F1 2021 Season

Ayush_reddevil said:
At this point anyone who says stuff like both Max & Lewis have been dirty is just messing. It really is not even close between the two. Max continues to drive like someone who knows that both guys going out is not bad for him. Hamilton has actually been extra cautious knowing that a DNF basically finishes his title hopes. Yeah he might have overstepped the limit the odd time but it’s not at all close between the two.
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Agree.

I don't want to be Hamilton bias in any way but he's not done much wrong recently. Max has constantly overstepped, knowing exactly what you've pointed out.

Gotta say, credit to Lewis for keeping a calm head, I'd be so fed up with Max's antics by now
 
It's a dangerous track and Max is a dangerous driver, simple as that. I have no idea how in this ultra cautious safety era we get such a fast, narrow circuit with no run off. Must have been some big brown envelopes.

As for Max, he drives like he's in a video game. Horner clearly enables his behaviour but he seriously needs his wings clipping before he hurts somebody.
 
Uniquim said:


Here's the helicopter replay. Click here if the video above doesn't appear.
Makes it look like Lewis could've passed quite a lot earlier.

Lines up with what he said about not knowing what Max was doing.
Really feel like there wouldn't be a crash if Lewis had been notified of Max letting him through in time, then he'd just swung out to the side and passed him.
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Ok he doesn't know what max was doing. Why didn't he pass him then? Lewis had a total brainfart and caused a collision.
 
Uniquim said:


Here's the helicopter replay. Click here if the video above doesn't appear.
Makes it look like Lewis could've passed quite a lot earlier.

Lines up with what he said about not knowing what Max was doing.
Really feel like there wouldn't be a crash if Lewis had been notified of Max letting him through in time, then he'd just swung out to the side and passed him.
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There does seem to be a lot of space but that’s asking Lewis (without knowing what’s going on) to go off the racing line with a corner coming up, where he’d never go for the overtake. Max could’ve done a better job, I.e., move to the right and stay there. I don’t think there’ll be penalties though
 
ArjenIsM3 said:
Honestly Merc as a team are getting more and more unlikeable. I understand people not liking Horner, he whines a lot yeah, but Merc aren't much better.

Agree with this. Though I think the dirty stuff from Mercedes (both Bottas and Hamilton) should be looked at too.
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You really are something else
 
Such a nothing decision, a penalty without any actual penalty, bit of a cop out really.
 
WeePat said:
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Here's the document if anyone wants to see all of it:
https://www.fia.com/sites/default/files/decision-document/2021 Saudi Arabian Grand Prix - Offence - Car 33 - Causing a collision.pdf

This part bothers me:
"Whilst accepting that the driver of Car 44 could have overtaken Car 33 when that car
first slowed, we understand why he (and the driver of Car 33) did not wish to be the
first to cross the DRS."
(it also said neither car wanted to cross the line first a bit later on)

but Surely the DRS detection line shouldn't matter when it comes to letting a car go past.
 
BREAKING: Verstappen handed time penalty for Hamilton incident - but stays second
There we have it, the verdict is in from the stewards.
They have handed Max Verstappen a 10-second time penalty for that clash with Lewis Hamilton on Lap 37, although he stays second as he was 16 seconds ahead of third-placed Valtteri Bottas at that time.
He is also given two penalty points on his license.
 
sewey89 said:
There does seem to be a lot of space but that’s asking Lewis (without knowing what’s going on) to go off the racing line with a corner coming up, where he’d never go for the overtake. Max could’ve done a better job, I.e., move to the right and stay there. I don’t think there’ll be penalties though
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He does move to the right early but then he comes back to the centre and then goes to the right again…all the while changing his speed. If he has broke on the racing line to ensure Lewis passes before DRS with Lewis behind him after the changes in direction I seriously think he’s in trouble. I don’t understand the telemetry data though!

Edit - 10 second penalty which makes zero difference. All on Abu Dhabi then!
 
hp88 said:
That's expected, let's give him a penalty which has zero impact on the outcome.
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It's basically free reign to break the rules again.

I wouldn't be at all surprised if Max doesn't attempt to take Lewis out next weekend, he just doesn't seem to have to follow the same rulebook everyone else does.
 
Good for actual F1 fans to get the result we all wanted.

A title decider where the best wins.
 
People give up positions multiple times every race but I have never seen anyone do it like Max did it today. Just go to the side and let him have it
 
Evans999 said:
Lewis and max and as good as each other and as bad as each other.

To be a world champion you have to be a bit of a dick. They've both played dirty throughout this season.

Just enjoy the battle, it's been a while since we've had this.
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Lewis is smart enough to back out when required, it's something he has learnt over the years, even when he was scrapping with Vettel and Rosberg it was never this bad.

Max on the other hand just fails to yield, you would hope he will learn but there's no one around him to guide him or put him straight.
 
Ayush_reddevil said:
People give up positions multiple times every race but I have never seen anyone do it like Max did it today. Just go to the side and let him have it
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It's bizarre. He's a man child. On the first restart why can't he let Lewis take the corner, he's banged to rights. But no, he has to come back onto the racing line impeding him, that's the biggest example of spoiled and entitled racing you will see. Every other driver on the grid would slip back in behind Lewis rejoining the track or atleast side by side.
 
hobbers said:
Good for actual F1 fans to get the result we all wanted.

