F1 2021 Season
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They're even making up the explanations as they go along. At least it's consistent.
Put it this way. If the race director had followed the regulations, in whatever scenario, Hamilton is the likeliest winner. They either un-lap all the cars, which would take too long and the race would end under the safety car or they un-lap none of them, and Max would have 5 other cars between him and Hamilton with just 1 lap to go. In the first scenario Hamilton is the guaranteed winner, in the second scenario Hamilton is by far the likely winner.
They made the inexplicable decision to only un-lap the cars between Max and Hamilton, in the name of entertainment, to have 1 lap of racing. Hamilton was pretty much a sitting duck, considering Max had just pitted to change to soft tyres, which are much faster than the old hard tyres over a short distance that Hamilton had used for, I forgot now, something like 30 or 40 laps.
So not only did they manufacture a last second shot at the title for Max out of nowhere, they left Hamilton pretty defenceless against him.
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Just to add to this - it was only Verstappen that got this preferential treatment - the rest of the cars in the race still had lapped cars between them and the cars in front.
Sainz for example was in 3rd, and should have been immediately behind Max, but the race director didn't think it was important to move lapped cars out of his way, only Verstappen's.
Brundles thoughts.
Thanks.. that’s very bad, don’t know what Hamilton will or can do.
@TheMagicFoolBus gave a random 90th min penalty while the keeper was getting treatment
I don't see how this can happen. Imagine being 12th, having lapped the 13th, then the 13 gets to sit behind you on the same lap after a safety car but has the extra fuel to burn for the rest of the race. Not only has your established advantage been erased, you're actually put at a disadvantage.
Verstappen said: "Michael is a nice guy and he tries his very best and it's very unfair to now start hating on him because it is a very tough job."
Horner added: "Michael has been under massive pressure from all sides." "And I think that it's a little unfair that, you know, he's [Masi] up there on his own. He doesn't have any form of support."
Seeing Verstappen and Horner use that particular word is giving me PTSD.
Horner added: "Michael has been under massive pressure from all sides." "And I think that it's a little unfair that, you know, he's [Masi] up there on his own. He doesn't have any form of support."
Seeing Verstappen and Horner use that particular word is giving me PTSD.
Rich coming from those two, if they were on the receiving end I have little doubt Max would revert to type and Karen Horner is the biggest snake in motorsport.
Mercedes are set to ABANDON their appeal against Max Verstappen's contentious F1 world title victory after Sir Lewis Hamilton told them he doesn't want his eighth championship to be won in court
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/f...ax-Verstappens-Formula-1-world-title-win.html
Sportsmail understands that Hamilton has been key to Mercedes' revised position and, though bitterly sore at being deprived of the triumph he wanted most, thinks it in the best interests of the sport not to proceed down the legal route. That is despite Mercedes' lawyer, Paul Harris QC, believing he has an overwhelming case to present.
For feck's sake. Masi 4eva.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/f...ax-Verstappens-Formula-1-world-title-win.html
Sportsmail understands that Hamilton has been key to Mercedes' revised position and, though bitterly sore at being deprived of the triumph he wanted most, thinks it in the best interests of the sport not to proceed down the legal route. That is despite Mercedes' lawyer, Paul Harris QC, believing he has an overwhelming case to present.
For feck's sake. Masi 4eva.
Very noble of Hamilton, if true but I didn't think overturning the result and handing Hamilton the title was even on the table. I thought best case scenario was FIA admitting their faults and acknowledging a grave error and an unjust decision was made at which point everyone moves on with 2021 having a massive asterisk next to it.
I think Hamilton handled the whole thing pretty well all things considered.
I agree but on the flip side how could he have reacted badly ? The whole drama has put F1 in a terrible predicament. The sports credibility is tarnished.
This ought to be used as the definitive summary of what went on.
Fighting words on Lewis' part. I suspect it means that he will want to come back now and fight the system.
