F1 2022 Season

rpitroda said:
Oh dear. FFS @Zlaatan
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Ah we shouldn't care all that much about a few points lost here or there, what really matters is that I just won handbag of the week!
I wanted to make some sort of pun about the drivers and constructors titles already being in it but I'm afraid you'll hunt me down and hurt me if I did. :p

With that said, what a shit race all around for Ferrari..
 
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Not sure that car is that bad to be honest, it might be but still, wonder if he could do bit more adjusting to current situation, MV lapping him probably stings.
 
hp88 said:
Nico is such a shit-stirrer when it comes to anything related to Merc
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Ha ha! He is.

Everyone knows he retired after one win because he was not capable of repeating it. He comes across as quite bitter in his comments against Mercedes and, even more so, Hamilton.
 
BusbyMalone said:
Oh, big time. Can't be anything more humiliating for him.

Russell appears to be doing well in the car though. Another decent finish for him today. I quite like him.
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I think it is more humiliating for the team. No doubt he will be fuming though. Today is likely the day of realisation, they are not going to catch up this season.
 
BusbyMalone said:
Russell had a good race though
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He did very well, I like him. But as another poster pointed out, track position is key on this track and Russell benefited at the start. He also wasn't impeded on pit exit.

Mercedes expected to go into this season fighting for the title. They are nowhere near as a team. That will be humiliating.
 
Fluctuation0161 said:
He did very well, I like him. But as another poster pointed out, track position is key on this track and Russell benefited at the start. He also wasn't impeded on pit exit.

Mercedes expected to go into this season fighting for the title. They are nowhere near as a team. That will be humiliating.
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Oh, big time. But it's humiliating for Lewis, too. There's no way around it. Being lapped by the guy who you pushed all the way last season and were expected to do this season (before it became apparent their car wasn't up to it) is utterly humiliating for that driver.

Also, not sure if you can merely put it down to track position to explain the huge disparity between Russell and Hamilton today. Ok, he had that pit incident - fair enough. But still doesn't explain the huge difference. Hamilton must take a big part of the blame.
 
Lightbringer said:
Lewis was lucky to get title 7 before Russel came into the team and showed the world whos the most talented driver! Hamilton nothing special when he has to fight the other drivers and not just breeze past them thanks to a monster engine!
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Really!! Lucky to win all the races he has, do me a favour. Lewis clearly driving a dog of a car, struggling to get his set up right, ok Russel has got to grips with his car better than Lewis, but come on lucky, the most talented driver after just 4 races in a Mercedes, utter rubbish.
 
Lightbringer said:
Lewis was lucky to get title 7 before Russel came into the team and showed the world whos the most talented driver! Hamilton nothing special when he has to fight the other drivers and not just breeze past them thanks to a monster engine!
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Rosberg and Alonso are two very very good drivers. Bottas today showed he's a very good driver. Even if Russel were to finish this season ahead, it may just be that Hamilton's age is finally catching up to him. You watch football, therefore you should be aware that even the best decline.
 
Not sure if anything came of it but on the install lap Lewis was complaining that the engine wasn't running right. He was told on the radio that the team thought it was an issue related just to the install lap engine mode but if it wasn't it might explain in part how poor he was in the race. I think Rosberg said in comms he must have had 20 attempts to pass Gasly.
 
BusbyMalone said:
Oh, big time. But it's humiliating for Lewis, too. There's no way around it. Being lapped by the guy who you pushed all the way last season and were expected to do this season (before it became apparent their car wasn't up to it) is utterly humiliating for that driver.

Also, not sure if you can merely put it down to track position to explain the huge disparity between Russell and Hamilton today. Ok, he had that pit incident - fair enough. But still doesn't explain the huge difference. Hamilton must take a big part of the blame.
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Definitely a wtf moment, I'm sure. Considering the injustice of last season and also Max's antics last season it will have been incredibly frustrating for Hamilton. But reality is the team haven't made a car that's good enough to compete yet.

I think for this race, George had a great start, lucked out with the crash in front of him and Valtteri's 10 second pitstop, Hamilton isn't doing great, but he was stuck in a bad spot and a drs train with very few overtaking areas.
 
antsmithmk said:
Not sure if anything came of it but on the install lap Lewis was complaining that the engine wasn't running right. He was told on the radio that the team thought it was an issue related just to the install lap engine mode but if it wasn't it might explain in part how poor he was in the race. I think Rosberg said in comms he must have had 20 attempts to pass Gasly.
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Interesting, I must've missed that.
 
Well-driven race by Verstappen and the lead is now what 25 points? That's like one DNF. Not sure about Charles pushing and crashing. On one hand, you don't win by being safe, but he could have got a podium driving safe and only got sixth in the end. Red Bull warming up well now.
 
fishfingers15 said:
Well-driven race by Verstappen and the lead is now what 25 points? That's like one DNF. Not sure about Charles pushing and crashing. On one hand, you don't win by being safe, but he could have got a podium driving safe and only got sixth in the end. Red Bull warming up well now.
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Yeah, Red Bull looking really strong. Max seems dialed in at the moment. He's been incredibly unlucky this season so far, but to only be 26 points behind after already having two DNFs is impressive. Hopefully, him and Charles can keep it up.
 