A title decider where the best wins.
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Unless they crash, and Max wins the championship due to winning a 2-lap race in Spa. :nervous:
I really, really hope they don't both crash out in the last race. I want them to race for it.


Ayush_reddevil said:
People give up positions multiple times every race but I have never seen anyone do it like Max did it today. Just go to the side and let him have it
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Well, Max slowed down quite a lot earlier to let Lewis past, but he didn't overtake.


Here's the summary in the FIA document:
"At turn 21 the driver of car 33 was given the instruction to give back a position to car 44 and was told by the team to do so “strategically”.
Car 33 slowed significantly at turn 26. However, it was obvious that neither driver wanted to take the lead prior to DRS detection line 3.
The driver of Car 33 stated that he was wondering why Car 44 had not overtaken and the driver of Car 44 stated that, not having been aware at that stage that Car 33 was giving the position back, was unaware of the reason Car 33 was slowing.

In deciding to penalise the driver of Car 33, the key point for the Stewards was that the driver of Car 33 then braked suddenly (69 bar) and significantly, resulting in 2.4g deceleration

Whilst accepting that the driver of Car 44 could have overtaken Car 33 when that car first slowed, we understand why he (and the driver of Car 33) did not wish to be the first to cross the DRS."
 
BeforeKeanetherewasRobson said:
BREAKING: Verstappen handed time penalty for Hamilton incident - but stays second
There we have it, the verdict is in from the stewards.
They have handed Max Verstappen a 10-second time penalty for that clash with Lewis Hamilton on Lap 37, although he stays second as he was 16 seconds ahead of third-placed Valtteri Bottas at that time.
He is also given two penalty points on his license.
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On top of the 5? So 15 total? That's awfully close!
 
The FIA really need to look at

1) teams making changes to cars under a red flag.

2) giving back places in a DRS zone. If you're giving a place back you really shouldn't be entitled to DRS, surely?
 
I feel Bottas drives clean but Perez is no saint. I would worry if I was Hamilton.
 
RepardReece said:
I think for the most part the collision was caused by confusion as Lewis had no idea what Max was slowing for. Had Lewis known, I think it would've been a different story. But that being said, Max definitely is to blame for it based on exactly what you've pointed out. It's erratic driving. IMO he should get some form of punishment.

Also, Lewis ran max wide? Are you talking about lap 15 after the restart? It was his corner by a mile.
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I forget the lap number. He received a black and white flag for it.
 
blythy said:
The FIA really need to look at

1) teams making changes to cars under a red flag.

2) giving back places in a DRS zone. If you're giving a place back you really shouldn't be entitled to DRS, surely?
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Agreed on both. I thought giving positions and then immediately retaking was handled years ago but I guess not.
 
Gringo said:
We're bickering over the wrong thing here, whether he braked, left enough space yada yada yada. That's on the race director for not making the situation clear. How can only one driver be informed!? Crazy crazy crazy. Masi really showing he's not up to the task.
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Masi is terrible.
 
You can get 2/1 with SkyBet on max winning the title, if that interests anybody
 
hobbers said:
Yeah hopefully, it's great and poetic that an entire season's worth of action boils down to who can finish ahead of the other on the last race.

After how many years of the last 2-5 races (2016 aside) just being pointless processions to see which best of the rest team can finish 3rd or 4th.
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Yeah, that'd be the best end to it, regardless of who wins.
Really hope the regulation changes for next season doesn't disrupt the competitiveness we have this year. It's been so much fun throughout.
Makes such a huge difference when there's an actual fight for the title.

senorgregster said:
I forget the lap number. He received a black and white flag for it.
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Michael Masi told Mercedes it was borderline black and white for 'unsportsmanlike behaviour' I think he said.
Basically warning them, but he didn't actually receive the black and white flag.
 
11101 said:
It's a dangerous track and Max is a dangerous driver, simple as that. I have no idea how in this ultra cautious safety era we get such a fast, narrow circuit with no run off. Must have been some big brown envelopes.

As for Max, he drives like he's in a video game. Horner clearly enables his behaviour but he seriously needs his wings clipping before he hurts somebody.
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I was also thinking this. Big brown envelopes to sign this off.

Just like the half points race that wasn't a race. The ruling bodies in F1 have crumbled.
 
So the stewards have confirmed a brake test and the result for that is only a 10 second penalty? Doesn’t that mean if you’re leading a rival in a race but you’ll lose a championship you can brake test then and hope they lose a wing and you’re OK? For example in 2016 Lewis is leading Rosberg but he needs Rosberg further back. Well, Brake test him, accept your 10 second and you might put him out of the race.
 
The Hilton said:
It's basically free reign to break the rules again.

I wouldn't be at all surprised if Max doesn't attempt to take Lewis out next weekend, he just doesn't seem to have to follow the same rulebook everyone else does.
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Yep.

People talk about this being a great F1 rivalry and racing etc. But if one driver isn't following the rules and isn't being punished, then it's not really proper racing is it.
 
Looks like the stewards have dealt with all the business from the race now. They've issued the final race classifications, with 5+10 second time penalties for Verstappen, finishing 21.8 seconds behind Hamilton, and a 5-second penalty for Tsunoda.

Also, issued the updated championship points classification, with Mazepin still managing to place 21st in a 20-driver championship.
 
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