Hamilton has been shat on by Masi and F1A but he's going about this in exactly the right way. Going through courts of arbitration will just be exhausting and both sides will fight tooth and nail.
Even if Mercedes won, Lewis would never be satisfied with that title if Max had won the race, and neither would the fans. It's a dead loss.
He can only go back to the grid and win it back.
Even if Mercedes won, Lewis would never be satisfied with that title if Max had won the race, and neither would the fans. It's a dead loss.
He can only go back to the grid and win it back.
I wold expect nothing else, Horner would have done the same if Lewis had won.
The picture is classic Toto, but he was not going to be smiling was he.
Are you the legal adviser of the daily mail or something?
That is a great picture choice. He looks like he's been on a week-long bender.It was something like that..
As many people have told you, but you have failed to read, there’s a certain subset of people who will have even watched the YouTube highlights.
like Liverpool?
Title wins
- Max Verstappen - 1 (*)
Marko on Mercedes… “What I don’t understand: they had also the ability also to go to the pits”. They didn’t. So it was their mistake.”
Nice to see he’s gracious and takes all the facts into account. Perfect fit with Red Bull
Mercedes are withdrawing, as expected.
Titles are remembered with stories. Everyone remembers the story behind Schumi's first. Hamilton's first. Alonso's double.
This will be Max's.
Fight the system
He is 7 times world champion. He is the system.https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/f1-agrees-to-ditch-mgu-h-as-part-of-new-engine-rules/6885625/
F1 agrees to ditch MGU-H as part of new engine rules
By:Jonathan Noble
Dec 15, 2021, 8:10 PM
Formula 1 chiefs have confirmed that the MGU-H will be dropped from power units from 2026 as part of a new rules shake-up.
The complicated technology, which generates electrical power from exhaust heat, has proven to be expensive and complex since it formed part of the new turbo hybrid rules that were introduced in 2014.
With F1 eager to attract new manufacturers from 2026, the presence of the MGU-H was viewed as a key part of the discussions.
For the Volkswagen Group, which is poised to enter F1 with either its Audi or Porsche brands, was reluctant to enter if the MGU-H remained.
It felt that the expense of developing the technology, which has limited road car application, plus the head start that current manufacturers had in understanding it, was not worth it and its continued presence could prompt it to elect to steer clear of joining.
Earlier in the summer, Mercedes F1 team boss Toto Wolff said the German manufacturer was willing to drop the MGU-H if other elements of the rules were agreed.
"I think it's a compromise that, I can't speak for anybody else, but at Mercedes, we are prepared to enter in order to facilitate the entry of the Volkswagen Group,” he said. “But there are several other topics where compromise needs to be found.”
During subsequent discussions between the current car makers and VW, it was agreed that the MGU-H could be dropped if other elements were put forward – such as a cost cap that ensured that new entrants would not trigger a fresh spending war.
That has now resulted in the FIA’s World Motor Sport Council confirming that there will be four central elements to the new powerunits that are coming for 2026.
They are that the current 1.6-litre V6 engine will be retained, electrical power will increase to 350kW, the MGU-H will be ditched and there will be a cost cap for engine development.
The FIA has also approved the outline concept of F1 running on 100 percent sustainable fuel alongside the increased electrical power boost.
One key element is also to ensure that the power units are attractive to fans.
The FIA said that it wanted a: “powerful and high-revving power unit, car performance, sound, drivers’ ability to race, avoiding excessive differentiation.”
F1 agrees to ditch MGU-H as part of new engine rules
By:Jonathan Noble
Dec 15, 2021, 8:10 PM
Formula 1 chiefs have confirmed that the MGU-H will be dropped from power units from 2026 as part of a new rules shake-up.
The complicated technology, which generates electrical power from exhaust heat, has proven to be expensive and complex since it formed part of the new turbo hybrid rules that were introduced in 2014.
With F1 eager to attract new manufacturers from 2026, the presence of the MGU-H was viewed as a key part of the discussions.
