F1 2021 Season

Gringo said:
They have to get confirmation I guess that the track is clear of debris and stewards to let them pass
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Definitely. My honest opinion without any trolling is the best described in the video bellow.


Basically they botched it and should have taken decision earlier but presure of the last race and presure from Toto and Horner in a crucial moments created perfect storm. Because of that Masi reacted to slow and created controversy which never should be created.
But if the right decision would be called at the right time the final result would be the same. But on the other hand it was wrong decision even if they can justify it within the rule book and I can understand the frustration from Mercedes, Hamilton and fans, just not the ones who call it fixing, and that Max was given championship.

If Masi stays or leaves they definitely have to change to one line from race director to teams only and have to cut off FIA radio for the fans. This was second mistake in last 2 races which evolved from team boss calling race director on the radio.

And I think I am done with 2021 thread with this post.
 
hobbers said:
A quick google finds plenty of articles saying exactly the same things I have about their relative pace, from people who have actually bothered to look at the data.

https://racingnews365.com/mercedes-or-red-bull-which-team-have-had-the-best-car-in-2021

Are they all wumming as well? Would it hurt you to try to educate yourself a bit about a sport you seem heavily invested in, rather than play a fool all the time?
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So tedious. Can you change your privacy settings so I can put you and your wumming on ignore please?
 
The Hilton said:
So tedious. Can you change your privacy settings so I can put you and your wumming on ignore please?
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I'd tell you how to, but apparently giving you simple clear information is wumming, and I don't want to upset you. :lol:
 
Jerch said:
Basically they botched it and should have taken decision earlier but presure of the last race and presure from Toto and Horner in a crucial moments created perfect storm. Because of that Masi reacted to slow and created controversy which never should be created.
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If they botched it, then they botched it. You can't break the rules live on TV to unbotch it. That's even worse than botching it.

And I don't even think it was botched. It was unsafe to release the lapped cars any earlier than he did. The right outcome would be to end the race on the safety car. If that was bad TV, ok fine, he also had the option of 1 lap of racing without unlapping the cars, it would have created no controversy as per the rules. He also had the option to red flag and restart.

So many...options.
 
BD said:
Hamilton got screwed. There really is no alternative opinion cause that's not an opinion, it's a fact.

What might be debated is who between Verstappen or Hamilton deserved the title more, how bad of a feck up was it by the race director, etc. But Hamilton got screwed.
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I don’t really understand how it works besides whoever gets the most points wins.

last time I remember hearing about it Hamilton had points deducted and was more or less out of it? But granted that was from someone who also doesn’t understand it much.

What happened today? I’ve seen tweets and read but it might as well be a foreign language. We’re they driving behind safety drivers and then the message to drive fast and race wasn’t given to some racers including Hamilton or their was a delay?
 
Ferguson’s Hairdryer said:
I don’t really understand how it works besides whoever gets the most points wins.

last time I remember hearing about it Hamilton had points deducted and was more or less out of it? But granted that was from someone who also doesn’t understand it much.

What happened today? I’ve seen tweets and read but it might as well be a foreign language. We’re they driving behind safety drivers and then the message to drive fast and race wasn’t given to some racers including Hamilton or their was a delay?
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Verstappen had pitted for fresh tyres behind the safety car but Hamilton couldn't because he would have dropped behind Verstappen and there was no guarantee at that point of any more racing, so to do so would have handed the title to Verstappen. The race director then ignored the regulations because he didn't want the race to finish behind the safety car. He allowed only the lapped cars between Hamilton and Verstappen to un-lap themselves, which resulted in Verstappen sitting right behind Hamilton on far better tyres and leaving Hamilton effectively a sitting duck. If they'd stuck to the regulations, either all of the lapped cars would have been let through which would have taken more time and the race would have ended behind the safety car resulting in Hamilton winning, or they wouldn't have let any of the lapped cars through which would have meant 5 cars between Hamilton and Verstappen which would have given Hamilton at least some chance of holding Verstappen off. The issue is that the race director ignored the regulations and made a decision that has zero precedent in 70+ years of F1 which effectively handed the title to one of the drivers.
 
hobbers said:
I'd tell you how to, but apparently giving you simple clear information is wumming, and I don't want to upset you. :lol:
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Infantile WUM as always, fortunately I have the answer now, so I don't have to deal with your nonsense trolling anymore.

All the best at nursery!
 
Abizzz said:
Everyone saw what happened. Red Bull and Verstappen have their title, and they'll get to keep it, but it will remain a tainted title for the rest of your days Marko.
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Doubt if they will see it as 'tainted'. The mantra within RB has always been the 'we do whatever it takes to win' or the 'means justify the ends' approach.
So they may see that all that pressuring on Masi till Masi's brain broke as 'justifiable'.
 
The Hilton said:
Infantile WUM as always, fortunately I have the answer now, so I don't have to deal with your nonsense trolling anymore.