I wonder if RB have sorted their issues now, they never had any porpoising to begin with. The biggest problem was reliability which probably wasn't tested that much in the quite cold conditions today. So something to keep an eye on in sunny Miami.
 
It’s strange though, that Ferrari bounces around like crazy too but it doesn’t seem to impact performance as it does to Mercedes. The reality is, this Mercedes car isn’t going to be competitive this season and, if they’ve made a mistake in their unfeeling car ethos, they may not be catching up next season either.

It’s amazing how Newey consistently makes brilliant cars aerodynamically. Have they ever been off the pace from that perspective ever since they began winning with Vettel? I know obviously at times they were a long way back from Mercedes but to me that stemmed from engine deficit which they had to compensate for with an unoptimal aero setup.
 
rpitroda said:
It’s strange though, that Ferrari bounces around like crazy too but it doesn’t seem to impact performance as it does to Mercedes. The reality is, this Mercedes car isn’t going to be competitive this season and, if they’ve made a mistake in their unfeeling car ethos, they may not be catching up next season either.

It’s amazing how Newey consistently makes brilliant cars aerodynamically. Have they ever been off the pace from that perspective ever since they began winning with Vettel? I know obviously at times they were a long way back from Mercedes but to me that stemmed from engine deficit which they had to compensate for with an unoptimal aero setup.
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I think the Ferrari bounces as bad, if not worse than the Merc. I think the bouncing might be masking other issues for Mercedes.
 
mitChley said:
Which his teammate came 4th in, awkward.
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Yes it is awkward. But Russell got the breaks and Lewis didn't. Of course Toto wants to keep Lewis motivated. He is their star driver. But Lewis is highly experienced and understands the situation.
 
pauldyson1uk said:
Really!! Lucky to win all the races he has, do me a favour. Lewis clearly driving a dog of a car, struggling to get his set up right, ok Russel has got to grips with his car better than Lewis, but come on lucky, the most talented driver after just 4 races in a Mercedes, utter rubbish.
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People have very short memories. They forget he had a team mate who became world champion.
They forget the number of races he has won.
If that was lucky, we would all wish for that type of luck.
 
I thought this may have been the case. Obviously, the sprint race is relatively new, so no surprise.

Max Verstappen is first driver to win qualifying, sprint race, main race and get fastest lap in one event.
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antsmithmk said:
I think the Ferrari bounces as bad, if not worse than the Merc. I think the bouncing might be masking other issues for Mercedes.
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The rari bounces brifefly on the straights , the problem for Merc is that they bounce on entry into the corners as well.
 
Rado_N said:
What happened to Leclerc and Ferrari today?
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Sainz had a small collision with Ricciardo and had to retire. LeClerc had a small slipup and almost crashed which cost him the 3rd place. Bad luck basically. But RB was faster anyway
 
Rado_N said:
What happened to Leclerc and Ferrari today?
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They were slower than Red Bull, Leclerc was third and opted for new set of soft tires since they had nothing to lose, Norris was far behind in fourth. As he was pushing with new set he made a mistake(similar to one where he made a save in qualifying) and almost crashed, but manage to save it but had to enter pit and change his front wing.

Risked going for second but end up in sixth.
 
RoyH1 said:
Sainz had a small collision with Ricciardo and had to retire. LeClerc had a small slipup and almost crashed which cost him the 3rd place. Bad luck basically. But RB was faster anyway
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Amar__ said:
They were slower than Red Bull, Leclerc was third and opted for new set of soft tires since they had nothing to lose, Norris was far behind in fourth. As he was pushing with new set he made a mistake(similar to one where he made a save in qualifying) and almost crashed, but manage to save it but had to enter pit and change his front wing.

Risked going for second but end up in sixth.
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Thanks both!
 
Rado_N said:
What happened to Leclerc and Ferrari today?
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The simple answer is he had a poor start off the line, then when he caught Perez DRS wasn't turned on because of the wet track.

They clearly had the car setup for more downforce/less top speed relying on the DRS to overtake, but the red bull is too fast in a straight line.

He eventually settled for 3rd but then pitted for soft tyres to do the fastest lap, but then so did both red bulls. He then pushed too hard and span.

They weren't exactly slow today he just never got the chance to chase Max.
 
There were times last season Leclerc got lapped by Verstappen/Hamilton too. Sometimes it happens.

If you get stuck in a DRS train like that it's very difficult to overtake. People are just using this quite normal situation to take a stab at Hamilton which is a bit silly.
 
rpitroda said:
It’s strange though, that Ferrari bounces around like crazy too but it doesn’t seem to impact performance as it does to Mercedes. The reality is, this Mercedes car isn’t going to be competitive this season and, if they’ve made a mistake in their unfeeling car ethos, they may not be catching up next season either.

It’s amazing how Newey consistently makes brilliant cars aerodynamically. Have they ever been off the pace from that perspective ever since they began winning with Vettel? I know obviously at times they were a long way back from Mercedes but to me that stemmed from engine deficit which they had to compensate for with an unoptimal aero setup.
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Ferrari seems to stop bouncing when it arrives at a corner or under breaking whereas Mercedes can't control it. I can't see anyone solving it this year either due to the restrictions on R&D so it might just be case of sitting out of the title fight for a year.
 
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