ultimately use test pilots after simulations, to check for aero stall. I recall seeing a documentary on the 737 Max (bad example I know!).
F1 2022 Season
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Scarbs on official f1 channel talking about sidepods. Around 9:40 he mentions that Mercedes are producing the most downforce with their slimlime sidepod design.
Edit: bloody F1 channel blocks external links. Its on youtube anyway.
Edit: bloody F1 channel blocks external links. Its on youtube anyway.
So so glad to have you back.
Thoughts on Leclerc?
Max’ full upset in Imola is reaaaally good for enjoyment and the season at large. It also shows cars can still be improved beyond small, marginal gains… that’s why I cannot understand Mercedes actually folding so early?
From what I've read the reason F1 teams can't rely on CFD is because simulating airflow so close to the ground is incredibly difficult. It seems unlikely that the aircraft industry would have a lot of experience with that, plus when they look at stalling they've never had to consider a 3rd factor like the ground either, so I don't know how much help they could offer with this particular issue. Not that I'm an expert on any of this, just speculating.
What I'd love to know is if F1 teams can only use windtunnels of a certain spec and if they sort of lock in a certain wind tunnel to use for X amount of years to FIA? Because the reason they can't work on finding a solution for porpoising right now in a windtunnel is because they would destroy the rolling mat that the car runs on even before the stalling occurs, but surely if things were simple (like they never are in F1) I was thinking they could build a rig above the mat and ignore the wheels not moving, or alternatively use a windtunnel with a static floor, slap down a 5cm steel plate and then porpoise all night long. Does anyone know the rules on this?
One of the main reasons is that the wind tunnels are limited to 180kph, and the porpoising exists at a speed much higher than that. Alongside other important reasons around a constant direction of airflow & difficulties in simulating things like tyre wake around the car.
What effect does rake have on it? I mean could mercedes not run the car a bit higher at the back then the front to stop it bottoming out?
A question I have been pondering, during the season between races, is there an limitation on what can be done to cars and engines, within the rules and regs of course, but is anything off limits.
Foe example the slim side pods, could they change them mid season ? Massive job granted but could they.
Foe example the slim side pods, could they change them mid season ? Massive job granted but could they.
Well the rake style philosophy went out of the window with this years regulations. The Venturi tunnels on the floor is what generates the downforce, so Mercedes will want that as close to the ground to seal the air under the car with ride height being adjusted upwards to balance the porpoising, hence them commenting about the downforce challenges. The only way to solve this is imo is with a new floor.
Only limits are the budget cap and CFD and wind tunnel time. Apart from powertrain related stuff of which penalties occur for changing parts as has done for past few seasons.
Not sure why there's scorn here, porpoising is literally caused by the car being raised off the track before downforce immediately pushing the car back down to the track, Mercedes know what the problem is, they just aren't able to fix it yet.
I thought the power train were now frozen apart from 'reliability' upgrades?
Yeah I know about the power train and the budget cap.
So anything else is fair game , suspension and such like.
There is a clause for engine parity to ensure that one engine manufacturer isnt stuck with a slower powertrain than the other two till 2026. Other than that just the reliability clause. How you action and get fia to sign off on engine parity if you need to im not too sure.
Yes, as long as your design for whatever your changing fits within the rulebox for that part i.e. if your making changes to the rear wing, you have to stay within the x/y/z axis of the rulebook measurements. Obviously subcomponents on said wing i.e. canards etc would have their own x/y/z axis rulebox to adhere to.
Cheers.
I have wondered why the FIA , have not gone down the route of all cars having the same engine, maybe all the engine makes pooling together and making a cost, fuel efficient engine available to all the teams at a price that is competitive.
The current technical regs for F1, all 178 pages. If you cant sleep, have a read. You'll be in dreamland in no time at all.
Edit: can't attach on here, so can be downloaded here in pdf form.
https://www.fia.com/regulation/category/110
Edit: can't attach on here, so can be downloaded here in pdf form.
https://www.fia.com/regulation/category/110
HA HA think I will pass on that, even on a quite nightshift , I am not that bored.
manafacturers wouldn’t want it.