For the Volkswagen Group, which is poised to enter F1 with either its Audi or Porsche brands, was reluctant to enter if the MGU-H remained.
It felt that the expense of developing the technology, which has limited road car application, plus the head start that current manufacturers had in understanding it, was not worth it and its continued presence could prompt it to elect to steer clear of joining.
Earlier in the summer, Mercedes F1 team boss Toto Wolff said the German manufacturer was willing to drop the MGU-H if other elements of the rules were agreed.
"I think it's a compromise that, I can't speak for anybody else, but at Mercedes, we are prepared to enter in order to facilitate the entry of the Volkswagen Group,” he said. “But there are several other topics where compromise needs to be found.”
During subsequent discussions between the current car makers and VW, it was agreed that the MGU-H could be dropped if other elements were put forward – such as a cost cap that ensured that new entrants would not trigger a fresh spending war.
That has now resulted in the FIA’s World Motor Sport Council confirming that there will be four central elements to the new powerunits that are coming for 2026.
They are that the current 1.6-litre V6 engine will be retained, electrical power will increase to 350kW, the MGU-H will be ditched and there will be a cost cap for engine development.
The FIA has also approved the outline concept of F1 running on 100 percent sustainable fuel alongside the increased electrical power boost.
One key element is also to ensure that the power units are attractive to fans.
The FIA said that it wanted a: “powerful and high-revving power unit, car performance, sound, drivers’ ability to race, avoiding excessive differentiation.”
Was about to post that. Mercedes officially withdraw their appeal.
Masi gets away with it. Or maybe he gets a pay rise even. I don't know what this sport stands for, really, anymore.
Yes boys come on! I bet Lewis pressured Mercedes not to appeal. He's been a class act since straight after the race. Max didn't deserve the WDC to be taken from him. Lewis deserved better as well during the race so big respect to him. His fans could learn from him.
Might as well shut the book there and close the thread.
As expected from Mercedes. Roll on 2022
As expected from Mercedes. Roll on 2022
I wanted it to go through the CAS courts just so we could at least have on record what we all know, that the FIA acted unjustly and manufactured the ending they wanted. I can understand why Hamilton and Mercedes wouldn't want to go through that process and for it to be a distraction heading into the new season (doesn't it usually take months to get a ruling with CAS?).
That's got a behind closed doors agreement written all over it.
Masi to be 'promoted' away from race control in 3, 2, 1...
We don't know when that photo was taken. Probably a stock photo.
I do think that this is the most sensible outcome i e. making the best out of a bad job.
Most serious people understand what has happened and it is now time to put all of that behind us and move on to 2022.
My main hope is that Masi gets a very severe bollicking from the FIA and the rules are tightened up to prevent any further manipulating of a race outcome.
Strong words.
Well I don't think it was ever going to CAS, but going to appeal in the FIA courts would mean they would be forced to explain the dirty laundry in public. You have to have an appeal result and a detailed explanation.
With the statement from the FIA last night, it looks they admit the situation was not perfect and are going to explain themselves anyway. So I guess in hindsight, Mercedes no longer need to appeal. Still it would have been nice to see the FIA take a side on this in legal black and white, about whether they support race fixing for TV or not.
Whatever.
With the statement from the FIA last night, it looks they admit the situation was not perfect and are going to explain themselves anyway. So I guess in hindsight, Mercedes no longer need to appeal. Still it would have been nice to see the FIA take a side on this in legal black and white, about whether they support race fixing for TV or not.
Whatever.
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Yeah I'm really disappointed with Mercedes about this - I know Lewis was pushing not to drag this out, but frankly the fans deserve a lot better, and need assurance that it's worth tuning in to the races, rather than just catching the last lap of the last race to see who Masi has decided is gonna win.
Are you an infant?
still the Fantasy league to be done yet, they have not updated as yet.
I will post later if they do.
If Lewis didn’t come out and act classy all hell would have broke loose. Being classy is literally the only thing he could have done to not look like a sore loser (which he wouldn’t have been if he did object).