And then fans of the team who got the penalty claim they deserve the penalty because they won the last few games.
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And then fans of the team who got the penalty claim they deserve the penalty because they won the last few games.
In hindsight if they wanted a race at the end it should have been red flagged to allow 4 or 5 laps of racing with both Hamilton and Verstappen on softs. That would have been more exciting than a fight between new softs and old hards, plus would have been best driver wins.
Either they unlap or they don't
Not enough u lap to give an unfair advantage
If I was merc I'd go nuclear and withdraw from next year... withdraw my engines and go 100% Into formula e and transfer Hamilton and Russel there
If the fia don't stick to the rules then feck contracts
Let max be the last f1 champion but blow f1 the fek up
I love eastenders for the same reason
Exactly what I was saying about racing in the states. Last lap and corner so frequently. Eventually its so boring because the previous 99% of the race was irrelevant.
God I can't wait to hear from Toto, I suspect he won't say anything as he will have calmed down.
Andrew Benson on BBC saying:
Article 39.12 of sporting regs says: "If clerk of the course considers it safe to do so, and the message "LAPPED CARS MAY NOW OVERTAKE" has been sent to all teams, any cars that have been lapped by leader will be required to pass the cars on the lead lap and the safety car."
In this case, only Norris, Alonso, Ocon, Leclerc and Vettel were allowed to overtake it - they were the cars between Hamilton and Verstappen. Ricciardo, Stroll and Schumacher were not.
In other words, the sporting regulations do not cover this specific situation.
Had Hamilton not lapped Ricciardo, Stroll etc? He must have done...
Article 39.12 of sporting regs says: "If clerk of the course considers it safe to do so, and the message "LAPPED CARS MAY NOW OVERTAKE" has been sent to all teams, any cars that have been lapped by leader will be required to pass the cars on the lead lap and the safety car."
In this case, only Norris, Alonso, Ocon, Leclerc and Vettel were allowed to overtake it - they were the cars between Hamilton and Verstappen. Ricciardo, Stroll and Schumacher were not.
In other words, the sporting regulations do not cover this specific situation.
Had Hamilton not lapped Ricciardo, Stroll etc? He must have done...
He looked furious at the end.Toto is MIA
that was a car/tyre issue. Shit happens. Spa was the deciding factor in the end.Massively disappointed
What's not to like is the rules being made up. It's basically like when Chelsea beat us to the title thanks to an offside goal, and someone saying "yeah but the season was great and it made for great drama so you should like it".
I was a big Hamilton fan when he was against Alonso and Rosberg and Vettel but I think if I'd read this thread during those eras I wouldn't have been.
BBC
Article 39.12 of sporting regs says: "If clerk of the course considers it safe to do so, and the message "LAPPED CARS MAY NOW OVERTAKE" has been sent to all teams, any cars that have been lapped by leader will be required to pass the cars on the lead lap and the safety car."
In this case, only Norris, Alonso, Ocon, Leclerc and Vettel were allowed to overtake it - they were the cars between Hamilton and Verstappen. Ricciardo, Stroll and Schumacher were not."
Article 39.12 of sporting regs says: "If clerk of the course considers it safe to do so, and the message "LAPPED CARS MAY NOW OVERTAKE" has been sent to all teams, any cars that have been lapped by leader will be required to pass the cars on the lead lap and the safety car."
In this case, only Norris, Alonso, Ocon, Leclerc and Vettel were allowed to overtake it - they were the cars between Hamilton and Verstappen. Ricciardo, Stroll and Schumacher were not."
Does winning unfairly not make a difference to what you deserve then?
I totally get what you mean, I'll repeat myself. IF Hamilton won fair and square, he deserves it. Same for Verstappen, yes? But it wasn't fair and square today?
Winning UNFAIRLY takes away some of the merit, for me.
Mercedes have made two protests.
That's not Max's fault though is it? He's just the driver and at the end of the day, he overtook Hamilton cleanly (never thought I'd say that).
Latifi & mick Schumacher battling wheel to wheel for 17th decided the championship
Now it goes to the courts.
Thanks Masi for ruining everything. Prick.
Thanks Masi for ruining everything. Prick.
Race standings say +1 Lap so he must have done
I didn't understand that either. He's contradicting his own argument.
Thanks
yep. that’s the ending the season deserved. what we got was a punch in the gut and then pissed on as we laid on the floor clutching our stomachs.
Versus the same champ for a decade?(hypetbole) . Sure.
Yeah they will. Good for the sport. No such thing as bad PR
There was an inconsistent call at the start. I doubt they overturn this. I’m not a huge F1 fan but yeah.
Sport or media depends on viewers. Long standing fans seemed like they needed more.
Agree. T20 cricket. Etc. It’s all headed to the “quick consumer”.
Someone on here said mick would be involved to stop Lewis beating his old mans record haha
Spa gained Max 5 points so no difference in the final championship standings
I think you overestimate the importance of this thread.
On a serious note though, how do they restore the integrity of the sport after this?
With the wave of new fans they getting because of this "entertainment" I'm not sure they want to. At least not enough to change anything that happened today.
New regs coming in next season though, that will be interesting.
Why do other fans influence who you support? I'm surprised you're a United fan then.
After he was robbed of 50 in Baku and Silverstone.
Some people pay a lot of money for that
I've not said it is Max's fault?
He took Hamilton cleanly because the rules weren't followed. The only reason.
I think we can agree that today's race was not fair, based on the fact rules were broken.
Just answer my question now.
Based on the fact rules were broken (not a bit of luck, not a bit of excellent driving) that absolutely favoured Max at the most crucial time of the season, does that take away any of the merit?
Perhaps... or maybe they should expect rules are enforced and if not use their full commercial power to react.. lawsuit withdrawing from next year abs taking engines away as well
Well a poster claimed earlier it wasn’t communicated to all teams so the rules weren’t broken.
I could guess the majority of F1 fans would have voted against VAR if this is their usual Sunday.
Now you're just being deliberately facetious so no real point debating.
Great great point by Rosberg that Mercedes were making their decisions based on the rules and so changing the rules is messed up in that way as well
2 big decisions by masi that has effected the championship
max not getting a tougher sanction for saudi
not following their own rule book just to make it a spectacle
max not getting a tougher sanction for saudi
not following their own rule book just to make it a spectacle
I don't. But I don't support an individual driver anyway. The best period of F1 for me was 2006-2010 when there was a different winner every season.
Mh, yeah, poor turn of phrase from me. It's just, Max was chasing Lewis, it was unlikely but you never know. To see that taken away, in a race like this, in a season like this, i dunno, it would have felt wrong somehow
Yep, 100%
Don't feed the troll, he's just on a wind up - basically hates Hamilton and any of his fans.
Regardless which driver won. I hate to see F1 turn into a farce. Its about the integrity of the sport. That's the sad thing.
If you like WWE you will like F1 under the rule of Masi.
It's still way down on what it was back in the 90s and early 2000s though.
I've watched every F1 race since '93, but the sport just doesn't occupy the same place in the public consciousness that it once did.