If you’re Mercedes/Ferrari/Renault/Honda you want to boast you’re the fastest and most reliable engines. F1 after all is just a marketing scheme to sell road cars.
feck off
There was talk of this awhile back when RB were stuggling to get an engine supplier ad they wanted to break with renault. Ford was suggested. However for companies like damiler the lessons learnt from f1 engineering filter down into their road car models. Well most things apart from mgu-h which is going to be canned for 2026 powertrain design.
Obviously for ferrari, f1 is their primary method of advertising their road cars, but again even for them the lessons from f1 filter down to their now hybrid engine cars. Same for Alpine, same for Mclaren. Only outlier is RB, who obviously want Audi or Porsche to come in to takeover the powertrain facilities.
If for example Porsche came in as a powertrain only supplier, and the powertrain was offered to any team who wanted it, who would be the works team for that powertrain? Would their be one or would they all be customers? Also the capEX expenditure for Porsche or Ford or whoever would be huge and have to be justified to their shareholders.
Which is why i think once F1 decides on the 2026 onwards powertrain be it hybrid or synthetic fuels or hydrogen, that will be the deciding factor for audi (who want to buy a full works team i.e. alfa romeo) or porsche etc to enter.
Its a sensible idea to have a powertrain manufacturer whom any team can get the powertrain off, its whether it would work in practise nowadays remains unknown.
On a sidenote F1 cannot go all electric until 2040 as Formula E has the exclusivity rights for all electric powertrains until then.
I am honestly going to start skipping the sprints, a utter waste of time. Unless a reverse grid or ballast is introduced.
They need to stop the sprint races. They are pointless.
I wasn´t trying to start a fight between Hamilton fans and others it was a genuine question regarding his rough patch this season.
The feeling I get is he is clearly accustomed to different handling cars with totally different characteristics so it would be easy to see him struggling while the younger generation isn´t as rigid in the way the older cars behaved and are adapting quicker. He is a fantastic driver who has clearly had the best equipment for years but I don´t know if I would write him off just yet.
This is very much true but being the best driver he should be all over his partner but he looks like he is going further away from him.
Ok this makes sense.
Although I hate the bickering in the thread, it's fascinating to read about good technical info about cars in this thread. Although I've been watching for years, the most I can manage is routine stuff the commentators come out with.
6 sprint races FFS 3 is bad enough.
Do the FIA not listen to fans, hardly any I know like the sprint races.
I just think they are a pointless waste of time and money and all brought in to keep the fans DTS has brought in happy.
Do the FIA not listen to fans, hardly any I know like the sprint races.
I just think they are a pointless waste of time and money and all brought in to keep the fans DTS has brought in happy.
I agree , I try and stay out of the bickering.
The tech stuff today has been excellent, I am no great expert despite watching for years.
It's a sign of where the sport is going. Quest for more fans, more money. They think new fans are put off by strategy and pit stops. It's scary times ahead. We are past F1's peak.
Although 2026 ideas seem good. Technically speaking.
I agree love the tech bits, but to be fair as a Ferrari "fan" since the early 90´s it is great to be back in the mix and to be fair I miss Hamilton being in the mix as well. He is one hell of a driver but he isn´t bathed in the same glow as the older drivers of the sport the Senna, Prost, Schumacher. Who knows why but the Hybrid era was just messed up by the Mercs just owning that decade.
F1 Race Directors Eduardo Freitas and Niels Wittich have tested positive for Covid ahead of the Miami GP
This is breaking Sky Sports News.
This is breaking Sky Sports News.
Really good video on pull rods v push rods
2026 F1 plans (very high level).
Yeah, it's been a couple of really interesting pages.
Received an email at 11pm last night to say the tickets for Monza have been released. Just went onto the f1 ticket site and everything is sold out!!! That can’t be normal can it?
It's normal when Ferrari are title contenders.
If they can't make it then it'll most likely be Herbie Blash or Colin Haywood that will take over for Miami.
Hopefully Red Bull have fixed their reliability so there is a chance at their being a title fight.
Sainz clearly won't compete with Charles.
Max will if given a can that can finish races.
Sainz clearly won't compete with Charles.
Max will if given a can that can finish races.