All the best at nursery!
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sglowrider said:
Doubt if they will see it as 'tainted'. The mantra within RB has always been the 'we do whatever it takes to win' or the 'means justify the ends' approach.
So they may see that all that pressuring on Masi till Masi's brain broke as 'justifiable'.
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To be honest I don't care too much. People working inside Red Bull are long gone anyway. I'm talking about how it will be remembered in motorsport folklore and RB and this generation of 1 season fans will have no bearing on that.
 
I think you mean “the ends justify the means”.
sglowrider said:
Doubt if they will see it as 'tainted'. The mantra within RB has always been the 'we do whatever it takes to win' or the 'means justify the ends' approach.
So they may see that all that pressuring on Masi till Masi's brain broke as 'justifiable'.
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Impulse said:
Verstappen had pitted for fresh tyres behind the safety car but Hamilton couldn't because he would have dropped behind Verstappen and there was no guarantee at that point of any more racing, so to do so would have handed the title to Verstappen. The race director then ignored the regulations because he didn't want the race to finish behind the safety car. He allowed only the lapped cars between Hamilton and Verstappen to un-lap themselves, which resulted in Verstappen sitting right behind Hamilton on far better tyres and leaving Hamilton effectively a sitting duck. If they'd stuck to the regulations, either all of the lapped cars would have been let through which would have taken more time and the race would have ended behind the safety car resulting in Hamilton winning, or they wouldn't have let any of the lapped cars through which would have meant 5 cars between Hamilton and Verstappen which would have given Hamilton at least some chance of holding Verstappen off. The issue is that the race director ignored the regulations and made a decision that has zero precedent in 70+ years of F1 which effectively handed the title to one of the drivers.
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Thanks for the explanation… I’ll probably never fully understand how badly Hamilton got screwed compared to those that follow F1 but even to me it does sound bad.
 
Ferguson’s Hairdryer said:
Thanks for the explanation… I’ll probably never fully understand how badly Hamilton got screwed compared to those that follow F1 but even to me it does sound bad.
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Imagine one team is winning 3-0, then in stoppage time the ref decides that whoever scores the next goal wins the match, then awards a penalty to the team losing.

That's more or less what happened to Mercedes.
 
Lewis doesn't need to do anything but lock himself up in a dark room for 7 days with "The Last Dance" on repeat, and take the resulting determination into training and the next season
 
C'mon Mercedes, say something.

I need to know if i will continue to set aside some good weekend time and watch the 2022 season in full or do other stuff on my sundays instead.

I'm a little gutted I can't ask for a refund of my time wasted this year. First year I've watched in full in ages and the FIA serve me up this shit
 
Surprised Lewis has been so calm in this situation. If i was him i'd be incensed.
 
spiriticon said:
This is the sort of thinking that has led to this disaster. It's a sport, not a soap opera. When football teams keep the ball at the corner flag with 5 minutes to go, it's not a spectacle either, but we understand because it's a competition.



The rules do allow for the unlapped cars to stay in place. It's all or nothing, not '5 cars only'
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First, it's not a "disaster". Second, it's supposed to be a spectacle (not at the expense of integrity of the event of course) else why does any professional sports even exist.

Masi said that all teams had earlier discussed and decided that they didn't want to end races under SC where it was possible to avoid it. It was possible to have a racing lap but Masi absolutely botched it by not letting the lapped cars unlap themselves one lap earlier. The feck up started there.

I agree that it should have been all cars a lap earlier. Same result but none of this outpour of emotion which we are seeing now. It actually broke some of the posters it seems :lol:
 
Bubz27 said:
If Hamilton had won yesterday, would he have been an undeserving champion?
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Yes. He would have been champion without being the best driver of the season. That is undeserved in my eyes.

He made too many mistakes in the first half of the season and lost too many points as a result.

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At the end of the day, the best driver won the title, and that is uncontested if you look at the driver ratings.

These driver ratings on a race-by-race basis include scores from six different websites:

AMUS.de
Autosport.com
The-Race.com
PlanetF1.com
Crash.net
F1i.com

Five English speaking, one German speaking, no Dutch speaking.

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Infordin said:
Yes. He would have been champion without being the best driver of the season. That is undeserved in my eyes.

He made too many mistakes in the first half of the season and lost too many points as a result.

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At the end of the day, the best driver won the title, and that is uncontested if you look at the driver ratings.

These driver ratings on a race-by-race basis include scores from six different websites:

AMUS.de
Autosport.com
The-Race.com
PlanetF1.com
Crash.net
F1i.com

Five English speaking, one German speaking, no Dutch speaking.

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If that's the case, United should not have won the 99 CL final. Bayern definitely was the better team. Or maybe United should have won the 2005 FA Cup Final when we were by far the better team and yet Arsenal won -- they should have protested?

How many competitions have been won by the underperforming teams/player? But none of them were given free hits to win.

Its just silly trying to rationalise Max's season-long performance into a cheated/tainted win.

Btw they both went into the final race on exactly the same points.
 
My guess is Red Bull lost plenty of followers who could have converted to fans and Mercedes will have the opposite happen, though formula 1 may lose a few casual fans. The interest in next season is likely to increase though isn't it actually? The season of revenge.

My view is that Verstappen was gifted the title and it can't possibly be a sweet victory.
 
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