Agreed.
To say the race was manipulated by the FIA is not saying Max did anything wrong in that race.
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To say the race was manipulated by the FIA is not saying Max did anything wrong in that race.
Ooooh
They might get more exposure for 12-24 months for leaving following the lack of integrity in the sport. So from a media/ marketing perspective leaving could work.
I don't think they'll leave though.
Oh, it's Charles.
Thought it was Prince Andrew for a minute. I wouldn't recommend kneeling in front of him.
Four of the five biggest car manufacturers by turnover don't participate in F1. They'd be more than fine.
That's more of a slight stoop than a kneel.
This was taken just before Max knocked him off the stool and stole his knighthood as well
They've been in F1 for a total of 14 of the last 72 years. They would be fine without it, and none of their rivals have any presence in the sport. Arguably there is greater crossover to the road car business from sportscar racing and prototypes, which is why Mercedes, Audi and BMW have all spent more time in those categories than they have F1 over the years.
F1 has always needed Ferrari, and now Mercedes, more than they need F1.
Mercedes have been involved and supplied engines for many more years than that.
If Mercedes thinks it's beneficial to them to leave F1 they'll do it in a heartbeat. Contracts? Pff. I'm sure they have clauses for it too, given their history.
I don't think they'll do it, but part of me wishes they and Ferrari pull the rug out under F1 should this sham be allowed to continue. Let Red Bull race Monster using TWR V8's or something.
I don't think they'll do it, but part of me wishes they and Ferrari pull the rug out under F1 should this sham be allowed to continue. Let Red Bull race Monster using TWR V8's or something.
I am sorry did someone claim mercedes will go bankrupt if they leave f1? Of course they will be fine. However they are certainly finer being in, than out.
Fine with you having this view overall but you can hardly say “certainly”.
Toto owns around 35% of the team, can’t see him pulling the plug, it would take a vast chunk of his 500 million net worth with it, also about car sales mercs had the best ever year in terms of car sale in 2016, people always like a winner.
Are you sure that the FIA or F1 orgainzation care why you watch though? Cause if they don't, and are fine with getting more viewers for the spectacle, then this...
...is wrong, and evereyone criticizing Masi is simply misunderstanding what he's being paid to do.
I guess we'll know better once we learn who will be next year's Race Director. If it's still Masi, then clearly it's spectacle over consistency.
Overall, I don't think it would help their brand if they quit F1 - and I certainly don't think a decision to quit would reverberate for quite that long.
I mean, it might not help them much either to be in F1 (as @hellhunter said above, some of the biggest car companies are doing fine without ever having been in F1), but I don't think they'll sell more cars or get significantly more fans in other racing classes if they'd quit now. I'd understand, though, if they feel F1 has become too much of a WWE-type spectacle and don't want to participate anymore.
Which is why I think calling Verstappen a cheater is not deserved. (Which you did do.) Even if you think he's done unfair things in previous races, it's not like he has been trying to hide it; whatever was allowed and should not have been is all on Masi and the stewards.
And how have other manufacturer car sakes fared? You can’t look at that in isolation. Not only that, car sakes have so many other variables than being in F1.
The point about Toto and Ineos is obviously true and they’ve both got far more interest in keeping Merc in the game. But there has also been plenty of articles about Toto convincing Merc to stay which implies they aren’t quite as sold on it.
No of course they don't. But on a personal note, I will enjoy the spectacle more by having different expectations of what I am seeing, I won't have a foul mood about dodgy decisions and I can personally ignore all discussions about GOAT drivers.
I still love a good literal car crash
But defo I won't watch as much as this season, putting time aside for quali on Sat and race on Sun every 2 weeks.
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https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/formula-1/hamilton-mercedes-fia-appeal-negatives-25694500
Is this section incorrect? Seems to be the only article saying it.
"And, in another blow to the team, the rules state that, if that challenge inside the FIA's Paris offices were to fail, there is no chance of being able to go to a higher authority for another appeal.
A challenge to CAS is forbidden, meaning proceedings in front of an entirely independent group of panellists is impossible."
Is this section incorrect? Seems to be the only article saying it.
"And, in another blow to the team, the rules state that, if that challenge inside the FIA's Paris offices were to fail, there is no chance of being able to go to a higher authority for another appeal.
A challenge to CAS is forbidden, meaning proceedings in front of an entirely independent group of panellists is impossible."
The financial commitment required to supply engines is nothing compared to running a team as they do now.
I fear for this thread when certain people realise the idea of a CAS appeal was always a non starter.
The point is, losing a big engine manufacturer who has been in the sport for decades would be a blow for F1. It would be second only to losing Ferrari imo.
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Exactly.I'd love it too. Sunglasses on all year round, "feck the FIA" t-shirt on, no interviews, just looking to drive Max off the track every opportunity.
I would defo tune in to watch that
Thanks. Love the analogy
So they're admitting they got it wrong.
The FIA have decided that the making up of a rule on the spot to manufacture drama and end a race disregarding the rules has generated outrage by fans, teams and drivers alike simply because it was all just misunderstood and they want everyone to meet to discuss how making up rules on the spot to add drama is perfectly fine because all this bickering is causing damage. I don’t think I’ve ever seen anything quite so tone deaf…
They’ve got to be confident that Mercedes have zero intention of going to CAS making a statement like that.
Was never going to happen
Where? They admit there’s been misunderstanding by teams, drivers and viewers and the controversy due to that misunderstanding is damaging. They’re trying to gaslight everyone into thinking the decision was fine it’s just everything else around it that’s the issue.
Which is what I've been saying the whole time.
They were never going to let it get to CAS. Mercedes were always going to be bought off.
Their response will be interestingly written no doubt, but the deal was done that night probably. Hence why Toto was celebrating like that
The “lets see what we can learn for 2022” overarching comment seems to be a clear heads up to Mercedes..
https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/f...-f1-abu-dhabi-safety-car-controversy/6885615/
https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/f...-f1-abu-dhabi-safety-car-controversy/6885615/
Lot's of words that basically says nothing from the FIA.
Misunderstanding by everyone else. Nothing else farce.
farce.Its very much, "all you lot are confused, so we'll have to explain".Misunderstanding by everyone else. Nothing else
Full statement available here: https://www.fia.com/news/statement-fia-world-motor-sport-council
I'm particularly taken with this bit:
It's a bit confusing. By "any" do they mean "all" or merely "those events chosen at the whim of the Race Director?"
I'm particularly taken with this bit:
FIA said:
It's a bit confusing. By "any" do they mean "all" or merely "those events chosen at the whim of the Race Director?"
“Look dimwits. You don’t understand F1 rules, we’ll issue a warning and let’s all move on to 2022 OK!!”
F1 is the new Sepp Blatter. Masi will want more women soon and in cutoff overalls with fur and bling on.
well played.